Re:Joyce/Freedom

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, "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Joyce,

 

Thank you for your reply.

 

I feel that one can never 'know' freedom - One can only be it.

 

It is the I-entity that struggles to attain freedom because it

'suffers' from the delusion that it is bound.

 

 

Thank you also for sharing the Astavakra Samhita.

 

Love,

James

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Hi James,

>

> I don't know if "people" know what it means - I've come across a few

who do.

> It seems at times that a person will have the notion of freedom

which is

> really just licentiousness and selfishness -speaking only for

myself, of

> course.

>

> Love Joyce

> >

> > You're quite right- It is a debatable definition of

'freedom'

> > and that is the point.

> >

> > People say they want 'freedom' but do they really know

what it

> > means?

> >

> > Love,

> > james

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> > What is freedom?

> >> >

> >> > Does freedom mean that 'I' can do or say what I like?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Yes.

> >>

> >> That's a debatable definition of "freedom"!

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > And it also means that 'you' can do or say what you

like!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > So, what happens when 'I' say or do something that imposes

on

> > your

> >> > freedom, or 'you' say or do something that imposes on my

> > freedom?...

> >>

> >> No one imposes on "my" freedom. Freedom remains quite uneffected

by

> >> anything posted -but I choose to be mindful and respect the

> > guidelines of

> >> this list which are pretty broad. Ancient teachings demonstrate

> > that

> >> "freedom" is discovered within the "limitations" of certain

> > guidelines and

> >> discipline. It does seem to be a matter of choice and good

manners

> > at least.

> >> So three cheers, Gloria and many thanks for pure motivation!

> >>

> >> Joyce

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ---------------

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Obviously the only mature answer is 'Mutual Respect' (and a

> >> > deeper understanding of freedom).

> >> >

> >> > Without mutual respect we create the need for guidelines

and

> >> > moderators (which means we have lost freedom).

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> > james

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > /join

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> >> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

> > sights,

> >> > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in

> > and subside

> >> > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> > different than

> >> > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature

of

> >> > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present.

> > It is

> >> > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be

the

> > Finality

> >> > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

> > Self-Knowledge,

> >> > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

> >> a.

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> > /join

> >

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

sights,

> > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in

and subside

> > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than

> > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

> > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

It is

> > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality

> > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge,

> > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

> a.

> >

> > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at

> > www., and select the User Center

link from

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> > on the left. This menu will also let you change

your

> > subscription

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