Terry re "consciousness"

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Hi Terry,

 

Well, something like "wisdom without consciousness like a rock or inanimate

object" certainly would be mumbo jumbo -if you will read carefully (!),

this is NOT what I quoted. Rinpoche was just pointing out how difficult it

is for anyone to imagine the wisdom state of intuition beyond ordinary

relative consciousness or ordinary mind for someone who has not experienced

this.

 

> Question: Rinpoche, when you were first talking about Nirvana you said that

> consciousness stopped. But then you were talking about the qualities of

> wisdom that come with Nirvana as well. How can it be that you can have

> wisdom without consciousness?

>

> Rinpoche: For us now at this stage of our development, this is pretty

> inconceivable. Consciousness is what we are aware of. To think of

> phenomena without consciousness is to think of a rock or an inanimate

> object. This is our only reference to something that has no consciousness.

> It is difficult for us to appreciate that there could be any kind of wisdom

> if there wasn't consciousness.

 

 

 

 

In fact, what we are aware of now as mind or

> consciousness is not really a true sense of being conscious at all, rather,

> it is a kind of delusion. In our present state of mind we are only

> fascinated by delusion and do not really have an understanding of our true

> state. This state is rather contrary to wisdom which is the real state of

> intuition which is wisdom. Consciousness is mind of content. If you have a

> notion of "red" or "big" or any type of apperception, that moment of

> apperception is a moment of consciousness.