Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 dear sisters and brothers of the sacred packe....i thought that i would dedicate this 'pig" poetry to tony, but then i realized that it is just ever so slightly better, 'dog'gerel in fact, being wilde and free, composed of words cloven and not cloven.....(gee tony....who made you better than the DL?)......^^~~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe the truth about love (a duet between mira and mark) “The first of the Four Noble Truths is Suffering.” -The Dalai Lama mark, beloved, thank you for you…. mirabai, beloved, yes, i thank you for us thank you for all that you are to me and more thank you for making less of me so that we can become more together god has granted me my greatest wish, and the goddess has set me free and endlessly a-drift a-sail on a puny raft of uncured timbers with weak arms for a mast, a tattered shirt for a sail, a broken rudder and nothing to call my own fulfilled my deepest need and said, until you let go of even this raft break the brittle bones in your frail arms, toss your shirt to the wind, and freely drift endlessly and without effort you are not even nothing i will acknowledge as my own and embraced me with your arms my broken arms forcing me to acknowledge my deepest need thank you for what you are “i come from nothing, i am nothing, i return to nothing” i am not as verbal as you are but i do wish i could let you know how much you mean to me and so you do and so i try to tell you, but you do not hear my song you are the most precious, you are liquid gold at the heart of the blue flame that is the heart of the beloved’s sacred heart that is a snowy, cobalt and crimson rose wonderful, open, kind, loyal, reliable, warm and beautiful tedious, opinionated, truculent, faithless, fickle and ugly man on this entire planet. without woman man is nothing but a dream within a dream the earth is the first child of the womb of the universe you are the first daughter of the goddess ruling the moon oh my beloved, i come from you, i am all yours in all ways, i return to you of nothing will come something of nothing, of something returning to nothing comes true love oh, my reader, my beloved mira, mirroring, mira my beloved she has sung these words of truth and beauty in my heart she it is her words of wisdom divine and carnal, sacred and profane that i forever sing love is the infinite suffering, infinitely, infinite the suffering is love in the name of my beloved mirabai, i send you the compassionately sword of manjusri so love slaying a bodhisattva s slaying love so infinitely suffering, endlessly, suffering infinitely love becoming love becoming love mark & valentine (may 24, 2001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > dear sisters and brothers of the sacred packe....i thought that i would dedicate this 'pig" poetry to tony, but then i realized that it is just ever so slightly better, 'dog'gerel in fact, being wilde and free, composed of words cloven and not cloven.....(gee tony....who made you better than the DL?)......^^~~~~~~ > > further up and further in, > > white wolfe > the truth about love > > (a duet between mira and mark) > > > > "The first of the Four Noble Truths is Suffering." > > -The Dalai Lama > > > > mark, beloved, thank you for you.. > > > > mirabai, beloved, yes, i thank you for us > > > > thank you for all that you are to me and more > > > > thank you for making less of me so that we can become more together > > > > god has granted me my greatest wish, > > > > and the goddess has set me free and endlessly a-drift > > > > a-sail on a puny raft of uncured timbers > > with weak arms for a mast, a tattered shirt for a sail, a broken rudder > > and nothing to call my own > > > > fulfilled my deepest need > > > > and said, until you let go of even this raft > > > > break the brittle bones in your frail arms, toss your shirt to the wind, > > and freely drift endlessly and without effort > > you are not even nothing i will acknowledge as my own > > > > and embraced me with your arms > > > > my broken arms forcing me to acknowledge my deepest need > > > > thank you for what you are > > > > "i come from nothing, i am nothing, i return to nothing" > > > > i am not as verbal as you are > > > > > > but i do wish i could let you know how much you mean to me > > > > and so you do and so i try to tell you, but you do not hear my song > > > > you are the most precious, > > > > you are liquid gold at the heart of the blue flame that is the heart > > of the beloved's sacred heart that is a snowy, cobalt and crimson rose > > > > wonderful, open, kind, loyal, reliable, warm and beautiful > > > > tedious, opinionated, truculent, faithless, fickle and ugly > > > > man on this entire planet. > > > > without woman man is nothing but a dream within a dream > > > > the earth is the first child of the womb of the universe > > you are the first daughter of the goddess ruling the moon > > > > > > oh my beloved, > > > > i come from you, i am all yours in all ways, i return to you > > > > of nothing will come something of nothing, > > of something returning to nothing comes true love > > > > oh, my reader, > > > > my beloved mira, mirroring, mira my beloved > > she has sung these words of truth and beauty in my heart she > > > > it is her words of wisdom divine and carnal, sacred and profane that i forever sing > > love is the infinite suffering, infinitely, infinite the suffering is love > > > > in the name of my beloved mirabai, > > > > i send you the compassionately sword of manjusri > > > > so love slaying a bodhisattva s slaying love so > > infinitely suffering, endlessly, suffering infinitely > > love becoming love becoming love > > > > mark & valentine > > (may 24, 2001) Namaste WW, The DL quoting Gautama yes! I don't know whether I am better than the DL it would be better to ask him that question, not I. However it is an intersting point to think about the DL and Bhodisattvas. Who is further ahead, a jivanmukti or a bhodisattva or are they essentially the same thing. The DL's books are good, but not new. I suppose at his level the difference between Mahayana and Theravada is academic. ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 tonysan....mind, not-mind...when your sacred heart awakens your mystic mind you will begin to realize what Jesus meant when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead"....never met anyone, including myself, until i buried myself as an academic that was not already dead and not dead and not even know that i was neither dead or not dead who made academic distinctions between things that are indistingishable from one another....see what happens when we try to talk to much.....i end up chasing my tail and cannot even run fast enough to take a bite out of it.....^^~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe p.s. reminds me of that old joke....get a B.S. and you are full of bull-s***, get an M.S. and you are full of more s***, get and PHD and you are just piling yourself higher and drier! > > the truth about love > > > > (a duet between mira and mark) > > > > > > > > "The first of the Four Noble Truths is Suffering." > > > > -The > Dalai Lama > > > > > > > > mark, beloved, thank you for you.. > > > > > > > > mirabai, beloved, yes, i thank you for us > > > > > > > > thank you for all that you are to me and more > > > > > > > > thank you for making less of me so that we can become more together > > > > > > > > god has granted me my greatest wish, > > > > > > > > and the goddess has set me free and endlessly a-drift > > > > > > > > a-sail on a puny raft of uncured timbers > > > > with weak arms for a mast, a tattered shirt for a sail, a broken > rudder > > > > and nothing to call my own > > > > > > > > fulfilled my deepest need > > > > > > > > and said, until you let go of even this raft > > > > > > > > break the brittle bones in your frail arms, toss your shirt to the > wind, > > > > and freely drift endlessly and without effort > > > > you are not even nothing i will acknowledge as my own > > > > > > > > and embraced me with your arms > > > > > > > > my broken arms forcing me to acknowledge my deepest need > > > > > > > > thank you for what you are > > > > > > > > "i come from nothing, i am nothing, i return to nothing" > > > > > > > > i am not as verbal as you are > > > > > > > > > > > > but i do wish i could let you know how much you mean to me > > > > > > > > and so you do and so i try to tell you, but you do not hear my song > > > > > > > > you are the most precious, > > > > > > > > you are liquid gold at the heart of the blue flame that is the heart > > > > of the beloved's sacred heart that is a snowy, cobalt and crimson > rose > > > > > > > > wonderful, open, kind, loyal, reliable, warm and beautiful > > > > > > > > tedious, opinionated, truculent, faithless, fickle and ugly > > > > > > > > man on this entire planet. > > > > > > > > without woman man is nothing but a dream within a dream > > > > > > > > the earth is the first child of the womb of the universe > > > > you are the first daughter of the goddess ruling the moon > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my beloved, > > > > > > > > i come from you, i am all yours in all ways, i return to you > > > > > > > > of nothing will come something of nothing, > > > > of something returning to nothing comes true > love > > > > > > > > oh, my reader, > > > > > > > > my beloved mira, mirroring, mira my beloved > > > > she has sung these words of truth and beauty in my heart she > > > > > > > > it is her words of wisdom divine and carnal, sacred and profane that > i forever sing > > > > love is the infinite suffering, infinitely, infinite the suffering > is love > > > > > > > > in the name of my beloved mirabai, > > > > > > > > i send you the compassionately sword of manjusri > > > > > > > > so love slaying a bodhisattva s slaying > love so > > > > infinitely suffering, > endlessly, suffering infinitely > > > > love becoming love becoming love > > > > > > > > mark & valentine > > > > (may 24, 2001) > > Namaste WW, > > The DL quoting Gautama yes! I don't know whether I am better than the > DL it would be better to ask him that question, not I. However it is > an intersting point to think about the DL and Bhodisattvas. Who is > further ahead, a jivanmukti or a bhodisattva or are they essentially > the same thing. > > The DL's books are good, but not new. I suppose at his level the > difference between Mahayana and Theravada is academic. ONS...> > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > tonysan....mind, not-mind...when your sacred heart awakens your mystic mind > you will begin to realize what Jesus meant when he said, "Let the dead bury > the dead"....never met anyone, including myself, until i buried myself as an > academic that was not already dead and not dead and not even know that i was > neither dead or not dead who made academic distinctions between things that > are indistingishable from one another....see what happens when we try to > talk to much.....i end up chasing my tail and cannot even run fast enough to > take a bite out of it.....^^~~~~~ > > further up and further in, > > white wolfe Namaste WW, Yes watch out for the arse-biting! haha!!That unfortunately is the fate of humanity, it is called reincarnation. I understand where you think you are but I am on a different approach altogether. I have been through the K-deal and Love Energy Path some time ago now. I am in the amusing position of integrating all this illusory paths together. You are happy on the Love Path, I am happy on the Jnana Path that is fine, we will reach the top together after much arse-biting and howling at the moons of our mind. 'Until you reach the path, you wander in the world, With the precious form of the Sugata, Completely wrapped as in a bundle of rags, By things degrading and dirty, Here it is. You have this precious Tathagata, Wrapped in rags, Unwrap it quickly!' Arya-tathagathagarbha-sutra. I really prefer Theravada to Mahayana but I thought you would like that. Om Namah Sivaya......Tony. Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 sheez tony.... i forgezt how many new dharma doors are opening every second given that the rate of increase in the human population has reached exponential levels, but it certainly too large a number to comprehend....how about if i be taoist and say, Ten Thousand....as a former student of philosphy, comparative religion, and mystical theology you remind me of my tweens when i was going to cataloguge and decontruct every major religon in the world until i found the one true one....one day i did....i stopped practicing studying my life and i started practicing living my life..you have put yourself in one hole and me in another....i smile....a hole is a hole....if you want to label me let me help you....i am many parts zen, a few less roman catholic (as in plotinus not the pope) definitely more monotheistic than polytheistic...since, as a modern mystic, i do not believe we can 'know' anything about anything because the very process of knowing something changes it into something new, i am also a non-dualist....NETI NETI....but i do love the many varieties of buddhism....but other than zen....probably Tibetan the best....vedanta and advaita....with their propensity to deny the the real in favor of the abstract leaves me cold....which is to say, when it comes to the gnostic heresy, it is just that to me, a heresy (i adore Teilhhard de Chardin, Ken Wilber, Bede Griffeths, Stephen Hawking.....)....the duality between the spiritual and the material is the only real illusion there is.....of course there are many ways to talk about this duality, we can take consciousness and break it into pieces and create time and space, the past and the future, life and death, the body and the soul, the lover and the beloved....with endless effort we can desconstruct decontructionism itself and end up in nihilism which many seekers confuse with nothingness and think, having fallen totally into delusion (despair), they are the only awake ones because of their though-minded pragmatism....in the end the beginning is really very simple....when you awake in the morning are you eager to get up.....do you hear yourself laughing.....do you hear yourself crying....tonysan.....when i read your posts they make me happy and sad.....you seem to know which path everyone is on.....i am merely on the way....call it what you will.....white wolfe sits in amusement right now watching mark writing to tony.....why?....why ask why?....for the sheer fun of the word play....for the absolute delight in having you tell me who you think i am....whoever you say that i am, i am not....i am always moving away from nouns and adjectives into verbs and adverbs.....what i will tell you since you do not seem to hear it through 'pig poetry' (love that phrase, i do....LOL everytime i stumble onto it) too well is that the beloved is manisfesting itself....you are the reason it is all here....all these religions....all these dialgoues....it is all here for us to enjoy.....(i may have even created you to remind me how silly i can really be) the happiness and the sorrow....the laughter and the tears....the damnation and the salvation.....the war and the peace.....pick a side anyside.....just play the game, but know that you are playing the gaming you are creating and if you are losing it is because you really want to lose this time to enjoy the bitterness of defeat so that next time you can enjoy the sweetness of victory....or you can be like the white wolfe....and enjoy them both at the same time....remorselessly in love with his beloved and faithful to her and their sacred packe (all creation)....tonysan, you created all this for me to enjoy just now.....you are the beloved.....but i want to thank-you for not really being my beloved, because i love the game i am playing with my beloved better...she is prettier than you and darker and more mysterious and well, tony, she is a better version of you (ROTFLOL)....i am in love my dark one, mira, she is the beloved in the game i invite you to play....the many arise into two and the two join to create a new one....am i arising out of you tony or are you arising out of me.....who cares....the fun is in the deception that i am not you.....even though i know that i am......if you don't catch me first then i will catch you.....^^~~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe > Namaste WW, > > Yes watch out for the arse-biting! haha!!That unfortunately is the > fate of humanity, it is called reincarnation. > > I understand where you think you are but I am on a different approach > altogether. I have been through the K-deal and Love Energy Path some > time ago now. I am in the amusing position of integrating all this > illusory paths together. > > You are happy on the Love Path, I am happy on the Jnana Path that is > fine, we will reach the top together after much arse-biting and > howling at the moons of our mind. > > 'Until you reach the path, you wander in the world, > With the precious form of the Sugata, > Completely wrapped as in a bundle of rags, > By things degrading and dirty, > > Here it is. You have this precious Tathagata, > Wrapped in rags, Unwrap it quickly!' > > Arya-tathagathagarbha-sutra. > > I really prefer Theravada to Mahayana but I thought you would like > that. > > Om Namah Sivaya......Tony. > > Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > sheez tony.... > > i forgezt how many new dharma doors are opening every second given that the > rate of increase in the human population has reached exponential levels, but > it certainly too large a number to comprehend....how about if i be taoist > and say, Ten Thousand....as a former student of philosphy, comparative > religion, and mystical theology you remind me of my tweens when i was going > to cataloguge and decontruct every major religon in the world until i found > the one true one....one day i did....i stopped practicing studying my life > and i started practicing living my life..you have put yourself in one hole > and me in another....i smile....a hole is a hole....if you want to label me > let me help you....i am many parts zen, a few less roman catholic (as in > plotinus not the pope) definitely more monotheistic than > polytheistic...since, as a modern mystic, i do not believe we can 'know' > anything about anything because the very process of knowing something > changes it into something new, i am also a non-dualist....NETI NETI....but i > do love the many varieties of buddhism....but other than zen....probably > Tibetan the best....vedanta and advaita....with their propensity to deny the > the real in favor of the abstract leaves me cold....which is to say, when it > comes to the gnostic heresy, it is just that to me, a heresy (i adore > Teilhhard de Chardin, Ken Wilber, Bede Griffeths, Stephen > Hawking.....)....the duality between the spiritual and the material is the > only real illusion there is.....of course there are many ways to talk about > this duality, we can take consciousness and break it into pieces and create > time and space, the past and the future, life and death, the body and the > soul, the lover and the beloved....with endless effort we can desconstruct > decontructionism itself and end up in nihilism which many seekers confuse > with nothingness and think, having fallen totally into delusion (despair), > they are the only awake ones because of their though-minded pragmatism....in > the end the beginning is really very simple....when you awake in the morning > are you eager to get up.....do you hear yourself laughing.....do you hear > yourself crying....tonysan.....when i read your posts they make me happy and > sad.....you seem to know which path everyone is on.....i am merely on the > way....call it what you will.....white wolfe sits in amusement right now > watching mark writing to tony.....why?....why ask why?....for the sheer fun > of the word play....for the absolute delight in having you tell me who you > think i am....whoever you say that i am, i am not....i am always moving away > from nouns and adjectives into verbs and adverbs.....what i will tell you > since you do not seem to hear it through 'pig poetry' (love that phrase, i > do....LOL everytime i stumble onto it) too well is that the beloved is > manisfesting itself....you are the reason it is all here....all these > religions....all these dialgoues....it is all here for us to enjoy.....(i > may have even created you to remind me how silly i can really be) the > happiness and the sorrow....the laughter and the tears....the damnation and > the salvation.....the war and the peace.....pick a side anyside.....just > play the game, but know that you are playing the gaming you are creating and > if you are losing it is because you really want to lose this time to enjoy > the bitterness of defeat so that next time you can enjoy the sweetness of > victory....or you can be like the white wolfe....and enjoy them both at the > same time....remorselessly in love with his beloved and faithful to her and > their sacred packe (all creation)....tonysan, you created all this for me to > enjoy just now.....you are the beloved.....but i want to thank-you for not > really being my beloved, because i love the game i am playing with my > beloved better...she is prettier than you and darker and more mysterious and > well, tony, she is a better version of you (ROTFLOL)....i am in love my dark > one, mira, she is the beloved in the game i invite you to play....the many > arise into two and the two join to create a new one....am i arising out of > you tony or are you arising out of me.....who cares....the fun is in the > deception that i am not you.....even though i know that i am......if you > don't catch me first then i will catch you.....^^~~~~~~ > > further up and further in, > > white wolfe Namaste WW, Luckily for me I had abandoned organised religion in my teens, and did open my first philosophy book until I was 42 years of age. It was in this order, American Native Religion, Secret of the Golden Flower, Huna, Vedanta. I also read Chardin etc so so so. So I have never studied philosophy or the western philosophers, although I have read some. I understand Vedanta, Buddhism and Taoism though, that's plenty for me. Right now Ramana and Maharaj represent my interest although after being in virtual Hindu practice for 15 years, I also enjoy the bhajans and music etc etc. So I don't know what your tweens was or mine. I only know that Brahman is real, the world is unreal, all is Brahman and I do experience that to a certain extent. The philosophy books I will take with me on my next visit to the Aussie Bush, in case I run out of paper. That will be a reality. Om Namah Sivaya......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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