Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 Dear Stephan, I wrote: > >When this natural growth process in > >the human is traumatized or disturbed > >the Human/Divine SELF restoration process > >kicks in. (Traditionally called Kundalini.) You wrote: > You slide a huge door here but didn't go into the hallway... > What are you saying exactly? > That the physical illness/disfunction of physical K > are the symptoms of resistance ??? > Care to throw in more seeds now that you slide this door? I am very happy about your question Stephan! Do you know that you are the first one after all these years that I have been writing about this, who actually asked for special elucidation on this approach? That is very admirable and daring! The answer that you suggest in your question is not exactly as you state... but you will formulate that much better for yourself later. Just as we have an inborn self-healing process for physical wounds (e.g. when we incur flesh wounds or bruises or when our bones need to heal from fractures.) so, by the same token, we have an inborn process that heals us from creative (creative, procreative and recreative), volitional (willpower), emotional, vocational (expression of our inner voice and calling), mental and spiritual wounds or traumas. That is a blanket statement that dawned on me without a doubt about 19 years ago. I have purposely and personally done a very long experiment, where I tried to destroy myself by living as traumatized and traumatizing as I could (except for ending up molesting and killing and ending up in jail) to find that healing mechanism and have it kick in. I knew it existed, so I did not run a risk, but rather than the theoretical knowledge of it, I wanted to see the healing process initiate itself and wanted to ensure that it brought itself to a complete success all by itself. The self destruction took me a long time (it took me13 years), we are resilient, my God; the auto-therapy was way shorter (about 2.5 years). I was surprised about the short restoration time, however intense it was and however hard work it took. For both processes, the destructive and reconstructive, I had asked permission from my wife and son, although they cannot remember the request for the self destructive part. This in retrospect was a good thing, the destructive cycle may not have been as 'successful' as it needed to be. I gained way more from it though than I expected, as the self re-originating process did not only clear up the personal harm I had done myself during the self inflicted destructive period but it also irreversibly cleared up traumas incurred in very early childhood, subsequently sustained, later denied and eventually repressed in later youth and early adulthood. I'll leave it at this for now Stephan... you may glean the answer to your question from what I just wrote. But please, when more questions come up do not hesitate to ask... That healing process, after I was already deeply immersed in it, I found out to called Kundalini in the yoga tradition. I had read about it many years ago (in the very early seventies but I had pretty well forgotten all about it). It was the book by Yvonne Kason MD (A Farther Shore) that made me see the correspondences between this self healing process, Kundalini and informal yoga comparable to formalized 'Hata Yoga Pradipika'. I use the following terms for this process: radical self healing self reintegration self reclamation self reorigination self restoration autopathic healing auto-holo-pathy as distinct from allopathic or homeopathic healing practices. I this enough of a seed? Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 Hi Wim, >I have purposely and personally done a very long experiment, where I >tried to destroy myself by living as traumatized and traumatizing as I >could (except for ending up molesting and killing and ending up in jail) >to find that healing mechanism and have it kick in. I knew it existed, >so I did not run a risk, but rather than the theoretical knowledge of >it, I wanted to see the healing process initiate itself and wanted to >ensure that it brought itself to a complete success all by itself. The >self destruction took me a long time (it took me13 years), we are >resilient, my God; the auto-therapy was way shorter (about 2.5 years). I >was surprised about the short restoration time, however intense it was >and however hard work it took. I gotta tell you, friend, that's about the craziest way I ever heard of to try to raise Kundalini!! You're a helluva lucky guy that your K. kicked in before you killed yourself. Itzhak Bentov, author of _Stalking the Wild Pendulum_, said in his seminal article on his lab research into Kundalini, that he considered it a normal development of the nervous system. Here is the beginning and end of his article. If anyone would like to have the whole thing, with GIFs of the illustrations and diagrams, just drop me an email. -------------------- >[Appendix 1. Lee Sannella, M.D. Kundalini Experience. Lower Lake CA: >Integral Publishing.] > >MlCROMOTION OF THE BODY AS A FACTOR IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NERVOUS SYSTEM > by Itzhak Bentov > > >Introduction > > In the last few years, both young and old people in the United >States and in Europe have taken up the practice of meditation. Regular >practice of meditation has a calming and stabilizing effect on its >practitioners (see Wallace and Benson 1972; Banquet 1972; Benson 1975). >With prolonged practice, many physiological changes occur in the body. >Among them is a change in the mode of functioning of the nervous system. >These changes can be monitored by the application of a modified >ballistocardiograph to a seated upright subject. > Theoretically, when meditation is practiced properly, a sequence >of strong and unusual bodily reactions and unusual psychological states is >eventually triggered. The "rising of the kundalini," as described in the >classical literature of Yoga, is a stimulus or "energy" activating a >"center," or chakra, at the base of the spine and working its way up the >spine. The stimulus stops at several centers along the spine, as it rises. >These centers are located opposite the major nerve plexuses in the abdomen >and in the thorax, which are also stimulated in the process. Eventually >the stimulus ends up in the head. Along its path, it often causes violent >motion in some parts of the body, signifying that there is "resistance" to >its passage. The rising of the kundalini may happen suddenly or over a >period of several years. After entering the head, the stimulus continues >down the face into the larynx and the abdominal cavity. > Most meditators realize that these reactions are caused by >meditation and do not become alarmed. However, sometimes this mechanism >can be triggered in nonmeditators. Our observations indicate that exposure >to certain mechanical vibrations, electro-magnetic waves, or sounds may >trigger this mechanism. It is the purpose of this article to bring this >mechanism and some of its symptoms to the attention of the medical >profession. > > >Summary > > The ballistocardiogram of a sitting subject, who is capable of >altering his or her state of consciousness at will, shows a rhythmic sine >wave pattern when the subiect is in a deep meditative state. This is >attributed to the development of a standing wave in the aorta, which is >reflected in the rhythmic motion of the body. This resonating oscillator >(the heart-aorta system) will rhythm entrain four additional oscillators, >eventually resulting in a fluctuating magnetic field around the head. > Our initial experiments indicate that the five resonating systems >are as follows: > >1. The heart-aorta system produces an oscillation of about 7 Hz in the >skeleton, including the skull. The upper part of the body also has a >resonant frequency of about 7 Hz. > >2. The skull accelerates the brain up and down, producing acoustical plane >waves reverberating through the brain at KHz frequencies. > >3. These acoustical plane waves are focused by the skull onto the >ventricles, thus activating and driving standing waves within the third >and lateral ventricles. > >4. Standing waves within the cerebral ventricles in the audio and >supersonic ranges stimulate the sensory cortex mechanically, resulting >eventually in a stimulus traveling in a closed loop around each >hemisphere. Such a traveling stimulus may be viewed as a "current." > >5. As a result of these circular "currents," each hemisphere produces a >pulsating magnetic field. These fields are of opposing polarities. > > This magnetic field--radiated by the head acting as an antenna >--interacts with the electric and magnetic fields already in the >environment. We may consider the head as simultaneously a transmitting and >receiving antenna, tuned to a particular one of the several resonant >frequencies of the brain. Environmental fields may thus be fed back to the >brain, thereby modulating that resonant frequency. The brain will >interpret this modulation as useful information. > This paper presents a preliminary report on the possible mechanism >of the so-called "kundalini." The kundalini effect is viewed by the author >as part of the development of the nervous system. This development can be >elicited by the practice of any of several different types of meditative >techniques, or it may develop spontaneously. Research into this area is >continuing, and investigation of the kundalini effect by different methods >is in progress. > >snip> > > Our knowledge of physiology considers the present state of the >human nervous system as being at the peak of its development. However, the >present discussion suggests a mechanism that may cause changes in the >cerebrospinal system. When a fetus develops in the womb, it undergoes >changes that mirror human evolution from a fish through the amphibian to >the mammal. But our findings suggest that this evolution very probably has >not come to a halt with the way our nervous system is functioning at >present. The hidden potential of our nervous system may be vast. > The mechanism outlined above describes a possible next step in >the evolution of the nervous system, which can be accelerated by the use >of certain techniques. We can speculate that this development will have >the effect of an increased awareness of the self as a part of a much >larger system. We can postulate that our magnetic "antennae" will bring in >information about our extended system--the earth and the sun--and will >allow us to interpret geophysical phenomena and signals to better >advantage. > In this connection the work of Walcott and Green (1974) is of >particular interest, since it shows that one of the orientation mechanisms >of the homing pigeon depends on the magnetic fields of the earth. >Indications are that the pigeon's built-in magnetic field is interacting >with the earth's magnetic field. The pigeon's field would be analogous to >the magnetic field around our head, when intensified by the sensory cortex >"current." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 Hi Wim, >> I gotta tell you, friend, that's about the craziest way >> I ever heard of to try to raise Kundalini!! >> You're a helluva lucky guy that your K. kicked in >> before you killed yourself. > >It also means that you hardly read what I wrote on the K. list years >ago... I'm sure I did read it... but that's been quite a while. I really can't remember... sorry. >Not that that was needed! >It also means that you hardly read what I wrote in the post that you >just responded to. Well, you said: >I >tried to destroy myself by living as traumatized and traumatizing as I >could (except for ending up molesting and killing and ending up in jail) >to find that healing mechanism and have it kick in. >snip< > >The >self destruction took me a long time (it took me13 years) You did that for 13 years Wim!! >, we are >resilient, my God; the auto-therapy was way shorter (about 2.5 years). I >was surprised about the short restoration time, however intense it was >and however hard work it took. I'd be interested to hear about those 2.5 years, exactly how it went. >Like I said there was absolutely no risk... and I did not "try to raise >Kundalini". You were trying to force "the healing mechanism" to "kick in." Isn't that the same thing? >The self healing kicked in on time... as I knew it would. >I wanted to fully understand the dynamics of human suffering as well as >the dynamics of human healing. But I have to say... if you were doing that in full confidence that K. would appear and save the day, isn't that pretty different from someone who's just plain self-destructive? So I'm not sure it proves anything. >> Itzhak Bentov, author of _Stalking the Wild Pendulum_, said in his >seminal >> article on his lab research into Kundalini, that he considered it a >normal >> development of the nervous system. > >Kundalini will not happen to harmoniously developing humans... >Another blanket statement? Well, if you mean people who have no blocks and so forth, I don't think there are any... except for people who've worked hard to clear them... and even then, you have to keep clearing. You pick up more stuff just in the course of everyday life. I don't know if anyone's done a survey to find out what various people's circumstances were when the K. started... it would be interesting. The people that Sannella talked about were mostly people with problems, but then he was an MD... those were the people who would go to him. Then there are all the people who practice Kundalini Yoga and want to raise it... And how about all the spontaneous awakenings nowadays? Seems to be a regular epidemic! But nobody's sure of the cause... ideas range from exposure to meditation and other practices from the East, such as Hatha Yoga, healing, and psychic stuff... to exposure to all the machines around us nowadays, sending all kinds of energies through the air... to a current leap in evolution. Time will tell, I guess. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Hi Wim, I didn't answer right away because I wanted to take some time to think over what you said and read it again. I wonder if you've got a book here! Not that you'd want to encourage others to do it the same way. But just telling your own story... I think it would be a very interesting book, and you might be able to sell it. I _would_ be interested in hearing about your healing process too. >I would like to oblige, I have written about that a lot in snippets and >long emails over the past three years. I am in the process of collating >that material from about 1600 pages of email, Are you planning a book already? I'll buy one! ) I hope you include both phases. Your son sounds wonderful... Have a great visit with your mother! >You: >> And how about all the spontaneous awakenings nowadays? >> Seems to be a regular epidemic! > >Hold the word "epidemic" Dharma, I know you don't mean it that way, but >better to use a better word if we have one...??? :-) You're right... how about "of epidemic proportions"? Can't think of another word. >The spontaneous awakenings are the self healing process... exactly my >point... I am not surprised. You think all these bodhisattvas are just >sitting there catching flies... :-))) >Swat! "Dang it, another self-awakening..." Swat, swat! > >You: >> But nobody's sure of the cause... > >Hey, Dharma, what about just the innate process to heal oneself... Okay, but there were no known cases of it in the West before 1932, except maybe for someone who went to the East to study yoga... now it's all over the place. Clearly something has changed. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Dear Dharma, You wrote: > Okay, but there were no known cases of it > [Kundalini or "the innate process to heal oneself", Wim] > in the West before 1932, except maybe for someone > who went to the East to study yoga... now it's all over > the place. Clearly something has changed. So true, in 1929 there was a convention of 12 bodhisattvas in the heavenly realm :-) where it was decided to promote the idea that the retransmission of suffering to the next generation had to stop... "The yuk stops here..." "I will not pass on what was done to me to my children!" It took a few years to take hold... But those twelve had learned patience..., as well they had discovered the benefit of one person at a time, from inner divine grace, not by the grace of an external god or 'agent' Love you Dharma, Wim A book eh? Hee hee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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