Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 One of my favorite pages is from "Prior to Consciousness" Q. Is there such a thing as using one's will to do something. If one is trying to stay awake, saying a mantra, or meditating, and keeps pulling himself back from sleep, is he not doing something? M. At the stage of a seeker what he is doing may be right, but he will soon find out that the seeker disappears in the seeking. When the seeker disappears there is not question of doing. Later the seeker will understand that it was not his true nature which was doing all this, but that to which the label " born was attached-that is the consciousness which has identified itself with the body and the states of waking and sleeping. That whole bundle is what was doing and he is not that. This body is perceptible, but my true nature is That which was before the body and the consciousness came into being. Anything that is sensorially seen and interpreted by the mind is an appearance in consciousness, and is not true. I am not telling you anything which is foreign to my experience, I am telling you what I have understood and experienced. It is very simple: this is time-bound and anything which is time-bound is untrue, because time itself is a concept. What I am telling you is based on this simple fact, as it is based on my experience. If it appeals to you as a concept at the moment, accept it. Otherwise not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Hi Como Kasha, >One of my favorite pages is from "Prior to Consciousness" >Q. Is there such a thing as using one's will to do something. If one >is trying to stay awake, saying a mantra, or meditating, and keeps >pulling himself back from sleep, is he not doing something? > >M. At the stage of a seeker what he is doing may be right, but he >will soon find out that the seeker disappears in the seeking. When >the seeker disappears there is not question of doing. Later the >seeker will understand that it was not his true nature which was >doing all this, but that to which the label " born was attached-that >is the consciousness which has identified itself with the body and >the states of waking and sleeping. That whole bundle is what was >doing and he is not that. This body is perceptible, but my true >nature is That which was before the body and the consciousness came >into being. Anything that is sensorially seen and interpreted by the >mind is an appearance in consciousness, and is not true. I am not >telling you anything which is foreign to my experience, I am telling >you what I have understood and experienced. It is very simple: this >is time-bound and anything which is time-bound is untrue, because >time itself is a concept. I don't know the original language here, but to me it seems clearer if for "not true" and "untrue" we read "relative." >Anything that is sensorially seen and interpreted by the >mind is an appearance in consciousness, and is [relative]. I am not >telling you anything which is foreign to my experience, I am telling >you what I have understood and experienced. It is very simple: this >is time-bound and anything which is time-bound is [relative], because >time itself is a concept. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 yes! dharma.....i like the word 'relative'....do much over-reading of Nisaragadatta is done without due consider that his teachings were always personal.....given to a specific person at a specific time in a specific place approaching a specific place on the way....^^~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe Re: Nisaragadatta > Hi Como Kasha, > > >One of my favorite pages is from "Prior to Consciousness" > >Q. Is there such a thing as using one's will to do something. If one > >is trying to stay awake, saying a mantra, or meditating, and keeps > >pulling himself back from sleep, is he not doing something? > > > >M. At the stage of a seeker what he is doing may be right, but he > >will soon find out that the seeker disappears in the seeking. When > >the seeker disappears there is not question of doing. Later the > >seeker will understand that it was not his true nature which was > >doing all this, but that to which the label " born was attached-that > >is the consciousness which has identified itself with the body and > >the states of waking and sleeping. That whole bundle is what was > >doing and he is not that. This body is perceptible, but my true > >nature is That which was before the body and the consciousness came > >into being. Anything that is sensorially seen and interpreted by the > >mind is an appearance in consciousness, and is not true. I am not > >telling you anything which is foreign to my experience, I am telling > >you what I have understood and experienced. It is very simple: this > >is time-bound and anything which is time-bound is untrue, because > >time itself is a concept. > > I don't know the original language here, but to me it seems clearer if for > "not true" and "untrue" we read "relative." > > >Anything that is sensorially seen and interpreted by the > >mind is an appearance in consciousness, and is [relative]. I am not > >telling you anything which is foreign to my experience, I am telling > >you what I have understood and experienced. It is very simple: this > >is time-bound and anything which is time-bound is [relative], because > >time itself is a concept. > > Love, > Dharma > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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