Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Dear White Wolfe .. I thought the way you write once ... The metaphor of the Christian Doctrine is the metaphor for the final confrontation of the emptiness of the realisation that there is no beloved no Great Spirit no Supreme Self no mysticism So there is nothing more to experience .. just the chopping of wood and the carrying of water If you are still going through it then how can you have gone through it before except in your mind .. Christopher Wynter , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > > > dear christopher....white wolfe went through the dark night of the soul, the > cloud of unknowing, the valley of the shadow of death., etc....a long time > ago...and then again not so long ago....he is sorry, but in his experience > it is not the final doorway.....there is no such thing as a final > doorway.....what lies beyond the darkness is light piled upon > light....jacobs ascending ladder.....love is at our center and it is always > arising higher and higher.....know the beloved and you will discover that > this is so as white wolfe has.....but until you surrender to the beloved, > you are right, it can be very dark down here......^^~~~~ > > further up and further in, > > white wolfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 dear chris.... i think you mean that you once thought the way i now write (as below)....interesting....i did indeed once think the way you now write....are you aware that you have a double negative in your post....the emptiness of no beloved is the realization that the beloved manisfests itself in all things....the dark night of the soul and the re-birth of the soul arising out of the dark night of the soul....what is the difference between good and evil, light and dark, the lover and the beloved, the sinner and the saint, the master and the student....none that i can perceive....these all are not two but one and the same....it is a 'fallen' consciousness that creates dualities where none in fact exist....do you really think that St. John and St. Theresa ceased to suffer after their apprehension of the Godhead....their story is one of subliminated transient love unrequited.....their dark night was the result of the fact that they denied the body its proper satisfaction in pursuit of a false mental concept....the preservation of a mental self at the expense of a physical self that it is by necessity dependant upon...when the body dies so does the consciousness that lived within it....beyond the dark night of the soul is freedom to be all that one can be free of the guilt created by false mental concepts.....the thirteenth station of the cross is joy, compassion, equanimity, love, bliss....all arising.....^^~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe - <lifestreams <> Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:05 AM Re: The Final Doorway .. White Woolf > Dear White Wolfe .. > > I thought the way you write once ... > > > The metaphor of the Christian Doctrine > is the metaphor for the final confrontation > of the emptiness of the realisation > that there is no beloved > no Great Spirit > no Supreme Self > no mysticism > > So there is nothing more to experience .. > just the chopping of wood > and the carrying of water > > > If you are still going through it > then how can you have gone through it before > except in your mind .. > > Christopher Wynter > > > > , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > > > > > > dear christopher....white wolfe went through the dark night of the > soul, the > > cloud of unknowing, the valley of the shadow of death., etc....a > long time > > ago...and then again not so long ago....he is sorry, but in his > experience > > it is not the final doorway.....there is no such thing as a final > > doorway.....what lies beyond the darkness is light piled upon > > light....jacobs ascending ladder.....love is at our center and it > is always > > arising higher and higher.....know the beloved and you will > discover that > > this is so as white wolfe has.....but until you surrender to the > beloved, > > you are right, it can be very dark down here......^^~~~~ > > > > further up and further in, > > > > white wolfe > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 You wrote .... > do you really think that St. John and St. Theresa ceased > to suffer after their apprehension of the Godhead....their > story is one of subliminated transient ... This is the official version designed to maintain the concept of martyrdom .. yet a concept which does not have to be so. Suffering is not a pre-requisite for the self realised. There are those through history who have transcended the suffering brought about by not making their consciousness and vision real in the physical body. as you go on to write .. > their dark night was the result of the fact that they denied > the body its proper satisfaction in pursuit of a false mental > concept....the preservation of a mental self at the expense of > a physical self that it is by necessity dependant upon... > when the body dies so does the consciousness that lived > within it.... from experience .. this only occurs when the cellular body is clear of all denied and repressed thought forms and emotions otherwise, these can be photographed and measured leaving the body. In full conscious mahasamahdi, there is total final irrevocable dissolution into the no-thing or full-ness (note .. I did not use the words nothing or emptiness here) .. something that is only possible when there is no separation between the psyche and the id .. the persona and the shadow .. the conscious and unconscious thought process. In this state, the body achieves a purity .. which does not decay until long after death .. -- Christopher Wynter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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