Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

May 26, 2001

----Original Message-----Gloria Lee

[glee (AT) intrepid (DOT) net]Friday, May 25, 2001 10:50 AMTo:

HS Tony!/Fw: [sriArunachala] world

Some one asked : "What is meant by saying that the world is false?"Sri

Bhagavan strangely answered; " It means that the world is real"

andquoted a sannskrit verse which says " the world seen as world

throughignorance is false, but the same world seen as Brahman through

knowledge isreal "From Sri Ramana Reminiscences- By Prof. G.V.

Subbaramayya

Dear Tony,

While you make a good point about the 'lower mind' with its ignorance

and illusions, might you be taking illusory a bit too literally when

you say none of this exists? The world doesn't exist "in the way it

is usually perceived and understood", but here in this quote even

Ramana speaks to how a shift in perception makes all the difference.

Maybe Harsha can shed some light on what is really meant by maya in

advaita vedanta, because there are different ways of interpreting

that concept.

Love,

Gloria

Hi Gloria,

I am not a scholar of Advaita Vedanta but Sri Ramana's words that the

world seen as Brahman through Knowledge make sense. Shankra has also

spoken on the same point.

Maya (the power of imagination that veils the Self) is said to be

Shakti, the Divine Mother, that makes the various worlds appear. It

rises from the Self and brings with it diversity of forms in the

cosmos. When it subsides back into Its Source, taking along the mind

and individuality, It reveals It Self to be the Self.

Love to all

Harsha

May 26, 2001

Hey Gloria, same wave length the two of us...

Love, Wim

-

"Gloria Lee" <glee

<>

Saturday, May 26, 2001 3:21 PM

Re: Re: Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

-

Harsha

Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:05 PM

RE: Re: Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

david.bozzi [david.bozzi]

> further up and further in

David,

further down and further out

_______________

Ten Four good buddy (as they say here in the U.S.).

Harsha

P.S. Does anyone know how Ten/Four came about as a goodbye? Why not One/Two

or Nine/Three or Eight/Six. Mark Otter would probably know this!

Hi Harsha,

Originally, for ham radios there was a list of numbers that meant words,

because in the early days signals might break up rather easily. So some were

taken over for use by CB truckers too.

10/4 just means any affirmative answer. You can reply 10/4 to almost

anything, so when one signs off the other guy just says 10/4 like a ditto.

There are whole dictionaries of CB radio slang and very creative they are,

but the original ten-code was a basic radio communication standard.

Here is a site that gives the entire ten-code:

http://spiffy.cso.uiuc.edu/~kline/Stuff/ten-codes.html

Is that a Four? Did you copy? Do you agree?

Ten-Four: Frequently used ten-code acknowledgment that a transmission has

been received and understood. A "big ten-f our" means the received message

is agreed with by the recipient.

Ten-Roger: See "ten-four" and "roger".

Good Numbers: Eighty-eight (love and kisses) and seventy-three (best

regards): "Time to go now, so we'll throw you the good numbers."

Turn Twenty: The location of an exit or turn. "Twenty" refers to location.

Twenty. Often as in "What's your twenty?" An abbreviation of the ten code

meaning "What's your location." Frequently used to establish how far

communicating stations are for the purpose of determining the effectiveness

of the transmission

May 26, 2001

And the beautiful patterns our waves make when they touch each other.

Remember Jan's last picture?

May 26, 2001

but why always look to some "other' to discover truth....whether it be

spriirtual ancestor or instutitional arising around that teacher's

bwelief system....white wolfe looks deep into his own practice to

discover that mark's his self is always arising into a new self as

through the dynamic process of life itself.....thesis encountering

antithese into syntthesis....the deeper one journeys into

consciousness the more subtle the mystic mind becomes and thwe more

expansive the sacred heart becomes....the militant nature of love and

compassion transcends the passive nature of suffering and death

endlessly and without effort....each new higher state of consciousnes

(spirit) arises out of the dynamic process of evolution (matter)....in

practicing my living i am discovering that the way of non-dual

mysticism is a endless journey being made into a realm without

boundaries of which i am nothing but an increment....a speck of sand

in a mysterious process....i am being carried into the what lies

beyond in the arms of my beloved but she always reminds me that i am

carrying her in my arms to what lies beneath....omniscience and

immanance....two words/symbols trying to describe the the same

espanding sphere of love spirling, spiraling.....

further up and further in

^^~~~~~

-

Harsha

Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:28 AM

Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

----Original Message-----Gloria Lee

[glee (AT) intrepid (DOT) net]Friday, May 25, 2001 10:50 AMTo:

HS Tony!/Fw: [sriArunachala] world

Some one asked : "What is meant by saying that the world is false?"Sri

Bhagavan strangely answered; " It means that the world is real"

andquoted a sannskrit verse which says " the world seen as world

throughignorance is false, but the same world seen as Brahman through

knowledge isreal "From Sri Ramana Reminiscences- By Prof. G.V.

Subbaramayya

Dear Tony,

While you make a good point about the 'lower mind' with its ignorance

and illusions, might you be taking illusory a bit too literally when

you say none of this exists? The world doesn't exist "in the way it

is usually perceived and understood", but here in this quote even

Ramana speaks to how a shift in perception makes all the difference.

Maybe Harsha can shed some light on what is really meant by maya in

advaita vedanta, because there are different ways of interpreting

that concept.

Love,

Gloria

Hi Gloria,

I am not a scholar of Advaita Vedanta but Sri Ramana's words that the

world seen as Brahman through Knowledge make sense. Shankra has also

spoken on the same point.

Maya (the power of imagination that veils the Self) is said to be

Shakti, the Divine Mother, that makes the various worlds appear. It

rises from the Self and brings with it diversity of forms in the

cosmos. When it subsides back into Its Source, taking along the mind

and individuality, It reveals It Self to be the Self.

Love to all

Harsha

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the

May 26, 2001

, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> but why always look to some "other' to discover truth....

Yes, why?

> white wolfe looks deep into his own practice

How schitzophrenic.

Did 'you' hear what 'you' just said?

> the militant nature of love and

> compassion transcends the passive nature of suffering and death

> endlessly and without effort....

Funny thing about suffering...

It's where the real growth occurs.

When everything is fine, well that's nice

but you really don't grow.

(you really don't)

> i am being carried into the what lies

> beyond in the arms of my beloved but she always reminds me that i

am

> carrying her in my arms to what lies beneath....

Another 'other'.

Fool's gold.

> further up and further in

David,

further down and further out

May 26, 2001

, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> but why always look to some "other' to discover truth....whether it

be spriirtual ancestor or instutitional arising around that teacher's

bwelief system....white wolfe looks deep into his own practice to

discover that mark's his self is always arising into a new self as

through the dynamic process of life itself..Service.

Namaste WW,

'If one, longing for sensual pleasure, achieves h, yes,

he's enraptured at heart. The mortal gets what he wants.

But if for that person -longing, desiring- the pleasures diminish,

he's shattered, as if shot with an arrow. '

Sutta Nipata IV, 1

Your method seems to me to be a bhuddistic one of examining the

aggregates rising and falling etc or along those lines. However that

is your method, however with me I don't need to know the molecular

structure of water to leave the swimming pool, it just a matter of

patha nd choice. By the way the pig poetry quote didn't come from me

but from Isherwood/Prabhavananda.

Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony.

May 26, 2001

david.bozzi [david.bozzi]

> further up and further in

David,

further down and further out

_______________

Ten Four good buddy (as they say here in the U.S.).

Harsha

P.S. Does anyone know how Ten/Four came about as a goodbye? Why not One/Two

or Nine/Three or Eight/Six. Mark Otter would probably know this!

May 26, 2001

- Harsha

Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:05 PM

RE: Re: Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

david.bozzi (AT) netzero (DOT) net

[david.bozzi (AT) netzero (DOT) net]> further up and further

inDavid,further down and further out_______________Ten Four good

buddy (as they say here in the U.S.).HarshaP.S. Does anyone know how

Ten/Four came about as a goodbye? Why not One/Twoor Nine/Three or

Eight/Six. Mark Otter would probably know this!

Hi Harsha,

Originally, for ham radios there was a list of numbers that meant

words, because in the early days signals might break up rather

easily. So some were taken over for use by CB truckers too.

10/4 just means any affirmative answer. You can reply 10/4 to almost

anything, so when one signs off the other guy just says 10/4 like a

ditto. There are whole dictionaries of CB radio slang and very

creative they are, but the original ten-code was a basic radio

communication standard.

Here is a site that gives the entire ten-code:

http://spiffy.cso.uiuc.edu/~kline/Stuff/ten-codes.html

Is that a Four? Did you copy? Do you agree?

Ten-Four: Frequently used ten-code acknowledgment that a transmission

has been received and understood. A "big ten-f our" means the

received message is agreed with by the recipient.

Ten-Roger: See "ten-four" and "roger".

Good Numbers: Eighty-eight (love and kisses) and seventy-three (best

regards): "Time to go now, so we'll throw you the good numbers."

Turn Twenty: The location of an exit or turn. "Twenty" refers to

location. Twenty. Often as in "What's your twenty?" An abbreviation

of the ten code meaning "What's your location." Frequently used to

establish how far communicating stations are for the purpose of

determining the effectiveness of the transmission

May 26, 2001

ROTFLOL....what a ride, what a thread!....^^~~~~~

-

Gloria Lee

Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:21 AM

Re: Re: Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

- Harsha

Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:05 PM

RE: Re: Gloria/Tony/Maya and Self

david.bozzi (AT) netzero (DOT) net

[david.bozzi (AT) netzero (DOT) net]> further up and further

inDavid,further down and further out_______________Ten Four good

buddy (as they say here in the U.S.).HarshaP.S. Does anyone know how

Ten/Four came about as a goodbye? Why not One/Twoor Nine/Three or

Eight/Six. Mark Otter would probably know this!

Hi Harsha,

Originally, for ham radios there was a list of numbers that meant

words, because in the early days signals might break up rather

easily. So some were taken over for use by CB truckers too.

10/4 just means any affirmative answer. You can reply 10/4 to almost

anything, so when one signs off the other guy just says 10/4 like a

ditto. There are whole dictionaries of CB radio slang and very

creative they are, but the original ten-code was a basic radio

communication standard.

Here is a site that gives the entire ten-code:

http://spiffy.cso.uiuc.edu/~kline/Stuff/ten-codes.html

Is that a Four? Did you copy? Do you agree?

Ten-Four: Frequently used ten-code acknowledgment that a transmission

has been received and understood. A "big ten-f our" means the

received message is agreed with by the recipient.

Ten-Roger: See "ten-four" and "roger".

Good Numbers: Eighty-eight (love and kisses) and seventy-three (best

regards): "Time to go now, so we'll throw you the good numbers."

Turn Twenty: The location of an exit or turn. "Twenty" refers to

location. Twenty. Often as in "What's your twenty?" An abbreviation

of the ten code meaning "What's your location." Frequently used to

establish how far communicating stations are for the purpose of

determining the effectiveness of the

transmission/join