Digest Number 1046

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> Jesus on the cross is unquestionably a sacred symbol to millions of

Christians, and

> is at the heart of the religion. Most Christians would find that offensive.

The list guidelines

> restrict any speech disrespectful of a relgion. Granted there are few on the

list,

> however it is a judgement call I was willing to make, and I will stand by it.

>

~~*+M~*

One of the few, thanking you for doing so.

+ Maureen

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At 12:02 PM 4/23/01, you wrote:

> Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:41:07 -0000

> umbada

>Re: Digest Number 1038

>

>Hi Mystress and Lobster,

>

>I missed your post of April 10, Lobster, otherwise would have

>responded sooner. Are you still in Vancouver, Angelique? You should

>come to the gathering near Santa Cruz, California, Sept 28-30. There

>are others up there that might want to drive down together, or fly.

>See <http://www.nonduality.com/pol.htm>

 

Hmm.. sounds interesting. I have another function to attend, labor

day, so I will have to see.. Thankyou for the invitation.

>If you want the old , we can open it on

><http://www..co.uk/> You don't have to deal with , though

>the list can be accessed through once it's set up. The UK

>version is the same as the , except for the branding and other

>features that we probably wouldn't use. Also, you don't have to sign

>up with when accessing through UK.

 

Something to consider.. I think I may reroute my adult lists through

that venue.

>Hey, I'm just as cold blooded as the next list moderator. 'exo', which

>Lobster mentioned, is short and sweet. It has meaning for the

>exo-skeleton of the lobster, the zero of the nondualist, and 'x' must

>have meaning somewhere for Kundalini.

 

X? Uh.. here is where I don't mention my St. Andr... oops!

> Or Exodust? 'dust' would have

>Kundalini significance. I think the key is 'no compromise'. We don't

>want to neutralize each other's expression.

 

Exactly.. I think the three of us have spent enough time arguing,

to essentially resolve our differences.. or at least get to a place of

mutual respect where we feel no need to neutralize each other.

>This new list, if we start it, isn't going to be ,

>Kundalini, or Nonduality Salon. It's going to be something else,

>though I'm not sure what. Some weird combination of Kundalini, Sufism,

>Radical Nonduality. I want people to be scared to join this list. Any

>other thoughts?

>

>Love,

>Jerry

 

The idea of the list being scary to join, amuses me. exo, reads to

me, as e-mail kisses and hugs.

 

I find list creation is much like painting. You may have some idea of

what to paint, and some lines drawn in, but the end result never quite

turns out like you expect.. the art takes on a life of its own. The

community shapes itself. I inherited the K-list from Richard, because he

was disappointed when it did not turn out like he expected.

From that, I learned some things.. but I still had to make my own

mistakes.

 

I set up the K-Goddess list for spiritual SM fetishists, expecting to

find more people like myself. It ended up attracting a herd of Thelemites..

(followers of Aliester Crowley) who are really not aligned with my path or

intentions for the list, at all. So, it has a decent membership.. nearly

300 members.. but I rarely post to it, it is mostly inactive.

 

One of the nicest lists I own, has almost no theme or guidelines, at

all. My intention was to create a kind of women's tea party, quilting

circle for women to do as they have always done.. gather together and talk

freely about whatever is on their minds. I set it up on a whim, and sent

out about 40 invitations to the most amazing women of power I had met in my

time on-line, and invited those who joined, to invite the kewlest women of

power they know, too. Aside from the restrictions of being private, and

exclusive to magical women, the only guideline is a request not to forward

list mail outside of the list. It has turned into a really delightful

space, with a strong egregore.. group mind presence. It is very casual, we

talk about everything from sex to gardening, yet it is a really high vibe

space.

 

I find the name of a list, is not so important as the description.

Earlier today, I came across a quote that I thought might be a good list

description.. but perhaps it is not appropriate, as it is not scary at all!

I offer it up for consideration, but I am not attached to it:

 

"If you try to impose a rigid discipline while teaching a child or a

chimp you are working against the boundless curiosity and need for relaxed

play that make learning possible in the first place... learning cannot be

controlled; it is out of control by design. Learning emerges spontaneously,

it proceeds in an individualistic and unpredictable way, and it achieves

its goal in its own good time. Once triggered, learning will not

stop--unless it is hijacked by conditioning."

-- Roger Fouts in Next of Kin

 

Blessings..