Dan/Tony / Why are people happy about a child?

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--- Dear Dan,

God morning to you, and thanks for the smile you just gave me. ;-)

Love Gracie

In , Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote:

> At 08:28 PM 4/30/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote:

> > > Hi Tony!

> > >

> > > Now you're a history professor, too?

> > > And I suppose you've studied the Hebrew

> > > testament in its original language

> > > to explain to us why and how Jacob's

> > > name was changed to Israel? And why

> > > Israel is the people of Jacob?

> > >

> > > And you're well acquainted with every

> > > century of over 5,000 years of

> > > documented history of that people?

> > >

> > > The word Israel has nothing to do with "seekers" by

> > > the way... as Jacob saw YHVH directly

> > > without any seeking ...

> > >

> > > Tony, you expound on speculative ideas

> > > as if you have a definitive answer,

> > > which I guess is a kind of quaint

> > > personality trait of yours, no doubt

> > > quite endearing to those who love you,

> > > I mean, who are ignorantly attached to you ;-)

> > >

> > > Blessed be,

> > > Dan

> > >

> > > >Namaste,

> > > >

> > > >Israelites came at about 3000 BC. from Egypt, the word means

> > > >'seekers'. Jews came with the Spanish there is a difference.

Jews

> > > >really evolved around 400-500 BC and after the Babylonian

> >captivity.

> > > >They were essentially Canaanites. Although they have some

descent

> >from

> > > >the original Israelites, they are not the Israelites. Mayan

> >refugees

> > > >settled as the Hopi in the 'four corners', area. So did some

South

> > > >Americans etc, not including those that were always there.

> > > >

> > > >The Mayans in public and more in secret have preserved the

> >teachings,

> > > >from Atlantis etc. As a student of vedanta and having spent

> >spiritual

> > > >time in India, I was not surprised to find the teachings and

> >symbols

> > > >the same, even down to a form of advaita vedanta mayan style.

> > > >

> > > >...ONS Tony

> >

> >Namaste,

> >

> >Admittedly my knowledge or whatever is not of the 'universities',

but

> >its references are equally valid.

> >

> >However I don't want to get into the Bible as a History Book thing.

> >When it is mostly stories and some esotericism. I think you'll find

> >there was no Hebrew scriptures prior to 500 BC. Even profs at the

> >Universtiy in Tel Aviv say there is no record of David and Solomon

> >existing as in the Bible. They were probably Egyptian figures, whom

> >the stories are based on to give the returning refugees 'A

History'.

> >

> >Again as you well know the Jews are a later formation. The Is Ra El

> >ites are an older group, probably the followers of a monotheism in

> >Egypt. Their descendants were probably followers of Ahkenaton, and

it

> >was they that were banished, much later than the original 'lost

> >tribes'. No offence I'm quoting some Israelis sources here.

> >

> >Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony

>

> Hi Tony -

>

> I suppose anyone seriously interested

> in the history of Mayans, Hopis,

> Hebrews, etc., can find innumerable

> resources available, and probably

> wouldn't accept at face value

> highly speculative statements made

> here according to unnamed special sources.

>

> Of course there were Hebrew scriptures

> prior to 500 B.C., and documentation

> of civilizations includes something

> called archeology, Tony. Simply

> because archeology is taught in

> universities doesn't make it invalid ;-)

>

> The way you slide from

> proclamations about Nirguna

> Brahman to speculative

> story-telling about ancient

> civilizations is quite fun.

>

> Maybe at some point you will speak

> from your direct experience,

> who knows?

>

> Peace,

> Dan