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.." Do you mean to limit the focus to

positive aspirations and experiences, or are negative aspirations and

experiences worthy of discussion as well?

What is positive what is negative? the universal spirit of divine

bliss is in control... Everyone is absolutely perfect in the moment

that they are in... Designs of resolution. Lyn

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Dear Harsha,

 

This is not true. I've been pretty depressed these past two weeks -

even to the point of suicidal ideation. I don't know when Michael is or

is not feeling joy, but I doubt very much that my mood exactly mirrors

his. (I certainly do wish for him and for all of you to feel joy, and

when you communicate joy to me, I am empathetic about it, so by all

means, please express joy - it lifts my spirits.) You mention that

"a focuses on the aspirations and experiences of

individuals on the spiritual path." Do you mean to limit the focus to

positive aspirations and experiences, or are negative aspirations and

experiences worthy of discussion as well?

 

In comradeship on the spiritual journey,

Mark

ps I don't mean by my post to imply any judgement of you or any other

member of the list, or to imply any consistency of attitude on my part.

I'm just inquiring into the implications of your communiques about the

purpose of the list for posts which focus on negative experiences, or

use negative language, or generate negative experiences.

 

Everyone is doing just fine Michael.

 

When you are in joy, all are in joy.

 

You remind me of that guy who went around saying to

everyone,

 

"I am blissful! Are you blissful?" :-).

 

Harsha

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Mark Otter wrote:

> Dear Harsha,

>

This is not true. I've been pretty depressed these past two weeks -

even to the point of suicidal ideation. I don't know when Michael

is or is not feeling joy, but I doubt very much that my mood exactly

mirrors his. (I certainly do wish for him and for all of you to feel

joy, and when you communicate joy to me, I am empathetic about it, so

by all means, please express joy - it lifts my spirits.) You mention

that "a focuses on the aspirations and experiences of

individuals on the spiritual path." Do you mean to limit the focus

to positive aspirations and experiences, or are negative aspirations

and experiences worthy of discussion as well?

>

 

Sorry to hear you are feeling pretty! Depressing isn't it? Yah!

Well - guess what - we (illusory beings) get/have to feel experience

it all. Ah, but you know that already!

 

HAHAHAH and HOHOHO1

 

Peace - not laughing at you or with you, just laughing - Michael

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Mark, I want to thank you for bringing THIS 'sense' of reality to the

Satsangh as well...

 

Yes, there is suffering behind the things we read here...

Have gone through plenty myself...

My pain is gone but denial did not get me there...

 

I faced my suffering head on some years ago, could not afford it anymore,

was willing to "let the chips fall where they may..." You know they did not

fall too badly... in retrospect that is. But boy did they come down like an

avalanche at first... and the tears, the weeping, day after day... I thought

I went crazy... and I let it me...

Through those crazed dark clouds during the long day-time hours and the

crazed nightmares during the long night-time hours the (at first) blinding

light of reality started to break through...

That is what reality tends to do...

But you know, one does not know reality before it hits... It blasts on you

at first, you don't want it, then it heats you through, relentlessly until

you welcome it, then it warms you as the illusive ice castle of aloneness

dissolves around you.

 

There are only a few humans who have not played with the ideation of

suicide, there are only a few humans without addictive tendencies... This is

apparently not a satsangh for those few or for those that pretend to be of

those few, this is a satsangh for of all of us....

 

And it is spring cleaning now

Open all the closets

Let the skeletons walk away

 

Ha, they can't, those muscle-less creatures! Pick up the pieces and bury

them bones...

Skeletons are dead, they ought to remain dead. But skeletons cannot bury or

cremate themselves you have to do it...

And it is OK to show the skeletons before you dig their grave... light their

fire

 

When you to do it in the dark of night you are automatically suspect...

 

Love, Wim

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Hi Mark,

>.... I've been pretty depressed these past two weeks -

>even to the point of suicidal ideation.

 

I'm sorry to hear it. I know a period of rapid change is often very

difficult. Something new coming, something old dying... it isn't easy.

Sometimes everything seems to be in turmoil.

 

That's when you especially need your friends, your sangha... you can tell

us what most others might not understand. :)

 

In a sense, these feelings are not just negative... they're part and

parcel of this period of growth. Gotta get through this valley, even if

there are some thorns and thistles, to get to the other side.

 

If you can focus in on something that makes you feel depressed, can you see

it as a block... and clear it? One way is to give it to God/dess... just

say that you don't want it any more and give it away, give it to God/dess.

(Or whatever name/term/concept works for you.)

 

Love,

Dharma

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