Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Dear Tony: I wrote: > Now tell us something about > "absolute being" [your quote] > and > "absolute-nothing-less" [your quote] You answered: > You are the realised one, so you tell me...... Ah! ah! Do you think it will make a difference to you, if I did? So far you only read, copy-cat, quote and dispute... You have not readied yourself at all for inner, outer and reciprocal agreement. That reading, copy-catting, quoting and disputing that you do, is the epitome of exclusive 'objective inquiry'. All the energy you have put out so far, is to get something for nothing from someone or somewhere else... That is a lot of work, unnecessary indeed... You are still waiting for some external answer to set you free. The answer is already freely available... You need nobody but yourself to (re)discover that inwardly AND outwardly, subjectively AND objectively. What you do is exclusively (believe me) questioning, querying and questing the external world of objects for an external answer. (As in grammar: object vs. subject or accusativus vs. nominativus.) 'Subjective inquiry' is letting the answer 'well up' via your inner self from 'absolute being'. 'Objective inquiry' is letting the answers 'flow to' you via outer selves from 'absolute being'. Ko Ham? So Ham! (Better not to translate this yet, lest we get in trouble) (Oops... I have a penance coming up!) As long as 'objective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have hardly understood and started 'subjective inquiry'. As long as 'subjective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have hardly understood and started 'objective inquiry'. Initially they go side by side, at first quite out of balance, then they go hand in hand to find their mutual support and gain equivalence, then they join hands to finally embrace into unconditional life, wisdom and love. As soon as one decides not to focus solely on the action and answers of 'objective enquiry', 'subjective enquiry' starts. Eventually the two enquiries merge and disappear into absolute evidence of being, truth and love. (Sat Chit Ananda) As soon as 'subjective enquiry' has started and the exclusive importance of 'objective enquiry' starts to taper off and matches the importance of 'subjective inquiry', the whole shebang' will turn evidence of absolute being. The one enquiry is not better than the other... A clear balance has to occur, at which instance (re)merging takes place and distinctions and dualities disappear into absolute reality. This message differs from many commentaries, understandings and usual translations of Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's. authentic and direct verbal messages. This message does not differ from Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's authentic and direct verbal messages. For all of this, a balanced and comprehensive use of our five (inwardly and outwardly directed) senses are a prerequisite so that our sixth sense (the mind) which is rooted in and resting upon the other five, can emerge, function and serve effectively, guidingly and efficiently, rather than controllingly, directingly and manipulatively. If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological. Simultaneously, from absolute being 'subject-and-object' arise, while they co-incidentally merge-back-in simultaneously. Such is divine leela... Just add water (space) and stir (time), voila: life... which for our species means 'human/divine life' So? Hammm! So Yummy! Love, Tony, Wim PS. By the way, the 'sixth sense' in the sense of Extra Sensory Perception where 'extra' has taken on the meaning of 'outside' as in extra-curricular or extra-mural, it is a flawed understanding of ESP. However when we use 'extra' in the meaning of additional or free, we can use the word ESP without restriction... This E+SP (as opposed to E-SP) enables us to 'aware ourselves' of finer, more intricate and subtle energies, inter-connections and interferences (metaphysical) as well as 'way' grosser and grander physical realities on a cosmic scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Hi Wim, >As long as 'objective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have >hardly understood and started 'subjective inquiry'. >As long as 'subjective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have >hardly understood and started 'objective inquiry'. > >Initially they go side by side, at first quite out of balance, then they go >hand in hand to find their mutual support and gain equivalence, then they >join hands to finally embrace into unconditional life, wisdom and love. Very insightful... and good guidance! >As soon as one decides not to focus solely on the action and answers of >'objective enquiry', 'subjective enquiry' starts. Eventually the two >enquiries merge and disappear into absolute evidence of being, truth and >love. (Sat Chit Ananda) > >As soon as 'subjective enquiry' has started and the exclusive importance of >'objective enquiry' starts to taper off and matches the importance of >'subjective inquiry', the whole shebang' will turn evidence of absolute >being. > >The one enquiry is not better than the other... A clear balance has to >occur, at which instance (re)merging takes place and distinctions and >dualities disappear into absolute reality. > >This message differs from many commentaries, understandings and usual >translations of Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, Avalokiteshvara's, >et cetera's. authentic and direct verbal messages. > >This message does not differ from Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, >Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's authentic and direct verbal messages. ))))))))))) LOL ))))))))))) I love it!! )) >For all of this, a balanced and comprehensive use of our five (inwardly and >outwardly directed) senses are a prerequisite so that our sixth sense (the >mind) which is rooted in and resting upon the other five, can emerge, >function and serve effectively, guidingly and efficiently, rather than >controllingly, directingly and manipulatively. > >If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the >other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological. In the sense of illness, severe imbalance? Yes, I think that's so, although the one who is solely oriented to the objective may not be recognized as ill. And in India, the one who is solely subjective may be recognized as a sort of saint and taken care of with reverence. >Simultaneously, from absolute being 'subject-and-object' arise, while they >co-incidentally merge-back-in simultaneously. Such is divine leela... Just >add water (space) and stir (time), voila: life... which for our species >means 'human/divine life' Beautiful! Love, Dharma >PS. >By the way, the 'sixth sense' in the sense of Extra Sensory Perception where >'extra' has taken on the meaning of 'outside' as in extra-curricular or >extra-mural, it is a flawed understanding of ESP. However when we use >'extra' in the meaning of additional or free, we can use the word ESP >without restriction... Yes... very interesting. >This E+SP (as opposed to E-SP) enables us to 'aware ourselves' of finer, >more intricate and subtle energies, inter-connections and interferences >(metaphysical) as well as 'way' grosser and grander physical realities on a >cosmic scale. Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2001 Report Share Posted May 19, 2001 Dear Dharma, I wrote: > >If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the > >other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological. You wrote: > In the sense of illness, severe imbalance? Yes, I think that's so, > although the one who is solely oriented to the objective may not be > recognized as ill. And in India, the one who is solely subjective may be > recognized as a sort of saint and taken care of with reverence. Good observation...and I appreciate the way you put it... Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2001 Report Share Posted May 19, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > Dear Tony: > > I wrote: > > Now tell us something about > > "absolute being" [your quote] > > and > > "absolute-nothing-less" [your quote] > > You answered: > > You are the realised one, so you tell me...... > > Ah! ah! > Do you think it will make a difference to you, if I did? > > So far you only read, copy-cat, quote and dispute... > You have not readied yourself at all for inner, outer and reciprocal > agreement. > > That reading, copy-catting, quoting and disputing that you do, is the > epitome of exclusive 'objective inquiry'. > > All the energy you have put out so far, is to get something for nothing from > someone or somewhere else... That is a lot of work, unnecessary indeed... > > You are still waiting for some external answer to set you free. > > The answer is already freely available... You need nobody but yourself to > (re)discover that inwardly AND outwardly, subjectively AND objectively. > > What you do is exclusively (believe me) questioning, querying and questing > the external world of objects for an external answer. > (As in grammar: object vs. subject or accusativus vs. nominativus.) > > 'Subjective inquiry' is letting the answer 'well up' via your inner self > from 'absolute being'. > 'Objective inquiry' is letting the answers 'flow to' you via outer selves > from 'absolute being'. > > Ko Ham? > So Ham! > (Better not to translate this yet, lest we get in trouble) > (Oops... I have a penance coming up!) > > As long as 'objective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have > hardly understood and started 'subjective inquiry'. > As long as 'subjective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have > hardly understood and started 'objective inquiry'. > > Initially they go side by side, at first quite out of balance, then they go > hand in hand to find their mutual support and gain equivalence, then they > join hands to finally embrace into unconditional life, wisdom and love. > > As soon as one decides not to focus solely on the action and answers of > 'objective enquiry', 'subjective enquiry' starts. Eventually the two > enquiries merge and disappear into absolute evidence of being, truth and > love. (Sat Chit Ananda) > > As soon as 'subjective enquiry' has started and the exclusive importance of > 'objective enquiry' starts to taper off and matches the importance of > 'subjective inquiry', the whole shebang' will turn evidence of absolute > being. > > The one enquiry is not better than the other... A clear balance has to > occur, at which instance (re)merging takes place and distinctions and > dualities disappear into absolute reality. > > This message differs from many commentaries, understandings and usual > translations of Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, Avalokiteshvara's, > et cetera's. authentic and direct verbal messages. > > This message does not differ from Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, > Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's authentic and direct verbal messages. > > For all of this, a balanced and comprehensive use of our five (inwardly and > outwardly directed) senses are a prerequisite so that our sixth sense (the > mind) which is rooted in and resting upon the other five, can emerge, > function and serve effectively, guidingly and efficiently, rather than > controllingly, directingly and manipulatively. > > If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the > other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological. > > Simultaneously, from absolute being 'subject-and-object' arise, while they > co-incidentally merge-back-in simultaneously. Such is divine leela... Just > add water (space) and stir (time), voila: life... which for our species > means 'human/divine life' > > So? Hammm! > So Yummy! > > Love, Tony, Wim > > PS. > By the way, the 'sixth sense' in the sense of Extra Sensory Perception where > 'extra' has taken on the meaning of 'outside' as in extra-curricular or > extra-mural, it is a flawed understanding of ESP. However when we use > 'extra' in the meaning of additional or free, we can use the word ESP > without restriction... > This E+SP (as opposed to E-SP) enables us to 'aware ourselves' of finer, > more intricate and subtle energies, inter-connections and interferences > (metaphysical) as well as 'way' grosser and grander physical realities on a > cosmic scale. Namast Wim. I don't know who you are talking about but it isn't me!!! I told you before we are on different paths its apples and oranges. I'm not into all this mind stuff and K machines that you invent. It is all diversion and bondage. I am into 'Who am I?' and that is it, nothing else. All else is just amusing ourselves on this list due to karma. I like this list because it is free and not so full of psychoses, deviancy etc like the K-list. It is hard for people to see the wood for the trees. ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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