Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > Spiritual evolution is the removal of impediments to manifestation, > which in its final stages takes on compassion and the purification of > the awareness sheath.........ONS Tony Tony, What "impediments to manifestation" are occurring for you today and how are you "purifying" them? Is awareness "sheathed?" Unsheathed? Partial? How is awareness "purified" Awareness evolves? -whose awareness anyhoo? The only sheath I find here is the little black number I can no longer fit into. Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: The only > sheath I find here is the little black number I can no longer fit into. Aaah, it's so annoying whenever you have a sheath let down like that. Another well known problem is nylon stockings being ripped. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 At 11:43 AM 5/9/01 -0400, Joyce Short wrote: >The only sheath I find here is the little >black number I can no longer fit into. :-) !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 , mumblecat@a... wrote: > > , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: > > The only > > sheath I find here is the little black number I can no longer fit > into. > > > Aaah, it's so annoying whenever you have a sheath let down like that. > > Another well known problem is nylon stockings being ripped. > > A. Namaste A et al, I'm glad I'm not a woman. It must be that much harder to reduce egos and attachments, having to worry so much about clothing, appearance, fashion, hair etc etc, weight appearance etc etc. This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be born a man. Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > Namaste A et al, > > I'm glad I'm not a woman. It must be that much harder to reduce egos > and attachments, having to worry so much about clothing, appearance, > fashion, hair etc etc, weight appearance etc etc. > > This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be > born a man. > Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. Namaste I would tell you what I look like if I could ever get my son out of the mirror for long enough to get a peek. ;-) Gill Allspirit Website: http://www.allspirit.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Tony, Tony, Tony: I suspect that you are posing this question to provoke a response, which you will then label, predictable. Do you also believe that Inuit were born in a place without vegetables (forced to eat meat) because of bad karma? Non-dualism has been criticized because in effect, the philosophy, the understanding of it eliminates the laws of cause and effect. Are you a non-dualist? Was Ramana? Bye for now. Terry , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > , mumblecat@a... wrote: > > > > , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: > > > > The only > > > sheath I find here is the little black number I can no longer fit > > into. > > > > > > Aaah, it's so annoying whenever you have a sheath let down like > that. > > > > Another well known problem is nylon stockings being ripped. > > > > A. > > Namaste A et al, > > I'm glad I'm not a woman. It must be that much harder to reduce egos > and attachments, having to worry so much about clothing, appearance, > fashion, hair etc etc, weight appearance etc etc. > > This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be > born a man. > Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 - Tony O'Clery Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:57 PM Re: evolution ? , mumblecat@a... wrote:> > --- In , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote:> > The only> > sheath I find here is the little black number I can no longer fit > into.> > > Aaah, it's so annoying whenever you have a sheath let down like that.> > Another well known problem is nylon stockings being ripped.> > A.Namaste A et al,I'm glad I'm not a woman. It must be that much harder to reduce egos and attachments, having to worry so much about clothing, appearance, fashion, hair etc etc, weight appearance etc etc.This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be born a man.Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. Yes, Tony. I'm glad I am not a man who pays so much attention to women's clothing, appearance, fashion, hair, weight, etc, etc...more than who she is. Man or woman, it is good karma to be born with a sense of humor. Love, Glo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Gill, Good point! I know some men who themselves are trangendered and now call themselves women. Beatiful, with hormones, silicone, makeup, fashion, and they don't like to share mirrors either! And some of them can fit into almost any sheath. --Greg At 06:12 PM 5/9/01 +0100, Gill Eardley wrote: >> Namaste A et al, >> >> I'm glad I'm not a woman. It must be that much harder to reduce egos >> and attachments, having to worry so much about clothing, appearance, >> fashion, hair etc etc, weight appearance etc etc. >> >> This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be >> born a man. >> Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. > > >Namaste > >I would tell you what I look like if I could ever get my son out of the >mirror for long enough to get a peek. ;-) > >Gill > >Allspirit Website: http://www.allspirit.co.uk > > > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > > This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be > born a man. > Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. It depends which man -Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > I would tell you what I look like if I could ever get my son out of the > mirror for long enough to get a peek. ;-) > > Gill Its OK, Gill, you just turned up in mine -you look great! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 > Tony, Tony, Tony: I suspect that you are posing this question to > provoke a response, which you will then label, predictable. Do you > also believe that Inuit were born in a place without vegetables > (forced to eat meat) because of bad karma? Non-dualism has been > criticized because in effect, the philosophy, the understanding of it > eliminates the laws of cause and effect. Are you a non-dualist? Was > Ramana? Bye for now. Terry Dear Terry, Now that you have given "Tony's "response -could you also please give mine? Many thanks -J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 >> This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be >> born a man. >> Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. > >It depends which man -Joyce ))))))))))) LOL! )))))))))))))) Joyce, you are too much! )))))))))) Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 ---Dear Tony, Good karma to be born a man?? Maybe, but you are still born of WOMAN. And it is the male of the species that has set such rediculous ideas of beauty for woman to aspire too. Although, there are those of us who care not a whit what you think of us, and we dress as we please, and do just about everything else as well to suit ourselves. Love Gracie PS, I am woman , HEAR ME ROAR!! <evil Grin> In , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > , mumblecat@a... wrote: > > > > , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: > > > > The only > > > sheath I find here is the little black number I can no longer fit > > into. > > > > > > Aaah, it's so annoying whenever you have a sheath let down like > that. > > > > Another well known problem is nylon stockings being ripped. > > > > A. > > Namaste A et al, > > I'm glad I'm not a woman. It must be that much harder to reduce egos > and attachments, having to worry so much about clothing, appearance, > fashion, hair etc etc, weight appearance etc etc. > > This may be the reason some scriptures indicate it is good karma to be > born a man. > Any thoughts?.......ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 >---Dear Tony, >Good karma to be born a man?? Maybe, but you are still born of >WOMAN. And it is the male of the species that has set such >rediculous ideas of beauty for woman to aspire too. Although, >there are those of us who care not a whit what you think of us, and >we dress as we please, and do just about everything else as well to >suit ourselves. >Love Gracie >PS, I am woman , HEAR ME ROAR!! <evil Grin> I guess Tony never read Ashley Montagu's book on _The Natural Superiority of Women_. ))) Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: > >---Dear Tony, > >Good karma to be born a man?? Maybe, but you are still born of > >WOMAN. And it is the male of the species that has set such > >rediculous ideas of beauty for woman to aspire too. Although, > >there are those of us who care not a whit what you think of us, and > >we dress as we please, and do just about everything else as well to > >suit ourselves. > >Love Gracie > >PS, I am woman , HEAR ME ROAR!! <evil Grin> > > I guess Tony never read Ashley Montagu's book on _The Natural Superiority > of Women_. ))) > > Dharma Namaste Dharma, I was not stating a position or opinion but throwing out an idea to debate. Hear me roar. I actually knew Helen Reddy, when we both lived in Australia.....ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 - Dharma <deva <> Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:28 PM Re: Re: evolution ? > >---Dear Tony, > >Good karma to be born a man?? Maybe, but you are still born of > >WOMAN. And it is the male of the species that has set such > >rediculous ideas of beauty for woman to aspire too. Although, > >there are those of us who care not a whit what you think of us, and > >we dress as we please, and do just about everything else as well to > >suit ourselves. > >Love Gracie > >PS, I am woman , HEAR ME ROAR!! <evil Grin> > > I guess Tony never read Ashley Montagu's book on _The Natural Superiority > of Women_. ))) I read a book...it wasn't about the natural superiority of women though. It was about the natural superiority of the Germans by a man called Adolf Hitler. A funny little double standard exists in the world..it seems that racial prejudice and bigotry is not tolerated or condoned but yet prejudiced based upon sex is considered politically correct.. as long as you're female. Many so called feminists are nothing more than hate mongers who seek so divide the sexes instead of emphasizing what unites us. Many of these hate mongers are glorified as champions of women's lib..like Gloria Steinem... and the afore-mentioned coat tail rider Ashley Montagu. take a myriad of Steinem's ravings and replace the world male with " jewsblacks" "chinese" "japanese" or "asians" and all of a sudden you have hate propaganda... kinda odd eh? Keep in mind I am not trying to pick a fight nor am I bashing a woman's right to be treated equal in every respect to a man. I am merely questioning the hypocritical double standards our society seems to so neatly sweep under the carpet. Kind regards everyone, Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Hey Jeremy! >> >---Dear Tony, >> >Good karma to be born a man?? Maybe, but you are still born of >> >WOMAN. And it is the male of the species that has set such >> >rediculous ideas of beauty for woman to aspire too. Although, >> >there are those of us who care not a whit what you think of us, and >> >we dress as we please, and do just about everything else as well to >> >suit ourselves. >> >Love Gracie >> >PS, I am woman , HEAR ME ROAR!! <evil Grin> >> >> I guess Tony never read Ashley Montagu's book on _The Natural Superiority >> of Women_. ))) No sense of humor, Jeremy? Then at least try to see when people are just making a joke. > I read a book...it wasn't about the natural superiority of women though. It >was about the natural superiority of the Germans by a man called Adolf >Hitler. A funny little double standard exists in the world..it seems that And I get Hitler yet? Ach! >racial prejudice and bigotry is not tolerated or condoned but yet prejudiced >based upon sex is considered politically correct.. as long as you're female. >Many so called feminists are nothing more than hate mongers who seek so You think I'm a feminist? Did I ever write anything to make you think so? Do you know that, with my Sanskrit name, some people don't know whether I'm a man or a woman? Guess my writing doesn't show it. ) >divide the sexes instead of emphasizing what unites us. Many of these hate >mongers are glorified as champions of women's lib..like Gloria Steinem... >and the afore-mentioned coat tail rider Ashley Montagu. take a myriad of Ashley Montagu was a British philosopher... I have no idea why he wrote that book... guess he just got interested in the subject. It was about physical, biological matters, as I recall... things like the X and Y chromosomes... and woman's extra layer of fat, which seems to be a plus for survival. >Steinem's ravings and replace the world male with " jewsblacks" "chinese" >"japanese" or "asians" and all of a sudden you have hate propaganda... kinda That book was not hate propaganda. Though I did see a round table on TV when Zsa Zsa got going with Montagu's book for fuel... she was hysterically funny... kept ragging the men about that stunted little Y chromosome. )) But she was so cute and funny, no one called her a hate monger. >odd eh? Keep in mind I am not trying to pick a fight nor am I bashing a >woman's right to be treated equal in every respect to a man. Well, that's good to hear. Maybe... >I am merely >questioning the hypocritical double standards our society seems to so neatly >sweep under the carpet. It ain't double standards that made the chromosomes or the extra layer of fat. Why so upset about all this anyway? Relax, be happy... do you really care about an extra layer of fat? ) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Jeremy: >Hey! I was merely pointing out a very real concern in our society. I wasn't >pointing any fingers.. no need to get jumpy fella =). I was also being >tongue-in -cheek at several points in my email as I hope was evident *the A. >Montagu reference etc.* . The fact remains that double standards are >indulged in by society and gender stereotypes do cut both ways. The fact >remains that many of Steinem's ravings sound strikingly similar to hate >propaganda. Women do have some unfair advantages in society whether they >would admit it or not. Some feminists are bold in their desire to be treated >as equals but then when they have to same some of the stark realities that >men have had to deal with for centuries (war), they hide behind these same >stereotypes that they supposedly abhor. Need I remind anyone of the Gulf >War? And...I didn't find Steinem cute in her writings. She , of course , did >some good for women but also a heck of allot of bad for humankind as a whole >. It seems odd that many feminists who preach that they only want equality >get so incredibly riled up whenever any of their beliefs are even >questioned in the slightest. Whenever I, or colleagues of mine, try to state >some of the misfortunes that befall males in our society due to unfair >gender based stereotypes, to some feminists we always get a response similar >to "oh you think you have it bad, well most men are insensitive brutes, >yadda yadda yadda." Many feminists state in one breath that they treat >everyone as equals regardless or gender and then in the very next spew a >barrage of embittered male bashing rhetoric...Doesn't sound cute, Doesn't >sound like equality..it sounds like disgusting hypocrisy to me. It is >extremely upsetting and depressing to me that these same self proclaimed >"compassionate feminists" are so stubborn, pig headed and unwilling to >listen to the same story from a different prospective. Maybe if you didn't use words like "ravings "Steinem's hate propaganda "[women's] unfair advantages "incredibly riled up "spew "barrage "embittered "male bashing "rhetoric "disgusting hypocrisy "stubborn [and] "pig headed," you might have better luck talking to the gals. >But then again what >do I know I'm just a man. =) Yeah... it's rough... us fellas got to stick together. Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 - Dharma <deva <> Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:32 AM Re: Re: evolution ? > Hey Jeremy! Hey! I was merely pointing out a very real concern in our society. I wasn't pointing any fingers.. no need to get jumpy fella =). I was also being tongue-in -cheek at several points in my email as I hope was evident *the A. Montagu reference etc.* . The fact remains that double standards are indulged in by society and gender stereotypes do cut both ways. The fact remains that many of Steinem's ravings sound strikingly similar to hate propaganda. Women do have some unfair advantages in society whether they would admit it or not. Some feminists are bold in their desire to be treated as equals but then when they have to same some of the stark realities that men have had to deal with for centuries (war), they hide behind these same stereotypes that they supposedly abhor. Need I remind anyone of the Gulf War? And...I didn't find Steinem cute in her writings. She , of course , did some good for women but also a heck of allot of bad for humankind as a whole .. It seems odd that many feminists who preach that they only want equality get so incredibly riled up whenever any of their beliefs are even questioned in the slightest. Whenever I, or colleagues of mine, try to state some of the misfortunes that befall males in our society due to unfair gender based stereotypes, to some feminists we always get a response similar to "oh you think you have it bad, well most men are insensitive brutes, yadda yadda yadda." Many feminists state in one breath that they treat everyone as equals regardless or gender and then in the very next spew a barrage of embittered male bashing rhetoric...Doesn't sound cute, Doesn't sound like equality..it sounds like disgusting hypocrisy to me. It is extremely upsetting and depressing to me that these same self proclaimed "compassionate feminists" are so stubborn, pig headed and unwilling to listen to the same story from a different prospective. But then again what do I know I'm just a man. =) Take care, Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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