Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Namaste All, I touched on this before having had these experiences most of my life. However I pay little attention to them never mind not worship them. It gives the appearance of moving from the muladhara to the sahasrara but it doesn't move at all, it is everywhere. There is nothing but kundalini in this dream of life. It is the attention that is moving, the cakras being the interfaces between even more subtle cakras. These in turn correspond to different sheaths of consciousness. Many call it the Sakti but it is really cleansing prana, Sakti is Saguna Brahman. Saying one is non dual and a K-believer is like saying I don't believe in my car just the fuel!!!!It is as dualistic as the most fundamentalist religious belief. The process is cleaning the sheaths or more particularly the awareness sheath, the more it needs cleaning the more the obvious manifestations. So going on about K experiences is like saying my floor is really dirty, it is nothing to boast about. There is so much nonsense and psychotic schizophrenic rubbish written about this whole process and in the end it is just imagination in the mind. Most of the teachers are similar to meditation teachers, who really fit the expression, 'In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is king'. How can anyone other than a realised jivanmukti teach anyone how to meditate, never mind set oneself up as a teacher?!!!!!!!It is all in the same category as the attached ones, who teach a perverted sexual tantra. Tantra is esoteric not literal. This is all speaking relatively and dually of course hhahaha Om Namah Sivaya......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Dear Tony, Oh and drop your notion about Kundalini as well... As well as the chip(s) on your shoulder... You have been duped, you are still writing from that experience... Have you found out yet, who the first one was who duped you? Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > Oh and drop your notion about Kundalini as well... > As well as the chip(s) on your shoulder... > > You have been duped, you are still writing from that experience... > > Have you found out yet, who the first one was who duped you? > > Love, Wim Namaste Wim. 'God' Himself duped me into thinking I was an individual and even existed.....ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Dear Tony, > 'God' Himself duped me into thinking I was an individual and even existed... Ooh no Tony! You are sidestepping...that is too conceptual and contrived. Which person duped you AT FIRST? Hint: father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, granny, granddad, priest, guru, coach, peer, etc. Another hint: look at a very young age! One more hint: start from now and go backwards in time, till you get to your birth... you don't have to go to conception. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Hi Tony, Your subject line is totally off the wall. Kundalini is energy. You wouldn't call electricity "dualistic worshipping." Or maybe _you_ would, I don't know. ) >I touched on this before having had these experiences most of my life. >However I pay little attention to them never mind not worship them. > >It gives the appearance of moving from the muladhara to the sahasrara >but it doesn't move at all, If you can say that, then you've never felt real physical Kundalini moving up your spine! >it is everywhere. > There is nothing but kundalini in this dream of life. It is the >attention that is moving, In interior meditation, yes!! Not the same thing as physically active Kundalini at all. In fact, it's probably easier to learn interior meditation before you have physically active K. When you have it, it can be hard to withdraw your attention from the physical/etheric. Maybe as hard as withdrawing attention when the body is having severe pain... it can be done, but it sure isn't easy! > the cakras being the interfaces between even > more subtle cakras. These in turn correspond to different sheaths of >consciousness. > >Many call it the Sakti but it is really cleansing prana, Sakti is >Saguna Brahman. You can argue all you want to about words and what to call it, but when it's there, it's there and you know it! It's physical and it's powerful! >Saying one is non dual and a K-believer is like saying I don't believe >in my car just the fuel!!!!It is as dualistic as the most >fundamentalist religious belief. Talking about a "K-believer" makes about as much sense as talking about an "electricity-believer"! Do I believe in electricity? Well, I don't stick my finger in electric sockets! You've obviously never stuck a finger in the Kundalini socket, or you couldn't say such things. ) I do believe you when you say you've been working with Kundalini for many years. I worked with it too for many years before I had physically active K. The difference is, I was working with K. on other planes, not in the physical body. I never even suspected what a difference there would be, until my spiritual guru awakened my physical K. during meditation one night... and all of a sudden, the world was different than I had thought! The world is different than you think, Tony. >The process is cleaning the sheaths or more particularly the awareness >sheath, the more it needs cleaning the more the obvious >manifestations. So going on about K experiences is like saying my >floor is really dirty, it is nothing to boast about. Everybody's floor is really dirty, Tony, until they clean it up! ) A lot of dirt and blocks get accumulated just through the normal process of growing up in this world... having blocks is nothing to be embarrassed about. It's just human. >There is so much >nonsense and psychotic schizophrenic rubbish written about this whole >process and in the end it is just imagination in the mind. > >Most of the teachers are similar to meditation teachers, who really >fit the expression, 'In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is >king'. How can anyone other than a realised jivanmukti teach anyone >how to meditate, never mind set oneself up as a teacher?!!!!!!!It is >all in the same category as the attached ones, who teach a perverted >sexual tantra. Tantra is esoteric not literal. And now you're off the wall again... When you get so extreme, it's hard to take you seriously, Tony! Why keep saying the same old things? We've answered and answered... doesn't seem to be much use in saying the same things over again. You asked me about the Tibetan way. Instead of sending a dry explanation (which has already been on the list anyway), I sent some chapters from one of the great teachers of Tibetan Buddhism, Lama Govinda. His whole book is Tantra, Tony... his tradition is Tantra, not Sutra. And you can say these things about him!!!??? Well, I love you anyway, honey. Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > Your subject line is totally off the wall. Kundalini is energy. You > wouldn't call electricity "dualistic worshipping." Or maybe _you_ would, I > don't know. ) > > >I touched on this before having had these experiences most of my life. > >However I pay little attention to them never mind not worship them. > > > >It gives the appearance of moving from the muladhara to the sahasrara > >but it doesn't move at all, > > If you can say that, then you've never felt real physical Kundalini moving > up your spine! > > >it is everywhere. > > There is nothing but kundalini in this dream of life. It is the > >attention that is moving, > > In interior meditation, yes!! Not the same thing as physically active > Kundalini at all. In fact, it's probably easier to learn interior > meditation before you have physically active K. When you have it, it can > be hard to withdraw your attention from the physical/etheric. Maybe as > hard as withdrawing attention when the body is having severe pain... it > can be done, but it sure isn't easy! > > > the cakras being the interfaces between even > > more subtle cakras. These in turn correspond to different sheaths of > >consciousness. > > > >Many call it the Sakti but it is really cleansing prana, Sakti is > >Saguna Brahman. > > You can argue all you want to about words and what to call it, but when > it's there, it's there and you know it! It's physical and it's powerful! > > >Saying one is non dual and a K-believer is like saying I don't believe > >in my car just the fuel!!!!It is as dualistic as the most > >fundamentalist religious belief. > > Talking about a "K-believer" makes about as much sense as talking about an > "electricity-believer"! Do I believe in electricity? Well, I don't stick > my finger in electric sockets! You've obviously never stuck a finger in > the Kundalini socket, or you couldn't say such things. ) > > I do believe you when you say you've been working with Kundalini for many > years. I worked with it too for many years before I had physically active > K. The difference is, I was working with K. on other planes, not in the > physical body. I never even suspected what a difference there would be, > until my spiritual guru awakened my physical K. during meditation one > night... and all of a sudden, the world was different than I had thought! > The world is different than you think, Tony. > > >The process is cleaning the sheaths or more particularly the awareness > >sheath, the more it needs cleaning the more the obvious > >manifestations. So going on about K experiences is like saying my > >floor is really dirty, it is nothing to boast about. > > Everybody's floor is really dirty, Tony, until they clean it up! ) A lot > of dirt and blocks get accumulated just through the normal process of > growing up in this world... having blocks is nothing to be embarrassed > about. It's just human. > > >There is so much > >nonsense and psychotic schizophrenic rubbish written about this whole > >process and in the end it is just imagination in the mind. > > > >Most of the teachers are similar to meditation teachers, who really > >fit the expression, 'In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is > >king'. How can anyone other than a realised jivanmukti teach anyone > >how to meditate, never mind set oneself up as a teacher?!!!!!!!It is > >all in the same category as the attached ones, who teach a perverted > >sexual tantra. Tantra is esoteric not literal. > > And now you're off the wall again... When you get so extreme, it's hard to > take you seriously, Tony! > > Why keep saying the same old things? We've answered and answered... > doesn't seem to be much use in saying the same things over again. > > You asked me about the Tibetan way. Instead of sending a dry explanation > (which has already been on the list anyway), I sent some chapters from one > of the great teachers of Tibetan Buddhism, Lama Govinda. His whole book is > Tantra, Tony... his tradition is Tantra, not Sutra. And you can say these > things about him!!!??? > > Well, I love you anyway, honey. > > Dharma Namaste Dharma, I'm not attacking the Tibetans I'm saying the sexual practices of Tantra are a distortion of the real meaning---that's all. Although I do prefer Theravada to Mahayana. Now with regard to K yes I have felt that energy in my body of course. However we do have a pranamayakosa you know. My approach to K is to take it in stride and not start worshipping the Goddess and this kind of stuff. Some do and that's fine, but some still say they are non dualistic whilst doing this, which is contradictory---anyway. I still don't believe K moves, only our attention/concentration moves, K is without and within, and on each plane of consciousness. Ultimatel it can only be in the mind and therefore imaginary. The rise of K is really the rise of consciousness and awareness and this can be done without accompanying experiences by japa for example. Om Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > The rise of K is really the rise of consciousness and awareness and > this can be done without accompanying experiences by japa for >example. Or by self inquiry, which will guide the mind energy into itself until the one falls into the one and becomes one with itself. Love, A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 mumblecat [mumblecat] , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > The rise of K is really the rise of consciousness and awareness and > this can be done without accompanying experiences by japa for >example. Or by self inquiry, which will guide the mind energy into itself until the one falls into the one and becomes one with itself. Love, A. That is very poetic Amanda. Yes, one is inevitably drawn to the One. Upon becoming one with the One, It sees that It has Always been That One! That is the paradox of Self-Realization. The Beauty of It takes the breath away. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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