Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 "If we consider material progress, we see that research started by one person can always be continued by another. But this in not possible with spiritual progress. The realization we talk about in the Buddha-dharma is something that has to be accomplished by the individual. No one else can do it for us." -The Dalai Lama This statement is and is not true. Each individual must recapitulate the journey of his spiritual ancestors before progress can be made. A careful consideration of the history of humanity reveals that the collective unconscious is arising. This arising is a subtle one involving the union of the mystic mind and the sacred heart. At present we still lack the proper to tools calibrate and measure this shift. Yet, all we have to do to confirm that progress is being made, however incrementally, is look at the marvel of this forum wherein we gather from the corners of the world to share what is common to us all. Interfaith discussions abound everywhere. My daughter told me the other day, "They just don't get it, Buddha and Christ....these are the same!" She is sixteen years old. I did not come to realize this until I was almost thirty something. She is a vegetarian by deliberate and personal conscientious choice. More importantly, she shares these values with her social peers almost all of whom come from families wherein religion is still an instrument of oppression and conspicuous consumption is considered a right conferred by a blind belief in 'manifest destiny.' Now this is true spiritual progess on an exponential scale unprecedented in our cultural past! -white wolfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > "If we consider material progress, we see that research started by one person can always be continued by another. But this in not possible with spiritual progress. > The realization we talk about in the Buddha-dharma is something that has to be accomplished by the individual. No one else can do it for us." > -The Dalai Lama > > This statement is and is not true. Each individual must recapitulate the journey of his spiritual ancestors before progress can be made. A careful consideration of the history of humanity reveals that the collective unconscious is arising. This arising is a subtle one involving the union of the mystic mind and the sacred heart. At present we still lack the proper to tools calibrate and measure this shift. Yet, all we have to do to confirm that progress is being made, however incrementally, is look at the marvel of this forum wherein we gather from the corners of the world to share what is common to us all. Interfaith discussions abound everywhere. My daughter told me the other day, "They just don't get it, Buddha and Christ....these are the same!" She is sixteen years old. I did not come to realize this until I was almost thirty something. She is a vegetarian by deliberate and personal conscientious choice. More importantly, she shares these values with her social peers almost all of whom come from families wherein religion is still an instrument of oppression and conspicuous consumption is considered a right conferred by a blind belief in 'manifest destiny.' Now this is true spiritual progess on an exponential scale unprecedented in our cultural past! > -white wolfe Namaste All, I respect the DL but he isn't a realised person as such, my impression anyway. The everyday teachings are good but there's a lot of reincarnation stuff associated with him. When he took to eating meat in violation of Gautama Buddha's teaching, I wasn't impressed either. So although he is a great teacher and politician, he doesn't seem to be in the same realised vein as Ramana or Mahraj etc. I still read him and have his books though.....ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Tony: > I respect the DL but he isn't a realised person as such, Exactly. Realized persons do not exist. The one that is realized is not a person, even though he may be quite a character! :-) > my impression anyway. The everyday teachings are good but there's a lot of > reincarnation stuff associated with him. When he took to eating meat > in violation of Gautama Buddha's teaching, I wasn't impressed either. I'm sure he wasn't trying to. > So although he is a great teacher and politician, he doesn't seem to > be in the same realised vein as Ramana or Mahraj etc. Things always "seem" to be a certain way. That is simply the nature of seeming. > I still read him and have his books though.....ONS Tony. Enjoy, Mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 tonysan.... methinks that you missed the entire purpose of my citiation and did not even bother to read my commentary as your non-commentary could be used to refute exactly what i am stressing....your sactimonious campare and contrast critique reveals you have not heard what i hear the DL saying....the DL comments, whatever his personal place of arrival in relationship to other great teachers, is always qualified by his deep personal humility.....he makes no particular claims for himself.....he merely accepts the responsibility of the role that has been given to him.....stressing continuously the importance of interbeing....love....joy....peace....equanimity.....is it possible your patronizing rejection of what you see as his personal hypocrisy is a projection....everytime i find myself in a dialogue like this i realize that i am not realized and return to my pillow....sit and meditate and look deeply into my beloved mirror....^^~~~~~~ .....i embrace the buddha, the dharma and the sangha to be in you..... further up and further in, white wolfe - Tony O'Clery <aoclery <> Monday, May 14, 2001 10:22 AM Re: practice makes perfect > , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > > "If we consider material progress, we see that research started by > one person can always be continued by another. But this in not > possible with spiritual progress. > > The realization we talk about in the Buddha-dharma is something > that has to be accomplished by the individual. No one else can do it > for us." > > -The Dalai Lama > > > > This statement is and is not true. Each individual must recapitulate > the journey of his spiritual ancestors before progress can be made. > A careful consideration of the history of humanity reveals that the > collective unconscious is arising. This arising is a subtle one > involving the union of the mystic mind and the sacred heart. At > present we still lack the proper to tools calibrate and measure this > shift. Yet, all we have to do to confirm that progress is being made, > however incrementally, is look at the marvel of this forum wherein we > gather from the corners of the world to share what is common to us > all. Interfaith discussions abound everywhere. My daughter told me > the other day, "They just don't get it, Buddha and Christ....these > are the same!" She is sixteen years old. I did not come to realize > this until I was almost thirty something. She is a vegetarian by > deliberate and personal conscientious choice. More importantly, she > shares these values with her social peers almost all of whom come from > families wherein religion is still an instrument of oppression and > conspicuous consumption is considered a right conferred by a blind > belief in 'manifest destiny.' Now this is true spiritual progess on > an exponential scale unprecedented in our cultural past! > > -white wolfe > > Namaste All, > > I respect the DL but he isn't a realised person as such, my impression > anyway. The everyday teachings are good but there's a lot of > reincarnation stuff associated with him. When he took to eating meat > in violation of Gautama Buddha's teaching, I wasn't impressed either. > > So although he is a great teacher and politician, he doesn't seem to > be in the same realised vein as Ramana or Mahraj etc. > > I still read him and have his books though.....ONS Tony. > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > tonysan.... Namaste, Nothing sanctimonious, just observation that's all. I read his books yet he violates the Buddha's Teaching on meat. Or did? He also is a politician, and has made quite a few political statements and trips. So I see him as a religious leader as opposed to say a spiritual one. I would doubt that he is realised like Ramana. That doesn't take anything away from him, it just doesn't attribute things to him that aren't so. With regard to meat eating, his sister's? restaurant in Bangalore serves a lot of meat dishes and plays a lot of rock and roll music. I have eaten in there it is of MG Road. ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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