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dear sisters and brothers of the sacred packe....i thought that i

would dedicate this 'pig" poetry to tony, but then i realized that it

is just ever so slightly better, 'dog'gerel in fact, being wilde and

free, composed of words cloven and not cloven.....(gee tony....who

made you better than the DL?)......^^~~~~~~

 

further up and further in,

 

white wolfe

the truth about love

(a duet between mira and mark)

 

“The first of the Four Noble Truths is Suffering.”

-The Dalai

Lama

 

mark, beloved, thank you for you….

 

mirabai, beloved, yes, i thank you for us

 

thank you for all that you are to me and more

 

thank you for making less of me so that we can become more together

 

god has granted me my greatest wish,

 

and the goddess has set me free and endlessly a-drift

 

a-sail on a puny raft of uncured timbers

with weak arms for a mast, a tattered shirt for a sail, a broken rudder

and nothing to call my own

 

fulfilled my deepest need

 

and said, until you let go of even this raft

 

break the brittle bones in your frail arms, toss your shirt to the wind,

and freely drift endlessly and without effort

you are not even nothing i will acknowledge as my own

 

and embraced me with your arms

 

my broken arms forcing me to acknowledge my deepest need

 

thank you for what you are

 

“i come from nothing, i am nothing, i return to nothing”

 

i am not as verbal as you are

 

but i do wish i could let you know how much you mean to me

 

and so you do and so i try to tell you, but you do not hear my song

 

you are the most precious,

 

you are liquid gold at the heart of the blue flame that is the heart

of the beloved’s sacred heart that is a snowy, cobalt and crimson rose

 

wonderful, open, kind, loyal, reliable, warm and beautiful

 

tedious, opinionated, truculent, faithless, fickle and ugly

 

man on this entire planet.

 

without woman man is nothing but a dream within a dream

 

the earth is the first child of the womb of the universe

you are the first daughter of the goddess ruling the moon

 

 

oh my beloved,

 

i come from you, i am all yours in all ways, i return to you

 

of nothing will come something of nothing,

of something returning to nothing comes true love

 

oh, my reader,

 

my beloved mira, mirroring, mira my beloved

she has sung these words of truth and beauty in my heart she

 

it is her words of wisdom divine and carnal, sacred and profane that i forever sing

love is the infinite suffering, infinitely, infinite the suffering is love

 

in the name of my beloved mirabai,

 

i send you the compassionately sword of manjusri

 

so love slaying a bodhisattva s slaying

love so

infinitely suffering,

endlessly, suffering infinitely

love becoming love becoming love

 

mark & valentine

(may 24, 2001)

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, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> dear sisters and brothers of the sacred packe....i thought that i

would dedicate this 'pig" poetry to tony, but then i realized that it

is just ever so slightly better, 'dog'gerel in fact, being wilde and

free, composed of words cloven and not cloven.....(gee tony....who

made you better than the DL?)......^^~~~~~~

>

> further up and further in,

>

> white wolfe

> the truth about love

>

> (a duet between mira and mark)

>

>

>

> "The first of the Four Noble Truths is Suffering."

>

> -The

Dalai Lama

>

>

>

> mark, beloved, thank you for you..

>

>

>

> mirabai, beloved, yes, i thank you for us

>

>

>

> thank you for all that you are to me and more

>

>

>

> thank you for making less of me so that we can become more together

>

>

>

> god has granted me my greatest wish,

>

>

>

> and the goddess has set me free and endlessly a-drift

>

>

>

> a-sail on a puny raft of uncured timbers

>

> with weak arms for a mast, a tattered shirt for a sail, a broken

rudder

>

> and nothing to call my own

>

>

>

> fulfilled my deepest need

>

>

>

> and said, until you let go of even this raft

>

>

>

> break the brittle bones in your frail arms, toss your shirt to the

wind,

>

> and freely drift endlessly and without effort

>

> you are not even nothing i will acknowledge as my own

>

>

>

> and embraced me with your arms

>

>

>

> my broken arms forcing me to acknowledge my deepest need

>

>

>

> thank you for what you are

>

>

>

> "i come from nothing, i am nothing, i return to nothing"

>

>

>

> i am not as verbal as you are

>

>

>

>

>

> but i do wish i could let you know how much you mean to me

>

>

>

> and so you do and so i try to tell you, but you do not hear my song

>

>

>

> you are the most precious,

>

>

>

> you are liquid gold at the heart of the blue flame that is the heart

>

> of the beloved's sacred heart that is a snowy, cobalt and crimson

rose

>

>

>

> wonderful, open, kind, loyal, reliable, warm and beautiful

>

>

>

> tedious, opinionated, truculent, faithless, fickle and ugly

>

>

>

> man on this entire planet.

>

>

>

> without woman man is nothing but a dream within a dream

>

>

>

> the earth is the first child of the womb of the universe

>

> you are the first daughter of the goddess ruling the moon

>

>

>

>

>

> oh my beloved,

>

>

>

> i come from you, i am all yours in all ways, i return to you

>

>

>

> of nothing will come something of nothing,

>

> of something returning to nothing comes true

love

>

>

>

> oh, my reader,

>

>

>

> my beloved mira, mirroring, mira my beloved

>

> she has sung these words of truth and beauty in my heart she

>

>

>

> it is her words of wisdom divine and carnal, sacred and profane that

i forever sing

>

> love is the infinite suffering, infinitely, infinite the suffering

is love

>

>

>

> in the name of my beloved mirabai,

>

>

>

> i send you the compassionately sword of manjusri

>

>

>

> so love slaying a bodhisattva s slaying

love so

>

> infinitely suffering,

endlessly, suffering infinitely

>

> love becoming love becoming love

>

>

>

> mark & valentine

>

> (may 24, 2001)

 

Namaste WW,

 

The DL quoting Gautama yes! I don't know whether I am better than the

DL it would be better to ask him that question, not I. However it is

an intersting point to think about the DL and Bhodisattvas. Who is

further ahead, a jivanmukti or a bhodisattva or are they essentially

the same thing.

 

The DL's books are good, but not new. I suppose at his level the

difference between Mahayana and Theravada is academic. ONS...Tony

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tonysan....mind, not-mind...when your sacred heart awakens your mystic mind

you will begin to realize what Jesus meant when he said, "Let the dead bury

the dead"....never met anyone, including myself, until i buried myself as an

academic that was not already dead and not dead and not even know that i was

neither dead or not dead who made academic distinctions between things that

are indistingishable from one another....see what happens when we try to

talk to much.....i end up chasing my tail and cannot even run fast enough to

take a bite out of it.....^^~~~~~

 

further up and further in,

 

white wolfe

 

p.s. reminds me of that old joke....get a B.S. and you are full of

bull-s***, get an M.S. and you are full of more s***, get and PHD and you

are just piling yourself higher and drier!

> > the truth about love

> >

> > (a duet between mira and mark)

> >

> >

> >

> > "The first of the Four Noble Truths is Suffering."

> >

> > -The

> Dalai Lama

> >

> >

> >

> > mark, beloved, thank you for you..

> >

> >

> >

> > mirabai, beloved, yes, i thank you for us

> >

> >

> >

> > thank you for all that you are to me and more

> >

> >

> >

> > thank you for making less of me so that we can become more together

> >

> >

> >

> > god has granted me my greatest wish,

> >

> >

> >

> > and the goddess has set me free and endlessly a-drift

> >

> >

> >

> > a-sail on a puny raft of uncured timbers

> >

> > with weak arms for a mast, a tattered shirt for a sail, a broken

> rudder

> >

> > and nothing to call my own

> >

> >

> >

> > fulfilled my deepest need

> >

> >

> >

> > and said, until you let go of even this raft

> >

> >

> >

> > break the brittle bones in your frail arms, toss your shirt to the

> wind,

> >

> > and freely drift endlessly and without effort

> >

> > you are not even nothing i will acknowledge as my own

> >

> >

> >

> > and embraced me with your arms

> >

> >

> >

> > my broken arms forcing me to acknowledge my deepest need

> >

> >

> >

> > thank you for what you are

> >

> >

> >

> > "i come from nothing, i am nothing, i return to nothing"

> >

> >

> >

> > i am not as verbal as you are

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > but i do wish i could let you know how much you mean to me

> >

> >

> >

> > and so you do and so i try to tell you, but you do not hear my song

> >

> >

> >

> > you are the most precious,

> >

> >

> >

> > you are liquid gold at the heart of the blue flame that is the heart

> >

> > of the beloved's sacred heart that is a snowy, cobalt and crimson

> rose

> >

> >

> >

> > wonderful, open, kind, loyal, reliable, warm and beautiful

> >

> >

> >

> > tedious, opinionated, truculent, faithless, fickle and ugly

> >

> >

> >

> > man on this entire planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > without woman man is nothing but a dream within a dream

> >

> >

> >

> > the earth is the first child of the womb of the universe

> >

> > you are the first daughter of the goddess ruling the moon

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > oh my beloved,

> >

> >

> >

> > i come from you, i am all yours in all ways, i return to you

> >

> >

> >

> > of nothing will come something of nothing,

> >

> > of something returning to nothing comes true

> love

> >

> >

> >

> > oh, my reader,

> >

> >

> >

> > my beloved mira, mirroring, mira my beloved

> >

> > she has sung these words of truth and beauty in my heart she

> >

> >

> >

> > it is her words of wisdom divine and carnal, sacred and profane that

> i forever sing

> >

> > love is the infinite suffering, infinitely, infinite the suffering

> is love

> >

> >

> >

> > in the name of my beloved mirabai,

> >

> >

> >

> > i send you the compassionately sword of manjusri

> >

> >

> >

> > so love slaying a bodhisattva s slaying

> love so

> >

> > infinitely suffering,

> endlessly, suffering infinitely

> >

> > love becoming love becoming love

> >

> >

> >

> > mark & valentine

> >

> > (may 24, 2001)

>

> Namaste WW,

>

> The DL quoting Gautama yes! I don't know whether I am better than the

> DL it would be better to ask him that question, not I. However it is

> an intersting point to think about the DL and Bhodisattvas. Who is

> further ahead, a jivanmukti or a bhodisattva or are they essentially

> the same thing.

>

> The DL's books are good, but not new. I suppose at his level the

> difference between Mahayana and Theravada is academic. ONS...>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

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, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> tonysan....mind, not-mind...when your sacred heart awakens your

mystic mind

> you will begin to realize what Jesus meant when he said, "Let the

dead bury

> the dead"....never met anyone, including myself, until i buried

myself as an

> academic that was not already dead and not dead and not even know

that i was

> neither dead or not dead who made academic distinctions between

things that

> are indistingishable from one another....see what happens when we

try to

> talk to much.....i end up chasing my tail and cannot even run fast

enough to

> take a bite out of it.....^^~~~~~

>

> further up and further in,

>

> white wolfe

 

Namaste WW,

 

Yes watch out for the arse-biting! haha!!That unfortunately is the

fate of humanity, it is called reincarnation.

 

I understand where you think you are but I am on a different approach

altogether. I have been through the K-deal and Love Energy Path some

time ago now. I am in the amusing position of integrating all this

illusory paths together.

 

You are happy on the Love Path, I am happy on the Jnana Path that is

fine, we will reach the top together after much arse-biting and

howling at the moons of our mind.

 

'Until you reach the path, you wander in the world,

With the precious form of the Sugata,

Completely wrapped as in a bundle of rags,

By things degrading and dirty,

 

Here it is. You have this precious Tathagata,

Wrapped in rags, Unwrap it quickly!'

 

Arya-tathagathagarbha-sutra.

 

I really prefer Theravada to Mahayana but I thought you would like

that.

 

Om Namah Sivaya......Tony.

 

Om Namah Sivaya....Tony.

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sheez tony....

 

i forgezt how many new dharma doors are opening every second given that the

rate of increase in the human population has reached exponential levels, but

it certainly too large a number to comprehend....how about if i be taoist

and say, Ten Thousand....as a former student of philosphy, comparative

religion, and mystical theology you remind me of my tweens when i was going

to cataloguge and decontruct every major religon in the world until i found

the one true one....one day i did....i stopped practicing studying my life

and i started practicing living my life..you have put yourself in one hole

and me in another....i smile....a hole is a hole....if you want to label me

let me help you....i am many parts zen, a few less roman catholic (as in

plotinus not the pope) definitely more monotheistic than

polytheistic...since, as a modern mystic, i do not believe we can 'know'

anything about anything because the very process of knowing something

changes it into something new, i am also a non-dualist....NETI NETI....but i

do love the many varieties of buddhism....but other than zen....probably

Tibetan the best....vedanta and advaita....with their propensity to deny the

the real in favor of the abstract leaves me cold....which is to say, when it

comes to the gnostic heresy, it is just that to me, a heresy (i adore

Teilhhard de Chardin, Ken Wilber, Bede Griffeths, Stephen

Hawking.....)....the duality between the spiritual and the material is the

only real illusion there is.....of course there are many ways to talk about

this duality, we can take consciousness and break it into pieces and create

time and space, the past and the future, life and death, the body and the

soul, the lover and the beloved....with endless effort we can desconstruct

decontructionism itself and end up in nihilism which many seekers confuse

with nothingness and think, having fallen totally into delusion (despair),

they are the only awake ones because of their though-minded pragmatism....in

the end the beginning is really very simple....when you awake in the morning

are you eager to get up.....do you hear yourself laughing.....do you hear

yourself crying....tonysan.....when i read your posts they make me happy and

sad.....you seem to know which path everyone is on.....i am merely on the

way....call it what you will.....white wolfe sits in amusement right now

watching mark writing to tony.....why?....why ask why?....for the sheer fun

of the word play....for the absolute delight in having you tell me who you

think i am....whoever you say that i am, i am not....i am always moving away

from nouns and adjectives into verbs and adverbs.....what i will tell you

since you do not seem to hear it through 'pig poetry' (love that phrase, i

do....LOL everytime i stumble onto it) too well is that the beloved is

manisfesting itself....you are the reason it is all here....all these

religions....all these dialgoues....it is all here for us to enjoy.....(i

may have even created you to remind me how silly i can really be) the

happiness and the sorrow....the laughter and the tears....the damnation and

the salvation.....the war and the peace.....pick a side anyside.....just

play the game, but know that you are playing the gaming you are creating and

if you are losing it is because you really want to lose this time to enjoy

the bitterness of defeat so that next time you can enjoy the sweetness of

victory....or you can be like the white wolfe....and enjoy them both at the

same time....remorselessly in love with his beloved and faithful to her and

their sacred packe (all creation)....tonysan, you created all this for me to

enjoy just now.....you are the beloved.....but i want to thank-you for not

really being my beloved, because i love the game i am playing with my

beloved better...she is prettier than you and darker and more mysterious and

well, tony, she is a better version of you (ROTFLOL)....i am in love my dark

one, mira, she is the beloved in the game i invite you to play....the many

arise into two and the two join to create a new one....am i arising out of

you tony or are you arising out of me.....who cares....the fun is in the

deception that i am not you.....even though i know that i am......if you

don't catch me first then i will catch you.....^^~~~~~~

 

further up and further in,

 

white wolfe

> Namaste WW,

>

> Yes watch out for the arse-biting! haha!!That unfortunately is the

> fate of humanity, it is called reincarnation.

>

> I understand where you think you are but I am on a different approach

> altogether. I have been through the K-deal and Love Energy Path some

> time ago now. I am in the amusing position of integrating all this

> illusory paths together.

>

> You are happy on the Love Path, I am happy on the Jnana Path that is

> fine, we will reach the top together after much arse-biting and

> howling at the moons of our mind.

>

> 'Until you reach the path, you wander in the world,

> With the precious form of the Sugata,

> Completely wrapped as in a bundle of rags,

> By things degrading and dirty,

>

> Here it is. You have this precious Tathagata,

> Wrapped in rags, Unwrap it quickly!'

>

> Arya-tathagathagarbha-sutra.

>

> I really prefer Theravada to Mahayana but I thought you would like

> that.

>

> Om Namah Sivaya......Tony.

>

> Om Namah Sivaya....Tony.

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> sheez tony....

>

> i forgezt how many new dharma doors are opening every second given

that the

> rate of increase in the human population has reached exponential

levels, but

> it certainly too large a number to comprehend....how about if i be

taoist

> and say, Ten Thousand....as a former student of philosphy,

comparative

> religion, and mystical theology you remind me of my tweens when i

was going

> to cataloguge and decontruct every major religon in the world until

i found

> the one true one....one day i did....i stopped practicing studying

my life

> and i started practicing living my life..you have put yourself in

one hole

> and me in another....i smile....a hole is a hole....if you want to

label me

> let me help you....i am many parts zen, a few less roman catholic

(as in

> plotinus not the pope) definitely more monotheistic than

> polytheistic...since, as a modern mystic, i do not believe we can

'know'

> anything about anything because the very process of knowing

something

> changes it into something new, i am also a non-dualist....NETI

NETI....but i

> do love the many varieties of buddhism....but other than

zen....probably

> Tibetan the best....vedanta and advaita....with their propensity to

deny the

> the real in favor of the abstract leaves me cold....which is to say,

when it

> comes to the gnostic heresy, it is just that to me, a heresy (i

adore

> Teilhhard de Chardin, Ken Wilber, Bede Griffeths, Stephen

> Hawking.....)....the duality between the spiritual and the material

is the

> only real illusion there is.....of course there are many ways to

talk about

> this duality, we can take consciousness and break it into pieces

and create

> time and space, the past and the future, life and death, the body

and the

> soul, the lover and the beloved....with endless effort we can

desconstruct

> decontructionism itself and end up in nihilism which many seekers

confuse

> with nothingness and think, having fallen totally into delusion

(despair),

> they are the only awake ones because of their though-minded

pragmatism....in

> the end the beginning is really very simple....when you awake in the

morning

> are you eager to get up.....do you hear yourself laughing.....do you

hear

> yourself crying....tonysan.....when i read your posts they make me

happy and

> sad.....you seem to know which path everyone is on.....i am merely

on the

> way....call it what you will.....white wolfe sits in amusement right

now

> watching mark writing to tony.....why?....why ask why?....for the

sheer fun

> of the word play....for the absolute delight in having you tell me

who you

> think i am....whoever you say that i am, i am not....i am always

moving away

> from nouns and adjectives into verbs and adverbs.....what i will

tell you

> since you do not seem to hear it through 'pig poetry' (love that

phrase, i

> do....LOL everytime i stumble onto it) too well is that the beloved

is

> manisfesting itself....you are the reason it is all here....all

these

> religions....all these dialgoues....it is all here for us to

enjoy.....(i

> may have even created you to remind me how silly i can really be)

the

> happiness and the sorrow....the laughter and the tears....the

damnation and

> the salvation.....the war and the peace.....pick a side

anyside.....just

> play the game, but know that you are playing the gaming you are

creating and

> if you are losing it is because you really want to lose this time to

enjoy

> the bitterness of defeat so that next time you can enjoy the

sweetness of

> victory....or you can be like the white wolfe....and enjoy them both

at the

> same time....remorselessly in love with his beloved and faithful to

her and

> their sacred packe (all creation)....tonysan, you created all this

for me to

> enjoy just now.....you are the beloved.....but i want to thank-you

for not

> really being my beloved, because i love the game i am playing with

my

> beloved better...she is prettier than you and darker and more

mysterious and

> well, tony, she is a better version of you (ROTFLOL)....i am in love

my dark

> one, mira, she is the beloved in the game i invite you to

play....the many

> arise into two and the two join to create a new one....am i arising

out of

> you tony or are you arising out of me.....who cares....the fun is in

the

> deception that i am not you.....even though i know that i am......if

you

> don't catch me first then i will catch you.....^^~~~~~~

>

> further up and further in,

>

> white wolfe

 

Namaste WW,

 

Luckily for me I had abandoned organised religion in my teens, and did

open my first philosophy book until I was 42 years of age. It was in

this order, American Native Religion, Secret of the Golden Flower,

Huna, Vedanta. I also read Chardin etc so so so.

 

So I have never studied philosophy or the western philosophers,

although I have read some. I understand Vedanta, Buddhism and Taoism

though, that's plenty for me. Right now Ramana and Maharaj represent

my interest although after being in virtual Hindu practice for

15 years, I also enjoy the bhajans and music etc etc.

 

So I don't know what your tweens was or mine. I only know that Brahman

is real, the world is unreal, all is Brahman and I do experience that

to a certain extent. The philosophy books I will take with me on my

next visit to the Aussie Bush, in case I run out of paper. That will

be a reality.

 

Om Namah Sivaya......Tony.

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