Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Wanting nothing With all of your heart Stop the stream. When the world dissolves Everything becomes clear. Go beyond This way or that way, To the farther shore Where the world dissolves And everything becomes clear. Beyond this shore And the farther shore, Beyond the beyond, Where there is no beginning, No end. Without fear, go Meditate. Live purely, Be quiet. Do your work, with mastery. By day the sun shines, And the warrior in his armor shines. By night the moon shines, And the master shines in meditation. But day and night The man who is awake Shines in the radiance of the spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Thanks Joyce, Also, you can go to this site for daily words of the Buddha. They come from the Dhammapada and various suttas. http://www.pariyatti.com/words.htm You can also sign up to have them sent to you every day. With metta, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Thanks Joyce, > > Also, you can go to this site for daily words of the Buddha. They come > from the Dhammapada and various suttas. > > http://www.pariyatti.com/words.htm > > You can also sign up to have them sent to you every day. > > With metta, > > --Greg Namaste Greg, I signed up. How far beyond oneself do you end suffering? ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Good question! Depends on how one interprets "oneself." In advaita, oneSelf is all things and it naturally stops there. In Buddhism, "oneself" is one's own lifestream. Different kinds of Buddhism are different, but there's one branch, Mahayana (the main kind practiced in Japan, China, Korea, Tibet), in which you practice a long time, even after the suffering and cyclical existence have ended for this lifestream. You keep practicing until suffering has ended for all sentient beings. This has both noumenal and phenomenal interpretations as well. OM! --Greg At 05:05 PM 5/9/01 -0000, Tony O'Clery wrote: >, Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: >> Thanks Joyce, >> >> Also, you can go to this site for daily words of the Buddha. They >come >> from the Dhammapada and various suttas. >> >> http://www.pariyatti.com/words.htm >> >> You can also sign up to have them sent to you every day. >> >> With metta, >> >> --Greg > >Namaste Greg, > >I signed up. How far beyond oneself do you end suffering? ONS Tony. > > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 -> > Depends on how one interprets "oneself." In advaita, oneSelf is all things > and it naturally stops there. >In Buddhism, "oneself" is one's own > lifestream. Nope nope, same ol' lifestream -freeing self is freeing all sentient being same Being same Self. Same ol phenomena of suffering, same Whole, same All, same freedom, same buddha, same light, same Same. All in the big no-u-boat together, practicing until no more practicing. J Different kinds of Buddhism are different, but there's one > branch, Mahayana (the main kind practiced in Japan, China, Korea, Tibet), > in which you practice a long time, even after the suffering and cyclical > existence have ended for this lifestream. You keep practicing until > suffering has ended for all sentient beings. This has both noumenal and > phenomenal interpretations as well. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 At 01:54 PM 5/9/01 -0400, Joyce Short wrote: > > >-> >> Depends on how one interprets "oneself." In advaita, oneSelf is all things >> and it naturally stops there. > > >In Buddhism, "oneself" is one's own >> lifestream. > >Nope nope, same ol' lifestream -freeing self is freeing all sentient being >same Being same Self. Same ol phenomena of suffering, same Whole, same All, >same freedom, same buddha, same light, same Same. All in the big no-u-boat >together, practicing until no more practicing. J Yes and no. In Dzogchen and Mahayana - there are teachings of a Self like that, the whole enchilada. It's all expedient teaching, and there are also many Buddhist interpretations of a self that is limited in some way to the aggregates. If the *only* Buddhist teachings were on the Self of All, the Whole, then why would Vipassana meditation, such as from S.N. Goenka, say something about the individual self like this? --Greg (from "The Art of Living: Vipassana Meditation" http://www.dhamma.org/art.htm) One ought to live at peace with oneself, and at peace with all others. After all, a human being is a social being. He has to live in society--to live and deal with others. How are we to live peacefully? How are we to remain harmonious with ourselves, and to maintain peace and harmony around us, so that others can also live peacefully and harmoniously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 aggregates. If the *only* Buddhist teachings were on the Self of All, the > Whole, then why would Vipassana meditation, such as from S.N. Goenka, say > something about the individual self like this? > > --Greg > > (from "The Art of Living: Vipassana Meditation" > http://www.dhamma.org/art.htm) > > One ought to live at peace with oneself, > and at peace with all others. After all, > a human being is a social being. He has > to live in society--to live and deal with > others. How are we to live peacefully? > How are we to remain harmonious with > ourselves, and to maintain peace and > harmony around us, so that others can also > live peacefully and harmoniously? This is Sila, morality, foundation for vipassana practice (and all Buddhist practice). There are many Dharma talks where self is used conventionally. This is practical. I haven't ever had teachings with Goenkaji, although his method is very fine. But, no Theravada teacher will discuss the experiences of the path of insight until those experiences are actually arising out of practice. Very different from the Tibetans. This dialogue will take place privately between the teacher and student and within practice context. You report what you are noting, are aware of. The notings start to take on a kind of path feeling, like stepping stones. Because there is this, there is that. Because there is that, there is this. You find words fail but the teacher intuits where you are, step by step as insight is unfolding. Your expression about you practice might sound like this, "Sayadaw, I just feel like a vibrating lump". He smiles, and after a bit more questioning seems to know exactly where you are -gives advice where needed, encouragement where needed and sends you off again. The initial instructions for practice are very simple, and after this, words become more and more basic, never conceptually elaborate. At any retreat with any master, the dhamma talks for the group are always very basic and to the point of the practice method undertaken. No speculations about anything as this is seen as distraction. Exceptions to this is that you can now find "stages of insight" on line - but it won't make much sense unless you are following this practice. And, you can't take my word for it. The best teachers are in Myanmar -why not go? See for yourself. Metta, Joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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