Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 dear father pat: this is as close as anything i have ever read or heard of what is like when i write a poem to the beloved....my gangaji were discussing this very subject today in private....are the words following through white wolfe the words or mirror or of white wolfe....where does the teacher end and the student begin....can anyone discern the fine line between the lover and the beloved.....even the attempt to seek this line out intentionally in philoshophical dialogue only further blurred the line between mark and mira, mira and mark....mysticism experience is the marriage of the sacred and the profane....of higher love and transient love....it is where two dissolve into a new one....a new beginning of love blossoming again and again endlessly into higher and higher love.....^^~~~~~~ further up and futher in, white wolfe - Patrick Collins thomasmerton Cc: billcreed (AT) aol (DOT) com ; frdoug (AT) sabre-net (DOT) org ; JWDIIIKMD (AT) aol (DOT) com Friday, April 13, 2001 1:30 PM [thomasmerton] Merton/Lent 19 Dear Merton Group, A Blessed Good Friday to you all. As Lent began for me in Hawaii, I chose a discipline of 3 postings perweek from "Thomas Merton Uncensored." With this one I conclude that discipline and hope that you have found interest and inspiration in them. Here Merton's sense of mystical experience rings true in some way with the Risen One. What do you think? A Blessed East to you all, Patrick Collins, Group Moderator The relationship between the natural and the supernatural in the realmof mystical experience has long been a matter of discussion inphilosophical and theological circles. What do humans do on their ownand/or what do they do aided by grace beyond the natural? Thomas Merton wrote rather extensively about this question in 1958 to the philosopher,Aldous Huxley, whose book Ends and Means had been instrumental inMerton’s coming into the Catholic Church in 1938. “Ought we not to distinguish between an experience which is essentially aesthetic and natural from an experience which is mystical and supernatural. I would call aesthetic and natural an experience which would be an intuitive ‘tasting’ of the inner spirituality of our own being - or an intuition of being as such, arrived at through an intuitive awarenes of our own inmost reality. This would be anexperience of ‘oneness’ within oneself and with all beings, a flash of awareness of the transcendent Reality that is within all that is real.This sort of thing ‘happens’ to one in all sorts of ways and I see no reason why it should not be occasioned by the use of a drug. This intuition is very like the aesthetic intuitiion that precedes the creation of a work of art. It is like the intuituion of a philosopher who rises above his concepts and their synthesis to see everything in one glance, in all its length, height, breath and depth. It is like the intuition of a person who has participated deeply in a liturgical act. (I think you take too cavalier an attitude toward liturgy, although I confess that I am irked by liturgical enthusiasts when they want to regiment others into their way of thinking.) “By the way, though I call this experience ‘natural,’ that does not preclude its being produced by the action of God’s grace (a term thatmust be used with care). But I mean that it is not in its mode or in its content beyond the capacities of human nature itself. Please forgive me for glibly using this distinction between natural and supernatural as if I were quite sure where the dividing line came. Of course I am not. “What would I call a supernatural and mystical experience, then? I speak very hesitantly, and do not claim to be an authority. What I say may be very misleading. It may be the product of subjective and sentimental illusion or it may be the product of a rationalizationsuperimposed on the experience described above. Anyway, here goes. “It seems to me that a fully mystical experience has in its very essence some note of a direct spiritual contact of two liberties, a kind of a flash or spark which ignites an intuition of all that has been said above, plus something much more which I can only describe as‘personal,’ in which God is known not as an ‘object’ or as ‘Him up there’ or ‘Him in everything’ nor as a ‘the All’ but as - the biblical expression - I AM, or simply AM. But what I mean is that this is not the kind of intuition that smacks of anything procurable because it is a presence of a Person and depends on the liberty of that Person. And lacking the element of a free gift, a free act of love on the part of Him Who comes, the experience would lose its specifically mystical quality.” (Huxley, Aldous 11.27.58 HGL 437) Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Mail. "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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