Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Thank you for your kindness. I was in a black mood when I posted earlier, but I'm feeling better now. I do think it is worth looking closely at whether or not the choices I've made were good ones, but I also think I should stop beating myself up over them. Mark.........My beloved reminds me daily...... All is as it should be...... Perhaps this will help... there has been a string of conversation on the K-list about responsibility.... These are words echoed in my head by my beloved to me on my responsibilty to myself.... Being Responsible is an idea of placing blame on someone. do you blame someone else or yourself for the things that have happened in your life? To be responsible implies judgement and blame. Supporting responsibility to yourself is an implication of acknowledging you are to blame for an incident. Where there is NO blame, only experiences. All are experiencing life, whether it is someone who seeks to control, or the person being controlled. No One is responsible for this situation. IT JUST IS. Responsibility is an illusion. Just as all human responses to situations are illusions. Only acceptance is needed, not responsibility. Accept all as being illusion, then realize that nothing has happened but illusion, and step past it. Not claiming responsibility, not placing responsibility, not demanding responsibility.. Just accept all events as the path you are on towards truth....... Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Why do you want to see it this way? I know that I grow with every decision I make. I don't tell other people what to do because I don't want to deprive them of the opportunity to make their own decisions and grow. Dharma, The beloved provides the words that are needed to hear... These words I shared are not opinions, or views... They are the truth of existence as spoken to me today.... I am response - able for myself... and yet All that happens is in the hands of the spirit of innocence... Nothing is coincidence.... To share a bit of this recent struggle... you would have to understand, that I believe I chose this life before I was born... So I chose to be raped at 6 yrs old. Do I place responsibility on someone for this? to do so is to place judgement on him... Do I place responsiblity on myself for this? No. to do so is to place judgement on myself... My life is as I planned it, and is as I make it, and will be created as I create it in the future... And yet, All is as it should be.... Lynette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Hi Michael from Germany and Lynette, and everyone else who may be concerned about Mark losing his tiny but serviceable mind, Wishing you well, Mike from Germany Just that if you feel it is wrong for you, then feel good that you have made the change. Thank you for your kindness. I was in a black mood when I posted earlier, but I'm feeling better now. I do think it is worth looking closely at whether or not the choices I've made were good ones, but I also think I should stop beating myself up over them. I am done with research, at least for awhile, and certainly biomedical research for this lifetime. I wish those continuing and those starting in that field the best of luck and love. It's no longer an activity I can participate in, but I think it is done primarily by well intentioned people and that it has done considerable good. For me, the price is just too high and the outcome too uncertain. So, buddies, can youse paradigm? Love, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Hi Mark, On my drive home, the radio was playing, "What a Wonderful World." I thought about you because it was the song that you played when we ended the retreat at the Providence Zen Center. I thought about the Donut hug technique you taught the group. Thanks for all that. You are right about Greg. He is wonderful. Words can say only so much. Now to the practical issues. Have you thought about going to see an employment counselor? Also, a lot of small schools have teaching positions where you can just teach and not worry about doing research on animals. Have you thought about that? Maybe the list can brainstorm and come with ideas about employment opportunities for you. What do you think? Love Harsha Mark W. Otter [mark.otter] Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:58 PM harsha re sharing Hi Michael from Germany and Lynette, and everyone else who may be concerned about Mark losing his tiny but serviceable mind, Wishing you well, Mike from Germany Just that if you feel it is wrong for you, then feel good that you have made the change. Thank you for your kindness. I was in a black mood when I posted earlier, but I'm feeling better now. I do think it is worth looking closely at whether or not the choices I've made were good ones, but I also think I should stop beating myself up over them. I am done with research, at least for awhile, and certainly biomedical research for this lifetime. I wish those continuing and those starting in that field the best of luck and love. It's no longer an activity I can participate in, but I think it is done primarily by well intentioned people and that it has done considerable good. For me, the price is just too high and the outcome too uncertain. So, buddies, can youse paradigm? Love, Mark /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 Hi Lynette, >These are words echoed in my head by my beloved to me on my responsibilty >to myself.... I see this a little differently... not that I want to disagree with your beloved... it's a different view. >Being Responsible is an idea of placing blame on someone. do you blame >someone else or yourself for the things that have happened in your life? > >To be responsible implies judgement and blame. Supporting responsibility >to yourself is an implication of acknowledging you are to blame for an >incident. "Blame" is a loaded word... it has a negative connotation... implying that someone or something is bad. "Responsibility" can be a positive word... that's how I see it. Propaganda... if you're writing a newspaper story, it makes a huge difference whether you say, "He blamed himself for the incident." "He took the blame for the incident." "He accepted responsibility for the incident." Let's shorten it, and look again: "He blamed himself." "He took the blame." "He accepted the responsibility." >Where there is NO blame, only experiences. All are experiencing life, >whether it is someone who seeks to control, or the person being >controlled. No One is responsible for this situation. IT JUST IS. Why do you want to see it this way? I know that I grow with every decision I make. I don't tell other people what to do because I don't want to deprive them of the opportunity to make their own decisions and grow. I accept responsibility for everything I do and have done. I'm glad to know that I decided before this birth what this life would be about and at least much of what would happen. So I don't want to put the responsibility for something that happened on someone else. He/she can have his share of responsibility for what he did, but I am responsible for my reaction. >Responsibility is an illusion. Just as all human responses to situations >are illusions. Only in the sense that all situations are illusions... and all of this life and this world is illusion. But while we're here in incarnation, it's pretty damn real! As it should be... that's why this is the setting in which we can make our decisions and take responsibility and grow. >Only acceptance is needed, not responsibility. Accept all as being >illusion, then realize that nothing has happened but illusion, and step >past it. This may be helpful in the process of understanding a situation and making a decision. But whether responsibility exists depends on your viewpoint, what plane you're looking at it from. On the battlefield of Kurukshetra, it was important for Arjuna to understand that he couldn't really kill anyone in the sense of ending them forever... he couldn't kill those soul/spirits out there on the plain... only their bodies. But if he had been called to court in a war crimes trial... if he were asked, "Did you kill anyone on that battlefield?" The answer would have to be Yes. >Not claiming responsibility, not placing responsibility, not demanding >responsibility.. Well, when I go to a doctor, or a dentist, or a cop, or a teacher, I certainly hope that these people feel a sense of responsibility for their actions. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 Hi Lynette, > Dharma, The beloved provides the words that are needed to hear... These >words I shared are not opinions, or views... They are the truth of >existence as spoken to me today.... As I said, >>I see this a little differently... not that I want to disagree with your >>beloved... it's a different view. I didn't mean to imply that what your beloved said is only one view among many, or merely an opinion. What I meant is one may view the truth from different viewpoints, different vantage points, different planes. The same truth works out differently as seen from another plane of experience. >I am response - able for myself... and yet All that happens is in the >hands of the spirit of innocence... Nothing is coincidence.... To share >a bit of this recent struggle... you would have to understand, that I >believe I chose this life before I was born... So I chose to be raped at 6 >yrs old. Do I place responsibility on someone for this? to do so is to >place judgement on him... Do I place responsiblity on myself for this? >No. to do so is to place judgement on myself... My life is as I planned >it, and is as I make it, and will be created as I create it in the >future... And yet, All is as it should be.... I understand what you are saying. But to put it another way, the man who raped my daughter and others is in prison for the rest of his life. Should she have asked the jury to free him? Should she have told them that he was not responsible for his actions because she had chosen that before her birth? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 I understand what you are saying. But to put it another way, the man who raped my daughter and others is in prison for the rest of his life. Should she have asked the jury to free him? Should she have told them that he was not responsible for his actions because she had chosen that before her birth? He also chose his life... He chose to commit a crime, and chose to pay the dues... All is as it should be... His life will emerge where he created it. Lynette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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