Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 So - would you say that "Self" could be said to refer to this vivid experience of "totality of one's phenomenal world arising as the sheer lucency of Being"???? It does seem if one stays with the question "Who Am I?" this cuts through the model-building and proliferation of thought and one discovers or recognizes, conceptualization-freeness attending to brilliance, or just ever present, unchanging, unstained, unborn radiance. ======= Dear Friends, Some wonderful questions Joyce :-)(in themselves answers) This question of Self (Being) and Emptiness (Self not existing) is resolved in the Buddhist adage: Emptiness is Form Form is Emptiness or in the idea of the transcendence of the conditions of Nirvana (extinction of egoic self) and Samsara (illusion of continuous self) into Dzogchen ========== In Dzogchen, one recognizes any appearance (phenomena) as the "expression of "Self", intrinsic nature, made of the same "stuff" - not other than, non-dual, empty of permanent selfness, ever changing and suffering if one deluded as to what one is essentially (a resplendent radiance). The (Trekcho) practice is of this continual recognition. Seems as though the experience is the same, just many different words for it. Both Advaita and Dzogchen use the term "self-effulgence"...both say.."As waves, foam and bubbles are not different from water, so the universe emanating from the "Self" (primordial awareness) is not different from It." AS ("effulgence" - a resplendent radiance.) ========= This clear light (radiant being) or Buddha Nature (being without radiance) is primarily identical. The self that is perceived in all is both Empty of non being and Full of emptiness. This paradox of Self both empty (of the need to be) and full of being (empty of need) is just an expression of word limitation. ============= "from Medard Boss re this Dzogchen view, "Another emotional mode is composed, joyous serenity. It can give human existence the kind of receptivity that allows it to see in the 'brightest light' the meaningfulness and connections of every penomena that reveals itself. Such a serenity is a clearness and openness in which a human being is emotionally connected to everything he meets wanting not to have things in his own power but content to let them be and develop on their own. Because this composed, joyous serenity opens a human being to the broadest possible responsiveness, it constitutes happiness, as well." =========== Receptive serenity or ever opening existence or non-discriminative awareness or [insert preferred description] will offer us insight. The practice of such a state is an approximation of its eventual supercedence. For even Dzogchen is experiential. Never Mind :-( Or as we Lobsters say :-) "What do you want a mind for - back into the cauldron with you" Lobster Om HA! Hung (so to speak) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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