Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Namaste' folks, You have already said things well - a couple of other points to consider.... You had to learn to identify with name and form when you were a child - it was supported by your parents, family and society to such an extent that it seemed/seems 'natural' ... When you attend the wake of a 'friend' - there is a body there- where is your 'friend'? Is the body an aspect of ego? Isn't it also 'tool' used in life? identification is separation Love, james , "Mirror" <mirror@u...> wrote: > Dharma: > > The "I" structure still remains, as a tool to be used in this life, a > garment to wear. It is our illusions about it that have disappeared or > "burnt up." > > > Very well said, thank you. I used to believe in the concept that the > I-structure would disappear immediately upon realization... now I understand > the futility of that. The I-structure serves active human life in > expression, just like the structure of a tree serves life to express itself > as tree. Once the sense of a separate self has fallen away, there is even an > opportunity for the life-force to refine its human I-structure. > Mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 james: > identification is separation freedom blossoms in the heart of the one who realizes that no amount of identification could possibly separate him from his inseparable nature. Mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Re: Re: can I ever realize the Bliss of the Self ?/Ego > > freedom blossoms love's indigo flame > in the heart of the one at the heart of the incarnation rose > who realizes that that is the sacred heart within the heart > no amount of identification that is love's ephmeral incandescent edge > could possibly separate him the circle of holy fire from which we arise and cannot flee > from his inseparable nature. that is deeper love spiraling transient love into higher love love is at the center, love is in between, love is at the edge > > Mira > Mark > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Hi James, > You had to learn to identify with name and form when you >were a child - it was supported by your parents, family and society to >such an extent that it seemed/seems 'natural' ... > > When you attend the wake of a 'friend' - there is a body >there- where is your 'friend'? Is the body an aspect of ego? Isn't it >also 'tool' used in life? > > identification is separation On the other hand, when you turn in the other direction, identification is unity. DK said that identification is the technique of the higher initiations. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Beautiful! Did you each write every other line? >> freedom blossoms > love's indigo flame >> in the heart of the one > at the heart of the incarnation rose >> who realizes that > that is the sacred heart within the heart >> no amount of identification > that is love's ephmeral incandescent edge >> could possibly separate him > the circle of holy fire from which we arise and cannot flee >> from his inseparable nature. > that is deeper love spiraling transient love into higher love > > love is at the center, love is in between, love is at the edge > >> > >> Mira >> Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 yes, beloved dharma....poetry was the first thing that drew mira and i together....she wrote the odd numbered lines and i the even...but you should be able to tell that.....mira's sytle is clean, post modern and succinct....i am an effusive bleeding heart neo-romantic.....but somehow we connect and deeply.....even beyond words.....^^~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe Re: Re: can I ever realize the Bliss of the Self ?/Ego > Beautiful! Did you each write every other line? > > >> freedom blossoms > > love's indigo flame > >> in the heart of the one > > at the heart of the incarnation rose > >> who realizes that > > that is the sacred heart within the heart > >> no amount of identification > > that is love's ephmeral incandescent edge > >> could possibly separate him > > the circle of holy fire from which we arise and cannot flee > >> from his inseparable nature. > > that is deeper love spiraling transient love into higher love > > > > love is at the center, love is in between, love is at the edge > > > >> > > > >> Mira > >> Mark > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Hi Dharma, Yes in the other direction identification is Unity but 'identifying' it as Unity is separation. And yet, the 'spirit' of what you said is true beyond words - That is Unity. Love, James , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: > Hi James, > > > You had to learn to identify with name and form when you > >were a child - it was supported by your parents, family and society to > >such an extent that it seemed/seems 'natural' ... > > > > When you attend the wake of a 'friend' - there is a body > >there- where is your 'friend'? Is the body an aspect of ego? Isn't it > >also 'tool' used in life? > > > > identification is separation > > > On the other hand, when you turn in the other direction, identification is > unity. DK said that identification is the technique of the higher > initiations. > > Love, > Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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