Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 - White Wolfe <valemar <>; <NondualitySalon > Friday, May 18, 2001 6:43 AM Fw: [thomasmerton] Fw: more poetry between mark & mira > > - > White Wolfe <valemar > <>; <NondualitySalon > > Friday, May 18, 2001 6:00 AM > Fw: [thomasmerton] Fw: more poetry between mark & > mira > > > > > > - > > ken phelan <kenphelan > > <thomasmerton> > > Friday, May 18, 2001 2:40 AM > > Re: [thomasmerton] Fw: more poetry between mark > & > > mira > > > > > > > somehow, my friend, you may be speaking the secret of today's new > > mysticism, > > > the new action of the Holy Spirit washing over so many in the lay > > > population, and that is the glorification of the flesh, of the world, of > > > joy-in-life, of physical and carnal love, of feelings..........deep and > > > paradoxical and mystical human feelings which are the ying and yang > > > vocabulary of non-duality. > > > > > > bless you, my friend, for your courage......... > > > > > > ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "White Wolfe" <valemar > > > thomasmerton > > > <thomasmerton>, "Mary Rose" > <holyroses24, > > > "Skyeryder" <Skyeryder, "Mary Bianco" <mary, > > > "robert amory" <raaaa1234, "Robert Carey" > > > <Robert.Carey, "Gretchen Thompson" <gretchen > > > [thomasmerton] Fw: more poetry between mark & > > mira > > > Thu, 17 May 2001 14:37:11 -0700 > > > > > > > > > - > > > White Wolfe > > > ; NondualitySalon > > > Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:33 PM > > > more poetry between mark & mira > > > > > > > > > dear friends.... > > > > > > to get this you must go deep into all the traditions of > non-duality....do > > > not assume that we do not know what we know and know not what we are and > > are > > > not doing.....st francis had st claire....st john had st > > theresa.....anthony > > > had cleopatra.....king david had bathsheba....dante had > beatrice.....bonny > > > had cylde (ouch!)....the divine must have the mundane.....the sacred the > > > profane.....non-duality is always arising.....are you aroused > > > yet!......^^~~~~~ > > > > > > further up and further in, > > > > > > white wolfe > > > > > > the translucent edge > > > > > > > > > > > > ".when only cinder remains rub my ash over your body.." > > > > > > > > > -Mirabai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogini, come with me > > > > > > > > > > > > there is too much of me > > > > > > > > > > > > for you, i am waiting, lusting just for you > > > > > > where sensuality turns what is into what is not > > > > > > where cool waters lapping refine hot sands > > > > > > wetly kissing all that is deep and dark in the earth > > > > > > arousing in all lustful things glistening warmth > > > > > > > > > > > > come to me, yogini > > > > > > > > > > > > there is not enough of you > > > > > > > > > > > > lost i am lost in my lusting self am i > > lost > > > > > > hidden beyond discovery beyond hidden > > > > > > deep inside the slanting shadows inside > > > deep > > > > > > where returning sunlight sinking dies and returns > > > > > > deep within the silver arms of the > forest > > > within deep > > > > > > > > > > > > come to me, dark one > > > > > > > > > > > > there is more than enough of me for you > > > > > > > > > > > > i am nothing without your love and fire > > > > > > alone in the darkness within the sweating night > > > > > > drowning in the primal water beneath water > > > > > > dead in the holy darkness beyond the light > > > > > > thirsty for the salt on your skin that brings life > > > > > > > > > > > > there can never be too much of you for me > > > > > > > > > > > > dark one, come with me > > > > > > > > > > > > the less there is of me the more there is of you > > > > > > > > > > > > i become something more when i am in > you > > > > > > come find me sitting at the > disappearing > > > edge > > > > > > i am musk dazzling in the drifting > > > starlight > > > > > > darkly dancing in the silver moonshadows > > > > > > waiting for you to unleash the flood within me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mirabai, take me into you > > > > > > > > > > > > the more you come to me the more i come in you > > > > > > > > > > > > come, your lover beckons you to come > > > surrender > > > > > > come lie with him at the glistening invisible edge > > > > > > drift upon the indigo waves of smoking > > > incense > > > > > > dancing naked inside shifting silver > > > moonlight > > > > > > if you come to me burning i can come > with > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > take me into you, mirabai > > > > > > > > > > > > and when the quicksilver moonlight > > quickens > > > > > > igniting our smoldering bower into a > holy > > > pyre > > > > > > we will arise, my beloved, from the > > flaming > > > cinders > > > > > > gently rub sweet ashes each one over > the > > > other > > > > > > as two twisting flame upon flame > twisting > > > as one > > > > > > > > > > > > mira, come with mark and mark will come in you, mira > > > > > > > > > > > > drifting through the moon and beyond > the > > > stars > > > > > > > > > > > > coming together at the blue edge of all creation celebrating > > > > > > just you in me, my beloved, just me in you > > > > > > coming at the translucent edge of an awakening day! > > > > > > > > > > > > mark christopher valentine > > > > > > (may 16, 2001) > > > > > > Falling higher in love > > > I climb > > > you > > > > > > I ascend to your desire > > > lavishing myself upon your humid flesh > > > enraging your craving > > > drawn toward > > > a holy fire > > > screaming in an exalted > > > disclosure of bliss > > > your gentle hardness > > > within my reciprocal longing > > > quenches my intolerable thirst > > > for the unconditional deliverance > > > of your virgin territories > > > drowning in the cosmos of your eyes > > > boundless passion arises > > > rejoicing in the enervation of your reticence > > > my senses quiver > > > infused with your fragrant breath > > > the intense collision > > > with the infinite > > > when two > > > become one > > > drenched in your exquisite effluence > > > I descend to my surrender > > > > > > Falling higher in love > > > I climb > > > you > > > > > > > > > Valentine > > > > > > 05.17.01 > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > www. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside > > > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different > than > > > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > > Awareness. > > > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home > is > > > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > > > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > > spontaneously > > > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 , "Mirror" <mirror@u...> wrote: > Tony: > > Not really aroused, but I did think of Mirabai and Krishna. Mirabai > achieved her moksha by pure Bhakti and merging with Krishna, who was > her Ishtadevata or God Form. This is not a sensual love of course, > but a Divine Union. > > Truly Tony, please take no offense, but what is the difference? > Distinctions are as real as you believe them to be. Splitting up love > between divine love and mundane love, is creating a duality where > there is none. There is only love, and its divinity is as mundane as > its profanity is divine. > The merging of which you speak, is the dance of the creator with > itself, and this dance has no predetermined choreography. It is the > heartbeat of creation, were the lover merges into the beloved, in its > myriad ways through its myriad forms. Once the dance and the merging > are understood, there are infinte rhythms to enjoy and dance to. > Love, > Mira Namaste Mira, Unfortunately there is a big difference between Divine Love and an attachment to 'getting it off'. One is expansive and the other is attached to ego enjoyment masquerading as Tantra. The Love of the Bhakti is none other than the egoless Divine Energy, the Bhakti progresses to being the source itself. Within energy illusion of course. Sexual love is attachment and is basically a bodily function like eating or defeacating. I notice on TV recently that there is a part of the brain that causes orgasm in woman, so its pretty mundane stuff. If we gave every spiritual seeking woman a hand held switch to an implant to sit and press it all day. Do you honestly think it would lead to liberation?????? Probably fatigue, or boredom. If one is talking of raising the K, then this will not bring moksha either, siddhis perhaps. The Tantra talk about all this is distorted and perverted exotericims of the esoteric meaning. However they are all experiences and stages that people go through. Depends where one is at, a full bucket cannot comprehend a full pond, or lake an ocean. OM Namah Sivaya......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 >>Mira: >>snip< >> The merging of which you speak, is the dance of the creator with >> itself, and this dance has no predetermined choreography. It is the >> heartbeat of creation, were the lover merges into the beloved, in >its >> myriad ways through its myriad forms. Once the dance and the merging >> are understood, there are infinte rhythms to enjoy and dance to. > >Tony: >Namaste Mira, > >Unfortunately there is a big difference between Divine Love and an >attachment to 'getting it off'. One is expansive and the other is > >snip< > >Sexual love is attachment and is basically a bodily function like >eating or defeacating. > >snip< > >If we gave every spiritual seeking woman a hand held switch to an >implant to sit and press it all day. Good grief, Tony! Whose mind is in the gutter? Not Mira's... Did you really have to smear your, er, stuff across the same post with her beautiful and poetic sharing? >I notice on TV recently that there is a part of >the brain that causes orgasm in woman, so its pretty mundane stuff. Tony, the brain is necessary for everything we think and say... if that makes everything "pretty mundane," why single out one thing? >If one is talking of raising the K, then this will not bring moksha >either, siddhis perhaps. Well, there's a novel way to get siddhis! )))))))) If you are referring to sexual tantra, how do you know it won't lead to moksha? It is one of the "extraordinary yogas" of Tibetan Tantra, and they say that if one pursues any one of the extraordinary yogas far enough, it will lead all the way. >However they are all experiences and stages that people go through. >Depends where one is at, a full bucket cannot comprehend a full pond, >or lake an ocean. I name you the winner of today's Big Bucket Award! Congratulations, Tony. ))) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: Namaste and blessing Dharma, Thanks for the bucket award. However no offence was meant. I am not vacillating between attachment and aversion. I do not believe that any K or Tibetan or Indian Tantra can achieve Moksha by itself. As is well covered by Ramana's talks on K etc. What is Tibetan anyway? Buddhism? Lamaism? Bon Po? Bardoism? Tantra? Om Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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