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Dear Tony:

 

I wrote:

> Now tell us something about

> "absolute being" [your quote]

> and

> "absolute-nothing-less" [your quote]

 

You answered:

> You are the realised one, so you tell me......

 

Ah! ah!

Do you think it will make a difference to you, if I did?

 

So far you only read, copy-cat, quote and dispute...

You have not readied yourself at all for inner, outer and reciprocal

agreement.

 

That reading, copy-catting, quoting and disputing that you do, is the

epitome of exclusive 'objective inquiry'.

 

All the energy you have put out so far, is to get something for nothing from

someone or somewhere else... That is a lot of work, unnecessary indeed...

 

You are still waiting for some external answer to set you free.

 

The answer is already freely available... You need nobody but yourself to

(re)discover that inwardly AND outwardly, subjectively AND objectively.

 

What you do is exclusively (believe me) questioning, querying and questing

the external world of objects for an external answer.

(As in grammar: object vs. subject or accusativus vs. nominativus.)

 

'Subjective inquiry' is letting the answer 'well up' via your inner self

from 'absolute being'.

'Objective inquiry' is letting the answers 'flow to' you via outer selves

from 'absolute being'.

 

Ko Ham?

So Ham!

(Better not to translate this yet, lest we get in trouble)

(Oops... I have a penance coming up!)

 

As long as 'objective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have

hardly understood and started 'subjective inquiry'.

As long as 'subjective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have

hardly understood and started 'objective inquiry'.

 

Initially they go side by side, at first quite out of balance, then they go

hand in hand to find their mutual support and gain equivalence, then they

join hands to finally embrace into unconditional life, wisdom and love.

 

As soon as one decides not to focus solely on the action and answers of

'objective enquiry', 'subjective enquiry' starts. Eventually the two

enquiries merge and disappear into absolute evidence of being, truth and

love. (Sat Chit Ananda)

 

As soon as 'subjective enquiry' has started and the exclusive importance of

'objective enquiry' starts to taper off and matches the importance of

'subjective inquiry', the whole shebang' will turn evidence of absolute

being.

 

The one enquiry is not better than the other... A clear balance has to

occur, at which instance (re)merging takes place and distinctions and

dualities disappear into absolute reality.

 

This message differs from many commentaries, understandings and usual

translations of Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, Avalokiteshvara's,

et cetera's. authentic and direct verbal messages.

 

This message does not differ from Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's,

Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's authentic and direct verbal messages.

 

For all of this, a balanced and comprehensive use of our five (inwardly and

outwardly directed) senses are a prerequisite so that our sixth sense (the

mind) which is rooted in and resting upon the other five, can emerge,

function and serve effectively, guidingly and efficiently, rather than

controllingly, directingly and manipulatively.

 

If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the

other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological.

 

Simultaneously, from absolute being 'subject-and-object' arise, while they

co-incidentally merge-back-in simultaneously. Such is divine leela... Just

add water (space) and stir (time), voila: life... which for our species

means 'human/divine life'

 

So? Hammm!

So Yummy!

 

Love, Tony, Wim

 

PS.

By the way, the 'sixth sense' in the sense of Extra Sensory Perception where

'extra' has taken on the meaning of 'outside' as in extra-curricular or

extra-mural, it is a flawed understanding of ESP. However when we use

'extra' in the meaning of additional or free, we can use the word ESP

without restriction...

This E+SP (as opposed to E-SP) enables us to 'aware ourselves' of finer,

more intricate and subtle energies, inter-connections and interferences

(metaphysical) as well as 'way' grosser and grander physical realities on a

cosmic scale.

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Hi Wim,

>As long as 'objective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have

>hardly understood and started 'subjective inquiry'.

>As long as 'subjective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost, you have

>hardly understood and started 'objective inquiry'.

>

>Initially they go side by side, at first quite out of balance, then they go

>hand in hand to find their mutual support and gain equivalence, then they

>join hands to finally embrace into unconditional life, wisdom and love.

 

Very insightful... and good guidance! :)

>As soon as one decides not to focus solely on the action and answers of

>'objective enquiry', 'subjective enquiry' starts. Eventually the two

>enquiries merge and disappear into absolute evidence of being, truth and

>love. (Sat Chit Ananda)

>

>As soon as 'subjective enquiry' has started and the exclusive importance of

>'objective enquiry' starts to taper off and matches the importance of

>'subjective inquiry', the whole shebang' will turn evidence of absolute

>being.

>

>The one enquiry is not better than the other... A clear balance has to

>occur, at which instance (re)merging takes place and distinctions and

>dualities disappear into absolute reality.

>

>This message differs from many commentaries, understandings and usual

>translations of Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's, Avalokiteshvara's,

>et cetera's. authentic and direct verbal messages.

>

>This message does not differ from Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's,

>Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's authentic and direct verbal messages.

 

:)))))))))))) LOL :)))))))))))) I love it!! :)))

>For all of this, a balanced and comprehensive use of our five (inwardly and

>outwardly directed) senses are a prerequisite so that our sixth sense (the

>mind) which is rooted in and resting upon the other five, can emerge,

>function and serve effectively, guidingly and efficiently, rather than

>controllingly, directingly and manipulatively.

>

>If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the

>other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological.

 

In the sense of illness, severe imbalance? Yes, I think that's so,

although the one who is solely oriented to the objective may not be

recognized as ill. And in India, the one who is solely subjective may be

recognized as a sort of saint and taken care of with reverence.

>Simultaneously, from absolute being 'subject-and-object' arise, while they

>co-incidentally merge-back-in simultaneously. Such is divine leela... Just

>add water (space) and stir (time), voila: life... which for our species

>means 'human/divine life'

 

Beautiful! :)

 

Love,

Dharma

>PS.

>By the way, the 'sixth sense' in the sense of Extra Sensory Perception where

>'extra' has taken on the meaning of 'outside' as in extra-curricular or

>extra-mural, it is a flawed understanding of ESP. However when we use

>'extra' in the meaning of additional or free, we can use the word ESP

>without restriction...

 

Yes... very interesting. :)

>This E+SP (as opposed to E-SP) enables us to 'aware ourselves' of finer,

>more intricate and subtle energies, inter-connections and interferences

>(metaphysical) as well as 'way' grosser and grander physical realities on a

>cosmic scale.

 

Yes!

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Dear Dharma,

 

I wrote:

> >If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of the

> >other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns pathological.

 

You wrote:

> In the sense of illness, severe imbalance? Yes, I think that's so,

> although the one who is solely oriented to the objective may not be

> recognized as ill. And in India, the one who is solely subjective may be

> recognized as a sort of saint and taken care of with reverence.

 

Good observation...and I appreciate the way you put it...

 

Love, Wim

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, "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote:

> Dear Tony:

>

> I wrote:

> > Now tell us something about

> > "absolute being" [your quote]

> > and

> > "absolute-nothing-less" [your quote]

>

> You answered:

> > You are the realised one, so you tell me......

>

> Ah! ah!

> Do you think it will make a difference to you, if I did?

>

> So far you only read, copy-cat, quote and dispute...

> You have not readied yourself at all for inner, outer and reciprocal

> agreement.

>

> That reading, copy-catting, quoting and disputing that you do, is

the

> epitome of exclusive 'objective inquiry'.

>

> All the energy you have put out so far, is to get something for

nothing from

> someone or somewhere else... That is a lot of work, unnecessary

indeed...

>

> You are still waiting for some external answer to set you free.

>

> The answer is already freely available... You need nobody but

yourself to

> (re)discover that inwardly AND outwardly, subjectively AND

objectively.

>

> What you do is exclusively (believe me) questioning, querying and

questing

> the external world of objects for an external answer.

> (As in grammar: object vs. subject or accusativus vs. nominativus.)

>

> 'Subjective inquiry' is letting the answer 'well up' via your inner

self

> from 'absolute being'.

> 'Objective inquiry' is letting the answers 'flow to' you via outer

selves

> from 'absolute being'.

>

> Ko Ham?

> So Ham!

> (Better not to translate this yet, lest we get in trouble)

> (Oops... I have a penance coming up!)

>

> As long as 'objective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost,

you have

> hardly understood and started 'subjective inquiry'.

> As long as 'subjective enquiry' is what you do first and foremost,

you have

> hardly understood and started 'objective inquiry'.

>

> Initially they go side by side, at first quite out of balance, then

they go

> hand in hand to find their mutual support and gain equivalence, then

they

> join hands to finally embrace into unconditional life, wisdom and

love.

>

> As soon as one decides not to focus solely on the action and answers

of

> 'objective enquiry', 'subjective enquiry' starts. Eventually the two

> enquiries merge and disappear into absolute evidence of being, truth

and

> love. (Sat Chit Ananda)

>

> As soon as 'subjective enquiry' has started and the exclusive

importance of

> 'objective enquiry' starts to taper off and matches the importance

of

> 'subjective inquiry', the whole shebang' will turn evidence of

absolute

> being.

>

> The one enquiry is not better than the other... A clear balance has

to

> occur, at which instance (re)merging takes place and distinctions

and

> dualities disappear into absolute reality.

>

> This message differs from many commentaries, understandings and

usual

> translations of Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's, Krishna's,

Avalokiteshvara's,

> et cetera's. authentic and direct verbal messages.

>

> This message does not differ from Ramana's, Buddha's, Jesus's,

Krishna's,

> Avalokiteshvara's, et cetera's authentic and direct verbal messages.

>

> For all of this, a balanced and comprehensive use of our five

(inwardly and

> outwardly directed) senses are a prerequisite so that our sixth

sense (the

> mind) which is rooted in and resting upon the other five, can

emerge,

> function and serve effectively, guidingly and efficiently, rather

than

> controllingly, directingly and manipulatively.

>

> If one inquiry (objective or subjective) is used at the exclusion of

the

> other (subjective or objective), each one of them turns

pathological.

>

> Simultaneously, from absolute being 'subject-and-object' arise,

while they

> co-incidentally merge-back-in simultaneously. Such is divine

leela... Just

> add water (space) and stir (time), voila: life... which for our

species

> means 'human/divine life'

>

> So? Hammm!

> So Yummy!

>

> Love, Tony, Wim

>

> PS.

> By the way, the 'sixth sense' in the sense of Extra Sensory

Perception where

> 'extra' has taken on the meaning of 'outside' as in extra-curricular

or

> extra-mural, it is a flawed understanding of ESP. However when we

use

> 'extra' in the meaning of additional or free, we can use the word

ESP

> without restriction...

> This E+SP (as opposed to E-SP) enables us to 'aware ourselves' of

finer,

> more intricate and subtle energies, inter-connections and

interferences

> (metaphysical) as well as 'way' grosser and grander physical

realities on a

> cosmic scale.

 

Namast Wim.

 

I don't know who you are talking about but it isn't me!!! I told you

before we are on different paths its apples and oranges. I'm not into

all this mind stuff and K machines that you invent. It is all

diversion and bondage. I am into 'Who am I?' and that is it, nothing

else. All else is just amusing ourselves on this list due to karma.

 

I like this list because it is free and not so full of psychoses,

deviancy etc like the K-list. It is hard for people to see the wood

for the trees.

 

ONS Tony.

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