Guest guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 Hi Jan :-) =========== ºSufi terminology utilises the idea ºthat a developed woman saint becomes 'A Man'. ºSexism? ºPerhaps. Doesn't that depend on how to read "man"? Either a male or a human being (no gender issue emphasized). ========= Yes. In the former apartheid of South Africa black people from Europe or the 'Ist World' were seen as honorary whites . . . How many of us are now trying to follow 3rd world religions and becoming 2cnd rate imitations? Actualization means power comes from the individual, independent of ethnic spirituality gender or mental capacity - but then I am just a sub-marine sub-species . . . ============== ºThe Buddha was very reluctant to allow women into the Sangha? ºSexism? ºPerhaps. Perhaps women are "liberated" already <laugh>. ============ :-) Depends on them not the fact of their gender Though many people because of race, economics, gender and so on may never have the possibility of understanding liberation in the most basic of forms - for example liberation from hunger. (anyone still discussing food compassion?) ============ ºOccult theory postulates that black Atlanteans º(incidently there is no evidence for Atlantis - none º- it was a fairy story - traded everywhere º- nothing remains - funny that - like most myths) ºhad white slaves. The recent enslavement of black people ºwas karmic retribution. ºRacism? ºPerhaps. Perhaps a statement that slavery is independent of race, caste and creed. =========== :-( indeed even today the headquarters of the anti-slavery society still exists in London . . . Moksha anyone . . . ======== ºPerhaps it should be realised that Moses ºmay have been a better chiseler than God. Do you know Moses well enough to be sure of that? ======= Yes. I know Moses well enough to be sure of that and Pharaoh too . . . ================ ºSome people try and fulfill that fantasy º(if they are able to condition themselves to do so). ºThe genuine guru (according to my conditioning) ºdoes not provide empty platitudes ºbut situations and questions. And how would one recognize a "genuine guru"? The term by itself is suggestive that there are other gurus which would contradict the term "guru". =========== Like calls to like. So for example people here are drawn to the energy of Ramana. Nobody sets out to be hoodwinked or exploited by their lower selves or their Gurus limitations. Everyone extolls the virtues of what they are 'gaining'. Sometimes we wonder what has been lost . . . and what needs to be lost . . . Lobster ============ ºThe Sat Guru is regarded as more important ºthan God because they lead us to God. That sounds familiar - someone dedicated a poem to the guru precisely for that reason. ºGod it seems is incapable. ºPerhaps so. Perhaps God doesn't have any motive to lead to Him because there is nothing but God <laugh>. =================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 , Lobster <lobster@b...> wrote: > > > ================ > ºSome people try and fulfill that fantasy > º(if they are able to condition themselves to do so). > ºThe genuine guru (according to my conditioning) > ºdoes not provide empty platitudes > ºbut situations and questions. > Dear List and Lobster: This points to the fact that "everyday life is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions, endless questions. Where do they come from? From the genuine guru. Thanks for this. Terry (of course, not all my questions have answers. And I should add that our mistake is to think the guru provides answers, not questions, "empty platitudes"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2001 Report Share Posted May 3, 2001 > > ================ > > ºSome people try and fulfill that fantasy > > º(if they are able to condition themselves to do so). > > ºThe genuine guru (according to my conditioning) > > ºdoes not provide empty platitudes > > ºbut situations and questions. > > >Dear List and Lobster: This points to the fact that "everyday life >is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions, >endless questions. Where do they come from? From the genuine guru. >Thanks for this. Terry (of course, not all my questions have >answers. And I should add that our mistake is to think the guru >provides answers, not questions, "empty platitudes"). Hi Terry, Friends, Hopefully we become older and wiser. A great deal is learnt through life experience. I would also suggest that we need to understand the message of that teaching. Older and even very experienced individuals are not always wise. Other people quite limited and simple in life style seem to have gained something. What is that? What is the attitude to our 'life Guru' that provides wisdom? For me it is not one but many things. Many things I am constantly learning and applying. For example I learnt today that . . . we have to allow people to come up with their answers. What are your lessons for today? Chela Lobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2001 Report Share Posted May 4, 2001 > Dear List and Lobster: This points to the fact that "everyday life > is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions, > endless questions. Where do they come from? > From the genuine guru. Where does the "genuine guru" come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2001 Report Share Posted May 4, 2001 Joyce Short wrote: > > > Dear List and Lobster: > > This points to the fact that "everyday life > > is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions, > > endless questions. Where do they come from? > > > From the genuine guru. > > Where does the "genuine guru" come from? > Hi Joyce: The questions arise from circumstances. Like: Do I dare to eat a peach? So the genuine guru, for your question, came from the words on a screen, "from the genuine guru". What do you think? (Ha ha) You too, can be a genuine guru...(maybe that's how the stereotype of the "inscrutable easterner" arose: always provoking questions, not answers) Love you Joyce, Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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