Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hi all, CFS happens to people who have sacrificed their life to others to the detriment of themselves. The body finally answers and gives the person no chance but taking care of themselves... Which of course is very hard... I find that people with the syndrome are often very clear minded about it. Fibromyalgia (FM) which has different symptoms stems from the same. OK, these are blanket statements. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hi Greg, How are you? CFS is Chronic Fatigue Symdrome. It is called M.E. in Canada and the UK, and I can't remember what M.E. stands for. Threre was what seemed like a surprising number of people on the kundalini list who had both active kundalini and CFS. In fact, our Dharma started a list for a while specifically for those of us who had both active kundalini and CFS. For many of us, the onset of kundalini symptoms increased the severity and frequency of CFS symptoms. Some of the symptoms of each are hard to tell apart. For me CFS is almost completely gone, but there are still occasional symptom bouts. The aspects of these that are hard to tell from some K symptoms for me involve very intense spine and nerve pain which make standing or moving about very difficult. Then a few hours or a day later I can go run four miles or be completely active in my work with no pain or symptoms at all. But earlier on in the disease process, especially right after the onset of k, that kind of pain pervaded my daily experience. What is the relationship? I have been trying to figure this out for years, daily listening to the body, carefully studying the results of various dietary and spiritual practices, working with the contradictions and grey areas of the disease and kundalini. CFS is such a poorly understood disease. It seems to really wreak havoc on the nervous system. The kundalini energy seems to literally burn up the subtle nerves already overwhelmed or damaged by CFS. I suspect some kind of sensitivity in the nervous system can exist that can make one both more "ready" or ripe for kundalini opening as well as more vulnerable to this disease. The best book I have found for understanding the dynamics of how k energy can sometimes wreak havoc on the physical body is David Frawley's book, Yoga and Ayurveda. I have heard Linda Callanan recommend this book on this list as well, for similar reasons. Perhaps Dharma could shed some light on this issue as well. Love, Jill >>> goode 04/19/01 12:01PM >>> Hi Jill! What is C.F.S.? Any thoughts on the correlation between kundalini activity and CFS? Love, --Greg At 10:52 AM 4/19/01 -0400, Jill Eggers wrote: >Dear A., > >I have had CFS for 11 years. I have had intense daily kundalini activity for 9 years. I am familiar with every experience you describe in your post below. (There seems to be a strange correlation between CFS and kundalini activity. A kundalini email list I was a member of for 2 years had a surprising number of members who had both kundalini activity and CFS.) > >For many years I was unable to function and in great pain as you currently experience. Now I am very healthy and active and the energy is integrated--but I have spent the past 9 years working with ways to return to health and manage the kundalini sensitivities. Most of these have to do with grounding the body and decreasing spiritual activities. There are things you can do to reduce the terror, anxiety and fear, as well as increase your functioning capacity. I will go into some detail with these things if you would like. I understand the fear you experience when it seems so much that is given to you to help actually makes things worse. So believe me when I say I will use the utmost caution and tell you exactly what my experiences have been with different practices of diet, exercise, etc., and how they affected me in terms of CFS and in terms of kundalini sensitivity. I do know what you are experiencing. > >Besides any information I can give you, there are other email lists with people with similar experiences and I can refer you to those as well. > >What is a "tie-cutting" exercise? > >Best to you, > >Jill > >PS: I am in the U.S. > > >>>> sand 04/19/01 09:37AM >>> >I am posting this on behalf of a frieind of mine. I will forward her >any responses. >Thankyou. >______________________ > >I have been ill with M.E. ( C.F.S.) for 13 years . About 6 years ago >I seem to have had a kundalini type experience provoked by a 'healer' >.Previously I was very sensitive but could tolerate tiny amounts of >healing etc. but ever since then I have had crippling electrical >sensations and have suffered from massive states of overstimulation >and hyperarousal. I cannot tolerate ANY healing ( distant included >), meditation, japa, homeopathy, etc. etc. without aggravating wildly >the above symptoms , in fact just looking at a photo of a spiritual >teacher does the same. My general health is appalling and >deteriorating , I am totally exhausted and I have awful difficulty >sleeping. I am housebound and can barely speak on the phone . > All this was aggravated by a dental extraction 6 weeks ago , my >head ws gyrated for 30 minutesand it stirred up the energy problems >in my back. Then I also did a grounding exercise a week later which >made it even worse. Last week I did a 'Tie-cutting' exercise and I >am now in a sky wide open state , I am in complete shock and terror >and I feel as if all protective layers are gone. > > ****** HELP !!! ******* >Is there anybody out there who is this supersensitive ? >Is there any hope ? ( especially interested to hear from anyone >connected to Sai Baba ) I live near Oxford ( U.K.). > >A. >________________________ > > >/join > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > >/join > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.a > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. 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Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Thanks Jill, Oh yes, now I remember. You know, I'm also seeing something to this relationship thing. In all my years in college, the Army, in grad school, in the Christian church, at work, in the Rosicrucians, at the gym, among bicycle riders and skaters -- I had never met anyone who mentioned having CFS until I met people pursuing advaita. Then I met several people who spoke about CFS. Thanks for sharing your gentle, informed and sensitive listenings here. --Greg At 12:41 PM 4/19/01 -0400, Jill Eggers wrote: >Hi Greg, > >How are you? > >CFS is Chronic Fatigue Symdrome. It is called M.E. in Canada and the UK, and I can't remember what M.E. stands for. Threre was what seemed like a surprising number of people on the kundalini list who had both active kundalini and CFS. In fact, our Dharma started a list for a while specifically for those of us who had both active kundalini and CFS. > >For many of us, the onset of kundalini symptoms increased the severity and frequency of CFS symptoms. Some of the symptoms of each are hard to tell apart. For me CFS is almost completely gone, but there are still occasional symptom bouts. The aspects of these that are hard to tell from some K symptoms for me involve very intense spine and nerve pain which make standing or moving about very difficult. Then a few hours or a day later I can go run four miles or be completely active in my work with no pain or symptoms at all. But earlier on in the disease process, especially right after the onset of k, that kind of pain pervaded my daily experience. > >What is the relationship? I have been trying to figure this out for years, daily listening to the body, carefully studying the results of various dietary and spiritual practices, working with the contradictions and grey areas of the disease and kundalini. CFS is such a poorly understood disease. It seems to really wreak havoc on the nervous system. The kundalini energy seems to literally burn up the subtle nerves already overwhelmed or damaged by CFS. I suspect some kind of sensitivity in the nervous system can exist that can make one both more "ready" or ripe for kundalini opening as well as more vulnerable to this disease. > >The best book I have found for understanding the dynamics of how k energy can sometimes wreak havoc on the physical body is David Frawley's book, Yoga and Ayurveda. I have heard Linda Callanan recommend this book on this list as well, for similar reasons. > >Perhaps Dharma could shed some light on this issue as well. > >Love, > >Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 In a message dated 4/19/01 10:44:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eggersj writes: << I suspect some kind of sensitivity in the nervous system can exist that can make one both more "ready" or ripe for kundalini opening as well as more vulnerable to this disease. >> My suspicions, too. I remember another common ailment among us k-ites was migraine/epilepsy. Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hi Jill, >CFS is Chronic Fatigue Symdrome. It is called M.E. in Canada and the UK, >and I can't remember what M.E. stands for. A partial repost from the K-list: >>X: >>With regard to Chronic fatigue syndrome, I believe that this may be >>avoided by not wasting energy through undue conversation, unspiritual >>pursuits, mental activities etc. It really is a result of mismanaged >>and wasted energy, mostly mental activity. I don't think that it really >>exists other than that. > >Dharma: >Our CDC wanted people to think that... that's why they gave it such an >innocuous name. You can read in _Osler's Web_ about the government's >attempts to keep from admitting it as a real disease... and about what >the patients and doctors were doing in all those years. > >CFS does NOT mean being tired all the time. It's a disease... the >European/Canadian name says it better: myalgic encephalomyelitis. It >means an inflammation of the brain and nervous system, resulting in muscle >pain. It's a disease of the immune system, but not usually >life-threatening... except from suicide. Or when it goes into MS... or >non-Hodgkin's lymphoma... > >If you ever get it, it won't matter whether you believe in it. --------- >Threre was what seemed like a surprising number of people on the kundalini >list who had both active kundalini and CFS. Here's another post I wrote to the K-list (sorry about all the reposts, but it's much faster for me): >Hi All, > >I'm seeing more people talk about paranoia, electric feelings, muscle >problems, and other symptoms that I associate with CFS (Chronic Fatigue >Syndrome), aka CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome), aka ME >(myalgic encephalomyelitis). > >It has seemed to me that there are a LOT of K.-active people who have >CFS/ME, and I've wondered whether there might be a connection. Now I'm >wondering if maybe a lot of K.-active people have CFS symptoms from time >to time, but without having CFS... or without being sick enough to seek >diagnosis of a physical illness. > >Here's a list of CFS symptoms: > >>The symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome are legion. One way to view the >>syndrome is to think of the symptom pattern of mononucleosis or influenza >>persisting for years instead of resolving in a week or two. Fatigue, sore >>throat, abdominal pain, headache, lymph node pain, myalgia, and arthralgia >>suggest the presence of viral infection. Neurologic symptoms such as >>dizziness, balance disorder, paresthesias, and cognitive disturbances >>involving short-term memory and attention may also be present. Emotional >>symptoms of depression or panic disorder [or paranoia] may round out the >>pattern. >> >>On physical examination, the patient looks healthy and has relatively minor >>abnormalities, findings that stand in stark contrast to the history of >>severe functional limitation. Examination of lymph nodes may reveal minor >>adenopathy. However, persistent tenderness of the anterior cervical, >>axillary, and inguinal lymph nodes without adenopathy is more common and is >>one of the most helpful physical findings. Photophobia on funduscopic >>examination and muscle tenderness on palpation may be found. Neurologic >>abnormalities may include hyperreflexia in the lower extremities, Romberg's >>sign, and impaired tandem gait.7 > >G. said: >>I have >>feelings of electricity and sensations running through my body all the time, >>I just put my hand out into air, touching nothing, and I can feel shocks >>coming in through it. > >H. said: >>Because of the electricity I am all over-sensitive,... > >When I had CFS, I noticed the feeling of a small explosion of electricity >radiating from one point, as if someone had touched an electric "zapper" >to my arm. Very sick patients say this is the same thing - magnified - >that causes them great pain. It's been described as feeling like you're >wearing a wetsuit and stuck your finger in a light socket. > >H. said: >>Most disturbing to me is the paranoia -snip- which I have finally >>concluded is kind of an energy storm that comes through the mind... > >Sophisticated MRE scans have showed punctate lesions (holes) in the brains >of CFS patients, so it is generally assumed that many of the symptoms come >from this brain damage, depending on where it is in the brain at the >moment. These lesions do heal as the patient improves. > >The cause of CFS is not yet known... some physical illnesses are >typically found, but they are seen more as opportunistic diseases and/or >indicators of immune-system problems. > >Of the people I know who have recovered, we all have made a major diet >change. It is possible that food sensitivities and fungi such as Candida >are responsible for the brain damage. We know the typical pattern of the >food sensitivities and Candida involves "leaky bowel syndrome," in which a >Candida/etc. problem in the upper bowel makes actual holes and enables >large molecules to pass into the blood stream and into the brain. Candida >itself can locate anywhere in the body, including the brain. > >In my own case, a friend challenged me in June of '96 to go on a no-gluten >(wheat etc.), no-caseine (milk products, excepting usually yogurt), >no-sugar, no-aspartame diet for three weeks. I did, and in three weeks I >felt so much better that I stayed on the diet. In Sept. my K. was >activated in meditation. In March a chiropractor (who does muscle-testing >and has studied other forms of healing) told me that the Candida etc. >problem was cleared up and I could resume a normal diet... with caution >and watching for new symptoms. A month or so later I was cured completely >of CFS during a workshop on a fast method of clearing karmic stuff. > >So... I'm thinking that maybe for those K. people who have some of the >same symptoms, it might be helpful to try such a diet. You could go to an >allergist to be tested for multiple allergies and sensitivities and >Candida, but it's expensive... and they stick little needles all over >your back. ) The other way to do it is to go on a strict exclusionary >diet for several weeks... and see how you feel! > >I'd be very interested in hearing comments from anyone on the possible >relationship or over-lap (or whatever) between active K. and CFS/ME. > >Love, >Dharma >In fact, our Dharma started a list for a while specifically for those of >us who had both active kundalini and CFS. It's still there, and I hope we'll soon be going strong again. >For many of us, the onset of kundalini symptoms increased the severity and >frequency of CFS symptoms. Some of the symptoms of each are hard to tell >apart. For me CFS is almost completely gone, but there are still >occasional symptom bouts. The aspects of these that are hard to tell from >some K symptoms for me involve very intense spine and nerve pain which >make standing or moving about very difficult. Then a few hours or a day >later I can go run four miles or be completely active in my work with no >pain or symptoms at all. But earlier on in the disease process, >especially right after the onset of k, that kind of pain pervaded my daily >experience. Yes, for years I couldn't walk very far at all... canes helped. Now the only problem I have is that I'm still out of shape... need to get into more exercise. Well, and once in a while the Kundalini makes walking a bit difficult... when I'm so full of energy I feel stiff... but that seems to be passing, as a constant flow is more usual. >What is the relationship? I have been trying to figure this out for >years, daily listening to the body, carefully studying the results of >various dietary and spiritual practices, working with the contradictions >and grey areas of the disease and kundalini. CFS is such a poorly >understood disease. It seems to really wreak havoc on the nervous system. >The kundalini energy seems to literally burn up the subtle nerves already >overwhelmed or damaged by CFS. I suspect some kind of sensitivity in the >nervous system can exist that can make one both more "ready" or ripe for >kundalini opening as well as more vulnerable to this disease. I found the reference for El's article: >CKRESS > >My article about the similarities between CFS/fibromyalgia and Kundalini >symptoms is in Shared Transformation newsletter issue #30. (Info on the >newsletters is on our site at http://users.aol.com/ckress/newslet.html) ------------ One more symptom, which is pretty good proof that this disease is real: loss of fingerprints! In this post someone was talking about a Kundalini symptom: >>Something even stranger that I forgot to mention. The skin blistering and >>peeling thing has been happening on and off for the past 12 years or so (but >>the last time was the worst ever) on the inner, palm-side of all my fingers >>so that now I have NO fingerprints. Just smooth skin on my finger tips. >>Loss of ego/identity? Hmmmmmm. My ego seems about as much intact as it >>ever >>was... > >Dharma: >This is interesting. Loss of fingerprints is a symptom of CFS (Chronic >Fatigue Syndrome), aka ME (myalgic encephalomyelitis). Twenty to 50 >percent of CFS patients lose their fingerprints. One mother of a CFS >patient didn't know she had it herself until the FBI came after her... >they thought she had tried to destroy her fingerprints. ) I lost mine >when I was sick... I showed a friend who had worked for the fingerprint >bureau in Albany NY, and she said the ridges were disappearing... almost >gone. I had wrinkles on my fingertips instead of ridges, probably because >there was too much skin without the ridges. Since I've been well, I >thought for a while that the prints were coming back, but now I'm not sure >at all... maybe they never will. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hi Jill, >What is the relationship? I have been trying to figure this out for years, >snip< >I suspect some kind of sensitivity in the nervous system can exist that >can make one both more "ready" or ripe for kundalini opening as well as >more vulnerable to this disease. And just one more repost. Another viewpoint on the possible relationship of K. and CFS/ME. >X: >>I don't want to be misunderstood re: C.F.S. etc. I suppose to a Yogi >>everything is energy anyway. Who knows the cause of these illnesses. >>The main cause is in fact energy-vibrations anyway called Karma. >>snip< >>Risen K would help >>wouldn't it? Unless it is heavily karmic? Has anyone tried Yoga camps? >>Has Reiki ever cured it or does it return? > >Dharma: >CFS/ME is said to be incurable, but I am cured of it... and so are some >others. The ones I know of all have active Kundalini. I was cured after >my K. became active and shortly before it went into high gear. > >snip< > >It's true that we could look at all disease in terms of energy and >vibrations. But it doesn't help a sick person to be told that he/she >doesn't have a real disease... to belittle his experience and his pain. >He needs to face it squarely and accept it... and be loved and accepted >and comforted... and then look for the way to recover the perfect health >that is our birthright (though it is possible that for some reason a person >has chosen not to manifest it in this life). > >There is a larger picture that isn't always easy to see. I have been told >that CFS/ME patients are spiritual, highly sensitive people. I have also >been told that having CFS/ME causes people to become more spiritual... >most are forced into a new lifestyle. The majority can't continue the same >jobs... they have to get out of the rat-race... have to find a cheaper >and simpler way to live. Many find ways to earn some money at home, on the >computer, sometimes lying in a reclining chair. So they spend more time >alone... they are thrown back on themselves... they find more time for >spiritual pursuits or they become more spiritual. > >This is a huge epidemic. The statistics are misleading, because so many >doctors know nothing of CFS/ME. Many people who have it are diagnosed with >something else... candidiasis, for instance. Fibromyalgia is widespread >now, and it seems to be the same disease as CFS/ME... or they are two >forms of the same disease. Gulf War Syndrome looked very much like CFS/ME. > >The larger picture includes the explosion of active Kundalini in the >Western World (I don't know about the East)... in 1932 it was unknown in >the West except in people who had gone to the East to study some yoga... >now people continue to find their way to this list after spontaneous >awakenings. Now we have this huge epidemic of an illness that changes >people's lives and either leads them to become more spiritual or forces the >conditions for them to have time for spiritual pursuits. There seems to be >a strong, at least partial similarity between K. symptoms and CFS symptoms: >El has an article on it, which I haven't yet read. > >It seems to me that it's all part of the leap in evolution that is >happening now. Teilhard de Chardin saw it... and he was a scientist, one >of the team that discovered Peking man. I accept it... I think the human >race is changing rapidly... and the new humanity is coming into being. > >St. Paul said the whole creation is groaning in labor with the birth of the >sons of God. We are giving birth to our new selves, to the new humanity. >For those who are in a difficult labor, let's don't belittle their pain and >suffering... let's honor it and them. > >Love, >Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hi Holly, ><< I suspect some kind of sensitivity in the nervous system can exist that >can make one both more "ready" or ripe for kundalini opening as well as more >vulnerable to this disease. >> > >My suspicions, too. I remember another common ailment among us k-ites was >migraine/epilepsy. Holly I've never had migraines, but I do occasionally see that weird shimmery pattern that my brother (a migraine sufferer) says is called the "aura" and precedes migraine attacks. When I get it, it persists for a while, and it doesn't seem like a vision or a perception of some kind... it seems more like something might be wrong in my eyes or my brain. (Well, I guess the eyes are part of the brain, aren't they?) Also, it moves as I move my eyes. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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