Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 Thanks, Michael... that explains a lot. <sigh> gill (just kidding!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 , "Gill Collingwood" <gill@n...> wrote: > Thanks, Michael... that explains a lot. <sigh> > gill > (just kidding!) Enlightenment is not a question about self blame and who deserves what or personal effort. A sense of longing pervades even the most negative expressions of moodiness and acting out (maybe with the exception of Mr. Read, who now knows everything), but longing and cultivation of such isn't fashionable in modern society, so most ppl stop just short at the sensation and never venture into it or its results. There is value in the human struggle and when the experience comes to a right moment, the perspective will shift by itself. No kind of blathering, blaming, sex magicking or preaching will do the trick. I say longing is underrated. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 mumblecat wrote: > > , "Gill Collingwood" <gill@n...> wrote: > > > Thanks, Michael... that explains a lot. <sigh> > > gill > > (just kidding!) > > > Enlightenment is not a question about self blame and who deserves > what or personal effort. Agreed! > > A sense of longing pervades even the most negative expressions of > moodiness and acting out (maybe with the exception of Mr. Read, who > now knows everything), but longing and cultivation of such isn't > fashionable in modern society, so most ppl stop just short at the > sensation and never venture into it or its results. > I know nothing! Nothing! Well, except for one thing: life is so good it is beyond concepts like good. > There is value in the human struggle and when the experience comes to a right moment, the perspective will shift by itself. No kind of > blathering, blaming, sex magicking or preaching will do the trick. I > say longing is underrated. > > > Love, > > Amanda. I totally agree with everything you say Amanda and at the same time totally disagree with everything you say Amanda. Yah, the other day it may have seemed that there was somebody on a tirade about all this realization/awakening/enlightenment stuff. Now, if anyone was upset about it or had a 'strong' reaction to those words, why? Just look at it. Christ on a crutch! I have suffered as deeply and as sincerely as anyone else. This one was raped, beaten, spat upon, starved, neglected, cursed (by my own mom), and lots of other mean nasty and ugly shit happened. Also, a lot of beautiful wonderful and amazingly incredible stuff happed to 'me'. When IT happened (oh, god how i longed for it) - but nope! Ain't agoin' to tell you what happened. Suffer and whine and cry all you (no - this is not a response to 'Amanda') need to. Grace is simply the universes way of saying, "Oh hush now you big baby! It's ok! I really do love and have everything under control." Well, kiddies, life is good (even when it sucks). No you, No me, No understanding, No end of understanding. Smiling quietly (some call me a smug smart ass)! HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - surrender all concepts - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 , "Michael Read" <maread@i...> wrote: > Christ on a crutch! I have suffered as deeply and as sincerely as > anyone else. This one was raped, beaten, spat upon, starved, > neglected, cursed (by my own mom), and lots of other mean nasty and > ugly shit happened. Oh yeah, I forgot those things were part of your story. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Amanda, did you intend to sound dismissive? Because that's how it reads to me... and it's not like you. gill Michael Read: > > Christ on a crutch! I have suffered as deeply and as sincerely as > > anyone else. This one was raped, beaten, spat upon, starved, > > neglected, cursed (by my own mom), and lots of other mean nasty and > > ugly shit happened. Amanda: > Oh yeah, I forgot those things were part of your story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 "Gill Collingwood" wrote: > Amanda, did you intend to sound dismissive? > Because that's how it reads to me... and it's not like you. > gill > No problems, Gill. > Michael Read: Christ on a crutch! I have suffered as deeply and as sincerely as anyone else. This one was raped, beaten, spat upon, starved, neglected, cursed (by my own mom), and lots of other mean nasty and ugly shit happened. > > Amanda: > > Oh yeah, I forgot those things were part of your story. The thing is - it's just story. Just drama. One life's tale told out of billions of possible stories being played upon the screen of the universe. >From similar sets of circumstances one character turns to the universe with a burning desire to know why. Another character turns into a serial killer. Who or what is playing the roles of these characters? Find out! Develope an attitude of openmindedness and willingness and honesty. It is not just the facination with material riches that keep us deluded. What is more precious to us than gold, more binding than chains? What has caused more human suffering than anything else? Find out! And if you find where your true riches are, become willing to let them go. There is truly a peace that passes all understanding. Loveya - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 On 9 Apr 01, at 15:03, Michael Read wrote: > No problems, Gill. Thanks, Michael... I realised after I sent it that that was as much about *my* buttons being pushed as it was about anything else... gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 "Gill Collingwood" wrote: > On 9 Apr 01, at 15:03, Michael Read wrote: > > > No problems, Gill. > > Thanks, Michael... I realised after I sent it that that was as much > about *my* buttons being pushed as it was about anything else... > gill Yesterday I got to meet a kind of person that I had only seen remotely. This person was full of life. Full of curiosity. This person was totally natural. Natural and comfortable in her own skin. A person without concepts or beliefs. She had bright intelligent eyes and an open mind. I met this person in the parking lot of a nearby store. As I took the shopping cart to the cart rack she called out to me from the window of a car. As I passed by on the way back to my car she held out her hand and softly called to me again. I stopped and said hello. I asked the man in the car with her if it was ok and he replied that it was up to her. I held out my hand and she gently touched the back of it with her lips. Then she sat back and regared me with most honest open expression one would ever hope to see. This person was a young chimpanzee! How beautiful she was! Ah well, probably shouldn't have told this story. ;-) Some may go off with posts about animal nature versus human nature. (it's just nature) Some may think that it was just the way I chose to see it. (i'll agree with them cause i know everything) Some may think the story pointless and without merit. (no doubt about that! it was/is) Some may think that I am comparing people to monkeys. (oh, it's much worse than that! :-)) No you. No me. No god in heaven. Joy abounds! HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Ah well, probably shouldn't have told this story. ;-)>> Dear Michael, I am awfully glad you did. The only thing you get from me is a smile. ) love, beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Hello, I will try that with women : act like a chimpanzee... : HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Thanks Michael, this is an idea ;-))) ! And then propose my hand in an honest, green, fresh and naïve way ;-))) ! Greetings from France, Froggy Jacques (chimpanzee sophomore) Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/kundalini.html http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/ http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowGallery.cfm?AcctID=797 Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 , "Gill Collingwood" <gill@n...> wrote: > Amanda, did you intend to sound dismissive? > Because that's how it reads to me... and it's not like you. > gill Nah, I'm just being my usual dismissive self. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 >> Gill: >> Amanda, did you intend to sound dismissive? >> Because that's how it reads to me... and it's not like you. >> gill > > Amanda: >Nah, I'm just being my usual dismissive self. Amanda, you kill me! )) It's so good to be back and read your posts again. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: > Amanda, you kill me! )) It's so good to be back and read your >posts again. Hey Dharma ! How are you ? Doing well in LA together with Matt I hope. Never mind me, I have been a bit short tempered of late. I blame the Aries sun and Scorpio moon, heh heh heh. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Maybe that's my problem, with my Scorpio sun and Aries moon, heh heh heh. explain? Love, Lynette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Hi Amanda, >Hey Dharma ! > >How are you ? Pretty good. ) Just doing a lot of clearing old junk and rearranging things in my new apartment, as well as a new list site for my students, as well as my bodies. )) >Doing well in LA together with Matt I hope. I'm near Matt but in a separate apartment... I'm actually in Mar Vista, near enough to the ocean to get a whiff of that sea air... and go down to the beach any time. >Never mind me, I have been a bit short tempered of late. I blame the >Aries sun and Scorpio moon, heh heh heh. Maybe that's my problem, with my Scorpio sun and Aries moon, heh heh heh. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Hi Lynette, >>Maybe that's my problem, with my Scorpio sun and Aries moon, heh heh heh. > > explain? Just joking about "my problem." )) If you're asking about the astrology, when we say Amanda's an Aries or I'm a Scorpio, that just means what sign the Sun was in when we were born. A horoscope shows much more than that... it's a map of the solar system, sometimes showing stars too, at the time of birth and the place of birth (longitude and latitude). So instead of just saying I'm a Scorpio, it gives a fuller picture if I say that my Moon is in Aries. It shows even more if I say that my Ascendant (what was rising in the East when I was born) is Virgo, and I have Mars and Neptune conjunct (together) in the 1st house (Virgo). There's more, but that's probably already more than you wanted to know. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 So instead of just saying I'm a Scorpio, it gives a fuller picture if I say that my Moon is in Aries. It shows even more if I say that my Ascendant (what was rising in the East when I was born) is Virgo, and I have Mars and Neptune conjunct (together) in the 1st house (Virgo). There's more, but that's probably already more than you wanted to know. LOL... ok.... You know we do choose what sign we are born under... =) I am also scorpio btw... Lynette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Hi Lynette, > LOL... ok.... You know we do choose what sign we are born under... =) I >am also scorpio btw... Rah, rah! Let's hear it for Scorpios!! Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Hi Lynette, > LOL... ok.... You know we do choose what sign we are born under... =) I >am also scorpio btw... Rah, rah! Let's hear it for Scorpios!! Dharma ********** Is it any wonder with the title of this thread? Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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