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Hi Jan :-)

 

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ºSufi terminology utilises the idea

ºthat a developed woman saint becomes 'A Man'.

ºSexism?

ºPerhaps.

 

Doesn't that depend on how to read "man"?

Either a male or a human being (no gender issue emphasized).

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Yes.

In the former apartheid of South Africa

black people from Europe or the 'Ist World'

were seen as honorary whites . . .

How many of us are now trying to follow

3rd world religions and becoming 2cnd rate

imitations?

Actualization means power comes from

the individual, independent of ethnic spirituality

gender or mental capacity - but then I am

just a sub-marine sub-species . . .

 

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ºThe Buddha was very reluctant to allow women into the Sangha?

ºSexism?

ºPerhaps.

 

Perhaps women are "liberated" already <laugh>.

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:-)

Depends on them

not the fact of their gender

Though many people because of race,

economics, gender and so on may

never have the possibility of

understanding liberation in the

most basic of forms - for example

liberation from hunger.

(anyone still discussing food compassion?)

 

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ºOccult theory postulates that black Atlanteans

º(incidently there is no evidence for Atlantis - none

º- it was a fairy story - traded everywhere

º- nothing remains - funny that - like most myths)

ºhad white slaves. The recent enslavement of black people

ºwas karmic retribution.

ºRacism?

ºPerhaps.

 

Perhaps a statement that slavery is independent

of race, caste and creed.

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:-( indeed

even today the headquarters of the anti-slavery

society still exists in London . . .

Moksha anyone . . .

 

 

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ºPerhaps it should be realised that Moses

ºmay have been a better chiseler than God.

 

Do you know Moses well enough to be sure of that?

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Yes. I know Moses well enough to be sure of that and Pharaoh too . . .

 

 

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ºSome people try and fulfill that fantasy

º(if they are able to condition themselves to do so).

ºThe genuine guru (according to my conditioning)

ºdoes not provide empty platitudes

ºbut situations and questions.

 

And how would one recognize a "genuine guru"?

The term by itself is suggestive that there are other

gurus which would contradict the term "guru".

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Like calls to like.

So for example people here are drawn to the energy

of Ramana. Nobody sets out to be hoodwinked or exploited by their lower

selves or their Gurus limitations. Everyone extolls the virtues of what

they are 'gaining'.

Sometimes we wonder what has been lost . . .

and what needs to be lost . . .

 

Lobster

 

 

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ºThe Sat Guru is regarded as more important

ºthan God because they lead us to God.

 

That sounds familiar - someone dedicated

a poem to the guru precisely for that reason.

 

ºGod it seems is incapable.

ºPerhaps so.

 

Perhaps God doesn't have any motive to lead

to Him because there is nothing but God <laugh>.

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, Lobster <lobster@b...> wrote:

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> ºSome people try and fulfill that fantasy

> º(if they are able to condition themselves to do so).

> ºThe genuine guru (according to my conditioning)

> ºdoes not provide empty platitudes

> ºbut situations and questions.

>

Dear List and Lobster: This points to the fact that "everyday life

is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions,

endless questions. Where do they come from? From the genuine guru.

Thanks for this. Terry (of course, not all my questions have

answers. And I should add that our mistake is to think the guru

provides answers, not questions, "empty platitudes").

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> > ================

> > ºSome people try and fulfill that fantasy

> > º(if they are able to condition themselves to do so).

> > ºThe genuine guru (according to my conditioning)

> > ºdoes not provide empty platitudes

> > ºbut situations and questions.

> >

>Dear List and Lobster: This points to the fact that "everyday life

>is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions,

>endless questions. Where do they come from? From the genuine guru.

>Thanks for this. Terry (of course, not all my questions have

>answers. And I should add that our mistake is to think the guru

>provides answers, not questions, "empty platitudes").

 

 

Hi Terry, Friends,

Hopefully we become older and wiser. A great deal is learnt through life

experience. I would also suggest that we need

to understand the message of that teaching. Older and even very experienced

individuals are not always wise. Other people quite limited and simple in

life style seem to have gained something.

What is that? What is the attitude to our 'life Guru' that provides wisdom?

For me it is not one but many things.

Many things I am constantly learning and applying.

For example I learnt today

that . . .

we have to allow people to come up with their answers.

What are your lessons for today?

 

Chela Lobster

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> Dear List and Lobster:

 

This points to the fact that "everyday life

> is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions,

> endless questions. Where do they come from?

> From the genuine guru.

 

Where does the "genuine guru" come from?

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Joyce Short wrote:

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> > Dear List and Lobster:

>

> This points to the fact that "everyday life

> > is the path", or that "everything is guru". I have so many questions,

> > endless questions. Where do they come from?

>

> > From the genuine guru.

>

> Where does the "genuine guru" come from?

>

Hi Joyce: The questions arise from circumstances. Like: Do I dare to

eat a peach? So the genuine guru, for your question, came from the

words on a screen, "from the genuine guru". What do you think? (Ha

ha) You too, can be a genuine guru...(maybe that's how the stereotype

of the "inscrutable easterner" arose: always provoking questions, not

answers) Love you Joyce, Terry.

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