Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 Hi Tony! Now you're a history professor, too? And I suppose you've studied the Hebrew testament in its original language to explain to us why and how Jacob's name was changed to Israel? And why Israel is the people of Jacob? And you're well acquainted with every century of over 5,000 years of documented history of that people? The word Israel has nothing to do with "seekers" by the way... as Jacob saw YHVH directly without any seeking ... Tony, you expound on speculative ideas as if you have a definitive answer, which I guess is a kind of quaint personality trait of yours, no doubt quite endearing to those who love you, I mean, who are ignorantly attached to you ;-) Blessed be, Dan Namaste, Israelites came at about 3000 BC. from Egypt, the word means 'seekers'. Jews came with the Spanish there is a difference. Jews really evolved around 400-500 BC and after the Babylonian captivity. They were essentially Canaanites. Although they have some descent from the original Israelites, they are not the Israelites. Mayan refugees settled as the Hopi in the 'four corners', area. So did some South Americans etc, not including those that were always there. The Mayans in public and more in secret have preserved the teachings, from Atlantis etc. As a student of vedanta and having spent spiritual time in India, I was not surprised to find the teachings and symbols the same, even down to a form of advaita vedanta mayan style. ....ONS Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 ---Dear Dan, Huggs to you, i knew i liked you, now i have a good reason <laugh>. You, Jan, and Tim slay me, i seldom read your posts for very long without having a nice fit of laughter. This was perfect Danji, and I bow to you happily. ;-) Love Gracie In , Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Hi Tony! > > Now you're a history professor, too? > And I suppose you've studied the Hebrew > testament in its original language > to explain to us why and how Jacob's > name was changed to Israel? And why > Israel is the people of Jacob? > > And you're well acquainted with every > century of over 5,000 years of > documented history of that people? > > The word Israel has nothing to do with "seekers" by > the way... as Jacob saw YHVH directly > without any seeking ... > > Tony, you expound on speculative ideas > as if you have a definitive answer, > which I guess is a kind of quaint > personality trait of yours, no doubt > quite endearing to those who love you, > I mean, who are ignorantly attached to you ;-) > > Blessed be, > Dan > > >Namaste, > > > >Israelites came at about 3000 BC. from Egypt, the word means > >'seekers'. Jews came with the Spanish there is a difference. Jews > >really evolved around 400-500 BC and after the Babylonian captivity. > >They were essentially Canaanites. Although they have some descent from > >the original Israelites, they are not the Israelites. Mayan refugees > >settled as the Hopi in the 'four corners', area. So did some South > >Americans etc, not including those that were always there. > > > >The Mayans in public and more in secret have preserved the teachings, > >from Atlantis etc. As a student of vedanta and having spent spiritual > >time in India, I was not surprised to find the teachings and symbols > >the same, even down to a form of advaita vedanta mayan style. > > > >...ONS Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 , Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Hi Tony! > > Now you're a history professor, too? > And I suppose you've studied the Hebrew > testament in its original language > to explain to us why and how Jacob's > name was changed to Israel? And why > Israel is the people of Jacob? > > And you're well acquainted with every > century of over 5,000 years of > documented history of that people? > > The word Israel has nothing to do with "seekers" by > the way... as Jacob saw YHVH directly > without any seeking ... > > Tony, you expound on speculative ideas > as if you have a definitive answer, > which I guess is a kind of quaint > personality trait of yours, no doubt > quite endearing to those who love you, > I mean, who are ignorantly attached to you ;-) > > Blessed be, > Dan > > >Namaste, > > > >Israelites came at about 3000 BC. from Egypt, the word means > >'seekers'. Jews came with the Spanish there is a difference. Jews > >really evolved around 400-500 BC and after the Babylonian captivity. > >They were essentially Canaanites. Although they have some descent from > >the original Israelites, they are not the Israelites. Mayan refugees > >settled as the Hopi in the 'four corners', area. So did some South > >Americans etc, not including those that were always there. > > > >The Mayans in public and more in secret have preserved the teachings, > >from Atlantis etc. As a student of vedanta and having spent spiritual > >time in India, I was not surprised to find the teachings and symbols > >the same, even down to a form of advaita vedanta mayan style. > > > >...ONS Tony Namaste, Admittedly my knowledge or whatever is not of the 'universities', but its references are equally valid. However I don't want to get into the Bible as a History Book thing. When it is mostly stories and some esotericism. I think you'll find there was no Hebrew scriptures prior to 500 BC. Even profs at the Universtiy in Tel Aviv say there is no record of David and Solomon existing as in the Bible. They were probably Egyptian figures, whom the stories are based on to give the returning refugees 'A History'. Again as you well know the Jews are a later formation. The Is Ra El ites are an older group, probably the followers of a monotheism in Egypt. Their descendants were probably followers of Ahkenaton, and it was they that were banished, much later than the original 'lost tribes'. No offence I'm quoting some Israelis sources here. Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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