Lip Service Intellectuality.

[Guest guest]

Namaste All,

 

It's a good job I don't write for approval hahahahah!!

 

If you examine my posts you will see again that with regard to

vegetarianism, I am talking of purification and ahimsa. I know and

love people who are meat eaters, including my dog. However they are

not intellectualising and claiming to be on some spiritual path. The

thoughts words and deeds are in sync with where they are at. They are

not hypocrites or intellectual gymnasts paying lip service.

 

Again if the awareness sheath is not purified enough, a person will

never appreciate the link between pain and suffering and their plate

of flesh food, or the animal vibrations ingested.

 

There is nobody on this planet who cannot replace flesh foods if they

want to. There are plenty of substitutes and vitamins and eggs!! It is

just low awareness mental gymnastics B.S. and addiction that's all. Be

honest and brave admit it!!!!

 

It is no good either anwering me with non dual this and that, when we

are talking about one's dualistic diet, that is just dishonest

intellectualism again.

 

"because the purified mind alone is capable of grasping his method and

stick to practice"...Ramana p 53. Conscious Immortality, Brunton and

Ramana.....

 

Being non dual is more than an intellectual understanding.

Nisargaddata puts the understanding at 1 in 10 million, but moksha is

a lot less, a mere handful.

 

I'll bet 6 billion to 1, there are no jivanmuktis writing here. This

list is interesting as it goes, but is more typical of N.American

thinking than anything, very shallow, lip service and the belief that

appearance is more important than practice or intellectualisation.

 

Om Namah Sivaya......Tony...

[Guest guest]

Namaste All,

Joyce - Doesn't this 'namaste' mean 'peace' to all, or some such

thing? And then you launch into what is hardly a peaceful message.

Tony - It's a good job I don't write for approval hahahahah!!

Joyce - No clue why you write.

Tony - If you examine my posts you will see again that with regard to

vegetarianism, I am talking of purification and ahimsa. I know and

love people who are meat eaters, including my dog. However they are

not intellectualising and claiming to be on some spiritual path. The

thoughts words and deeds are in sync with where they are at. They are

not hypocrites or intellectual gymnasts paying lip service.

Joyce -Tony, I find your posts a marvelous manifestation of

projection. Im not a meat eater, simply don't like it, but your posts

make me want to rush out and eat a steak.

A while ago one of your interminable anti meat eating posts went

something to the effect that if you ate meat youd end up like the

Rwandans, or perhaps it was the meat you are eating WAS at some point

a Rwandan or that Rwandans are in such a pickle because they ate meat,

or they ate each other. Im still confused as to your meaning. Id be

very happy to spend time with your dog!

Tony - Again if the awareness sheath is not purified enough, a person will

never appreciate the link between pain and suffering and their plate

of flesh food, or the animal vibrations ingested.

Joyce -well, you must be very pure then. How wonderful! E ma Ho! What is it like?

Tony - There is nobody on this planet who cannot replace flesh foods if they

want to. There are plenty of substitutes and vitamins and eggs!! It is

just low awareness mental gymnastics B.S. and addiction that's all. Be

honest and brave admit it!!!!

Joyce -Yawn, I don't care. But, iff admitting whatever would help you

find another topic Id have this tattoed on my forehead.

Tony - It is no good either anwering me with non dual this and that, when we

are talking about one's dualistic diet, that is just dishonest

intellectualism again.

Joyce - no point talking to you about anything at all. You are the

only honest intellectual here. How would we communicate?

Tony - "because the purified mind alone is capable of grasping his method and

stick to practice"...Ramana p 53. Conscious Immortality, Brunton and

Ramana.....

Joyce - try thinking of mind purified of my ME and MINE and grasping at eating stuff.

Tony - Being non dual is more than an intellectual understanding.

Nisargaddata puts the understanding at 1 in 10 million, but moksha is

a lot less, a mere handful.

Joyce -so true, so what!

Tony - I'll bet 6 billion to 1, there are no jivanmuktis writing here. This

list is interesting as it goes, but is more typical of N.American

thinking than anything, very shallow, lip service and the belief that

appearance is more important than practice or intellectualisation.

Joyce - One last sneering projection from the Man of Peace and more om's

Om Namah Sivaya......Tony...

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony:

>If you examine my posts you will see again that with regard to

>vegetarianism, I am talking of purification and ahimsa. I know and

>love people who are meat eaters, including my dog. However they are

>not intellectualising and claiming to be on some spiritual path. The

>thoughts words and deeds are in sync with where they are at. They are

>not hypocrites or intellectual gymnasts paying lip service.

>

>Again if the awareness sheath is not purified enough, a person will

>never appreciate the link between pain and suffering and their plate

>of flesh food, or the animal vibrations ingested.

 

Oh dear... <Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn>

 

Do you think you could discuss something besides vegetarianism and the

awareness sheath, Tony?

 

>I'll bet 6 billion to 1, there are no jivanmuktis writing here.

 

Well, you've clearly got your mind made up about that one, Tony. Don't let

anyone shake your belief! ))

>This

>list is interesting as it goes, but is more typical of N.American

>thinking than anything, very shallow, lip service and the belief that

>appearance is more important than practice or intellectualisation.

 

Is that why you keep writing here? Fit right in, do you?

 

Watch out for that intellectualisation... it'll trip you up every time.

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

, "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote:

> Tony - I'll bet 6 billion to 1, there are no jivanmuktis writing

here. This

> list is interesting as it goes, but is more typical of N.American

> thinking than anything, very shallow, lip service and the belief

that

> appearance is more important than practice or intellectualisation.

>

> Joyce - One last sneering projection from the Man of Peace and more

om's

>

> Om Namah Sivaya......Tony..

 

Namaste Joyce,

 

No sneer, what is wrong with the world can be mostly put at the

doorsteps of N.America and its totally false values and culture.

Notice I said N.America, inferring the 'culture'. If I wanted to have

a shot at Americans I would have said yanks this and yanks that etc.

N.American culture leads the world in its example and influence. It is

the new Atlantis in its last days, as a comparison.

 

With regard to Ruanda, School shootings etc. My point was that all

these terrible vibrations of fear, torture, death, separation from

families, that happen in our meat trade infest the astral and the

subtle mind. Billions of animals are killed yearly especially in the

Western factory holocausts. These vibrations do not disipate, there is

a reaction to every action. Also many animal jivas are incarnated with

a human body and still have the samskaras, including the ones they

got when they were tortured and killed, they are resentful of humans

for interfering with their destiny. Hence all this world violence,

state executions, massacres etc etc.

 

Also someone mentioned mucous, well there is nothing so mucosa

producing as meat rotting in one's gut for a few days, filling the

bowel pockets with poisons. Ah!! well, it is whatever stage one is at

I suppose.

 

You call me a man of peace, who told you that? I support violence in

legitimate self defence and for coming to the aid of others. I don't

believe in the indiscriminate murder of nuclear weapons, or power

plants.....ONS....Tony.

[Guest guest]

Hey Tony, Jan, Harsha and other nutritionists,

 

Tony mentioned the mucosa-producing characteristics of decomposing meat in

the intestines. I have also noticed that wheat flour can also produce

mucous and other fluids in unusual places. Watery eyes, sniffles, mild

bloating of different parts of the body, etc. Has anyone else seen that?

A Colombian friend of mine who teaches yoga says that in Latin America, the

holistic health practitioners explain this by saying that there are tiny

microscopic parasites in wheat flour.

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 04:57 PM 6/5/01 -0000, Tony O'Clery wrote:

>

>Also someone mentioned mucous, well there is nothing so mucosa

>producing as meat rotting in one's gut for a few days, filling the

>bowel pockets with poisons. Ah!! well, it is whatever stage one is at

>I suppose.

[Guest guest]

Joyce:

-Tony, I find your posts a marvelous manifestation of projection. Im

not a meat eater, simply don't like it, but your posts make me want

to rush out and eat a steak.LOLOLOL!!!! Been a veggie for years, yet

his posts have the same effect on me!!!

Mira

[Guest guest]

It seems the effect of Tony's

writing is quite universal,

quite an achievement, no?

Perhaps Mira is susceptible

because of her marriage to a

"North American." For

myself, it could be the only

factor preventing me from

personally butchering the

nearest hapless bovine after

reading a few of Tony's posts

is probably caution on account

of the recent upturn in nasty

livestock infections. :-)

 

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:17:17 +0200 "Mirror" <mirror (AT) universalmail (DOT) com> writes:

Joyce:

-Tony, I find your posts a marvelous manifestation of projection. Im

not a meat eater, simply don't like it, but your posts make me want

to rush out and eat a steak.LOLOLOL!!!! Been a veggie for years, yet

his posts have the same effect on me!!!

 

http://come.to/realizationhttp://www.atman.net/realizationhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htmhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

[Guest guest]

LOLOLOLLOL!!!! Yes, I had noticed the wagons circling - as someone

compulsively obsessive about having everyone happy and part of the

friendly harmonious non-dual non lonely group, 'Tony' aka 'impossible

love' is great practice fodder. There's this wierd kid at the corner

of our sandbox playing with himself. He seems happy enough but how

to believe this is so and then just leave him to it. He gets lots of

attention, perhaps that's enough. Joyce

It seems the effect of Tony's

writing is quite universal,

quite an achievement, no?

Perhaps Mira is susceptible

because of her marriage to a

"North American." For

myself, it could be the only

factor preventing me from

personally butchering the

nearest hapless bovine after

reading a few of Tony's posts

is probably caution on account

of the recent upturn in nasty

livestock infections. :-)

[Guest guest]

Dear Tony,

 

You wrote:

> I'll bet 6 billion to 1, there are no jivanmuktis writing here.

 

At least you have turned this into a bet now...

You are so much fun...

 

BTW, you are still not attending to the question about who duped you

within the first two minutes of your life?

 

Love, Wim

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce,

> LOLOLOLLOL!!!! Yes, I had noticed the wagons circling - as someone

>compulsively obsessive about having everyone happy and part of the

>friendly harmonious non-dual non lonely group, 'Tony' aka 'impossible

>love' is great practice fodder. There's this wierd kid at the corner of

>our sandbox playing with himself. He seems happy enough but how to

>believe this is so and then just leave him to it. He gets lots of

>attention, perhaps that's enough.

 

Sure. Just on Sunday he wrote:

>Yes I am well aware I get really good responses from my 'stir' posts.

[Guest guest]

, Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote:

> It seems the effect of Tony's

> writing is quite universal,

> quite an achievement, no?

> Perhaps Mira is susceptible

> because of her marriage to a

> "North American." For

> myself, it could be the only

> factor preventing me from

> personally butchering the

> nearest hapless bovine after

> reading a few of Tony's posts

> is probably caution on account

> of the recent upturn in nasty

> livestock infections. :-)

>

> On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:17:17 +0200 "Mirror" <mirror@u...>

> writes:

> Joyce:

> -Tony, I find your posts a marvelous manifestation of projection. Im

not

> a meat eater, simply don't like it, but your posts make me want to

rush

> out and eat a steak.

>

> LOLOLOL!!!! Been a veggie for years, yet his posts have the same

effect

> on me!!!

Namaste All,

 

I have no interest whether you like my posts or me at all. I can see

what I am pointing out is obvious by the low level of awareness

here.ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/01 at 1:09 PM Greg Goode wrote:

 

ºHey Tony, Jan, Harsha and other nutritionists,

º

ºTony mentioned the mucosa-producing characteristics of decomposing meat in

ºthe intestines. I have also noticed that wheat flour can also produce

ºmucous and other fluids in unusual places. Watery eyes, sniffles, mild

ºbloating of different parts of the body, etc. Has anyone else seen that?

ºA Colombian friend of mine who teaches yoga says that in Latin America, the

ºholistic health practitioners explain this by saying that there are tiny

ºmicroscopic parasites in wheat flour.

º

ºLove,

º

º--Greg

 

Hi Greg,

 

One observation is worth more than 1,000 books: Yes, in principle, any processed

food

can cause mucous and other fluids. Hence, a vegetarian diet can easily be much

worse than

a proper diet based on meat. And the issue of Ahimsa can be sent to the waste

basket,

realizing that when not caring for one's body, all else is but self-deceit -

which comes

at a very high price...

 

Regarding food, what matters is this:

1. what can the body absorb from it?

(efficiency of obtaining nutrients from food)

2. is the body able to eliminate the residue completely?

(when not, mucous, flu, colds, low level of energy to mention a few 'nasties'.

Notice that overeating on avocados can cause 'elimination overload' too!)

3. does the body get everything it needs?

(when not, among others, it will age too fast)

 

Love,

Jan

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/01 at 7:17 PM Mirror wrote:

Joyce:

-Tony, I find your posts a marvelous manifestation of projection. Im

not a meat eater, simply don't like it, but your posts make me want

to rush out and eat a steak.LOLOLOL!!!! Been a veggie for years, yet

his posts have the same effect on me!!!

Mira

 

Despite Tony's posts I wouldn't eat meat and even if it would be 'hidden' in a dish

I would have to eat (as a token of respect or so)I would sense it immediately )

Because, that happened once and it wasn't pleasant... And that, although what could refer to as "practice", ended over 30 years ago

Jan

[Guest guest]

, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote:

> On 6/5/01 at 1:09 PM Greg Goode wrote:

>

> ºHey Tony, Jan, Harsha and other nutritionists,

> º

> ºTony mentioned the mucosa-producing characteristics of decomposing

meat in

> ºthe intestines. I have also noticed that wheat flour can also

produce

> ºmucous and other fluids in unusual places. Watery eyes, sniffles,

mild

> ºbloating of different parts of the body, etc. Has anyone else seen

that?

> ºA Colombian friend of mine who teaches yoga says that in Latin

America, the

> ºholistic health practitioners explain this by saying that there are

tiny

> ºmicroscopic parasites in wheat flour.

> º

> ºLove,

> º

> º--Greg

>

> Hi Greg,

>

> One observation is worth more than 1,000 books: Yes, in principle,

any processed food

> can cause mucous and other fluids. Hence, a vegetarian diet can

easily be much worse than

> a proper diet based on meat. And the issue of Ahimsa can be sent to

the waste basket,

> realizing that when not caring for one's body, all else is but

self-deceit - which comes

> at a very high price...

>

> Regarding food, what matters is this:

> 1. what can the body absorb from it?

> (efficiency of obtaining nutrients from food)

> 2. is the body able to eliminate the residue completely?

> (when not, mucous, flu, colds, low level of energy to mention a few

'nasties'.

> Notice that overeating on avocados can cause 'elimination overload'

too!)

> 3. does the body get everything it needs?

> (when not, among others, it will age too fast)

>

> Love,

> Jan

 

Namaste,

 

I'm not a nutritionist, the main reason I don't eat meat is because of

the incredible cruelty and torture the animals suffer to produce it.

It is out of compassion for the animal that I don't eat meat, I never

even thought about the nutritional aspects until

later......ONS....Tony.

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/01 at 7:55 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

[...]

ºNamaste All,

º

ºI have no interest whether you like my posts or me at all. I can see

ºwhat I am pointing out is obvious by the low level of awareness

ºhere.ONS...Tony.

 

"Here" - does that mean "your place", Tony?

When so, it makes sense <laugh>

BTW, isn't awareness of levels the best way

to level awareness? In that case, keep up the

good work!!

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/01 at 8:16 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

 

[...]º

ºNamaste,

º

ºI'm not a nutritionist, the main reason I don't eat meat is because of

ºthe incredible cruelty and torture the animals suffer to produce it.

ºIt is out of compassion for the animal that I don't eat meat, I never

ºeven thought about the nutritional aspects until

ºlater......ONS....Tony.

 

 

Didn't anyone teach you to think for yourself Tony?

On this planet, arguments always lose...

Which means, replacing one system of belief

with another is next to impossible - unless there is

a big reward. If I promised you some hitherto hidden

techniques to purify the mind that fast that Moksha

would be 'attained' within a year, would you be prepared

to eat meat for it? If you say yes, it's based on belief,

when 'no' the same.

 

Regarding suffering of animals, I could write a book titled

"life as self-torture", referring to the neglected and abused

mind-bodies I daily see at the beach... Knowing that, not

a surprise there's so much animal suffering too... Ahimsa starts

with your "own" mind-body! And how about the subject of

"suppression" - himsa too.

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote:

> On 6/5/01 at 7:55 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

> [...]

> ºNamaste All,

> º

> ºI have no interest whether you like my posts or me at all. I can

see

> ºwhat I am pointing out is obvious by the low level of awareness

> ºhere.ONS...Tony.

>

> "Here" - does that mean "your place", Tony?

> When so, it makes sense <laugh>

> BTW, isn't awareness of levels the best way

> to level awareness? In that case, keep up the

> good work!!

>

> Jan

 

Namaste Jan,

 

Further to my statement about nobody being realised on here. It is

nice to see there is another old sarcastic bastard like me on

here!hahahahahah ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote:

> On 6/5/01 at 8:16 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

>

> [...]º

> ºNamaste,

> º

> ºI'm not a nutritionist, the main reason I don't eat meat is because

of

> ºthe incredible cruelty and torture the animals suffer to produce

it.

> ºIt is out of compassion for the animal that I don't eat meat, I

never

> ºeven thought about the nutritional aspects until

> ºlater......ONS....Tony.

>

>

> Didn't anyone teach you to think for yourself Tony?

> On this planet, arguments always lose...

> Which means, replacing one system of belief

> with another is next to impossible - unless there is

> a big reward. If I promised you some hitherto hidden

> techniques to purify the mind that fast that Moksha

> would be 'attained' within a year, would you be prepared

> to eat meat for it? If you say yes, it's based on belief,

> when 'no' the same.

>

> Regarding suffering of animals, I could write a book titled

> "life as self-torture", referring to the neglected and abused

> mind-bodies I daily see at the beach... Knowing that, not

> a surprise there's so much animal suffering too... Ahimsa starts

> with your "own" mind-body! And how about the subject of

> "suppression" - himsa too.

>

> Jan

 

Namast Jan,

 

I think for myself, animals are not willful they are innocent there

is no comparison. I usually spend the summer in Australia and as I am

a swimmer and surfer, I see lots of those semi naked bodies at the

beach also. Aussie beaches all being topless etc! Suppression has not

ever been a phrase thrown at me!!!Most people are human animals and

not descended from the Adamics, as is evidenced. They do however have

a conscience and the body is a boat to take us across samsara, it is a

gift. Especially a human one!!ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/01 at 8:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

 

º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote:

º> On 6/5/01 at 7:55 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

º> [...]

º> ºNamaste All,

º> º

º> ºI have no interest whether you like my posts or me at all. I can

ºsee

º> ºwhat I am pointing out is obvious by the low level of awareness

º> ºhere.ONS...Tony.

º>

º> "Here" - does that mean "your place", Tony?

º> When so, it makes sense <laugh>

º> BTW, isn't awareness of levels the best way

º> to level awareness? In that case, keep up the

º> good work!!

º>

º> Jan

º

ºNamaste Jan,

º

ºFurther to my statement about nobody being realised on here. It is

ºnice to see there is another old sarcastic bastard like me on

ºhere!hahahahahah ONS...Tony.

 

Even when paid for, I would refuse "realization" - peace of mind these

days is so pleasant that I would be crazy to take such a risk <laugh>

So instead I take the risk to be reborn with this state of mind

What if even the best friends can't add the smallest speck of

pleasure so you would rather not meet them again?

What would you suggest to say to them?

Any good recipe from the books?

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

Namaste All,

It's a good job I don't write for approval hahahahah!!

If you examine my posts you will see again that with regard to

vegetarianism, I am talking of purification and ahimsa. I know and

love people who are meat eaters, including my dog. However they are

not intellectualising and claiming to be on some spiritual path. The

thoughts words and deeds are in sync with where they are at. They are

not hypocrites or intellectual gymnasts paying lip service.

Again if the awareness sheath is not purified enough, a person will

never appreciate the link between pain and suffering and their plate

of flesh food, or the animal vibrations ingested.

There is nobody on this planet who cannot replace flesh foods if they

want to. There are plenty of substitutes and vitamins and eggs!! It is

just low awareness mental gymnastics B.S. and addiction that's all. Be

honest and brave admit it!!!!

It is no good either anwering me with non dual this and that, when we

are talking about one's dualistic diet, that is just dishonest

intellectualism again.

"because the purified mind alone is capable of grasping his method

and

stick to practice"...Ramana p 53. Conscious Immortality, Brunton and

Ramana.....

Being non dual is more than an intellectual understanding.

Nisargaddata puts the understanding at 1 in 10 million, but moksha is

a lot less, a mere handful.

I'll bet 6 billion to 1, there are no jivanmuktis writing here. This

list is interesting as it goes, but is more typical of N.American

thinking than anything, very shallow, lip service and the belief that

appearance is more important than practice or intellectualisation.

Om Namah Sivaya......Tony...

Hi Tony!

I get that you believe you're right

and others wrong. I get that you

don't like the idea of people eating

animals, too.

Your writing consistently

portrays anyone who agrees with

you as purifying themselves and anyone who disagrees

as dishonest, addicted, shallow, etc.

The theme repeating itself through your words is

that Tony is right, correct, good, on the side of the angels,

and others are wrong, incorrect, bad, defiling themselves.

You ignore questions about your approach:

"my way or the highway" ...

and if anyone points out the

oppositional placing of self vs.

other, good vs. bad in your writing,

that's dismissed as intellectualizing.

So, the bottom line of your message seems to

be: the only good intellectualizing is Tony's,

so just agree with Tony and be saved, or disagree

and be damned.

This is plain and simple fundamentalism, the same

wolf that has appeared in the sheep's clothing of

every religion and approach -- the me vs. you,

scripture-quoting, "I'm right and you're going to

hell if you don't heed me" approach that is marked

by repetition, dismissal of intelligent questions,

and personal attacks (you're impure, defiling yourself,

shallow, intellectualizing, in denial, etc.) in

the guise of caring (I want to help you, save the planet,

save you from bad incarnations, hell, whatever).

Peace,

Dan

[Guest guest]

Joyce - Doesn't this 'namaste' mean 'peace' to all, or some such

thing?

Doesn't this

'Joyce' mean 'humor and laughter', or some such thing?

If not, it

should ...

LOL,

Dan

[Guest guest]

>It seems the effect of Tony's

>writing is quite universal,

>quite an achievement, no?

 

Yes!

 

Finally - a universal response

to a statement of truth!

 

Can salvation be far off?

 

-- D.

[Guest guest]

At 01:52 PM 6/5/01 -0400, you wrote:

>LOLOLOLLOL!!!! Yes, I had noticed the wagons circling - as someone

>compulsively obsessive about having everyone happy and part of the

>friendly harmonious non-dual non lonely group, 'Tony' aka 'impossible

>love' is great practice fodder. There's this wierd kid at the corner of

>our sandbox playing with himself. He seems happy enough but how to

>believe this is so and then just leave him to it. He gets lots of

>attention, perhaps that's enough. Joyce

 

'Tony' aka 'impossible love' is doing the perfect

job of being 'Tony'!

 

And I love you for it, Tony!

 

'Tony' is thriving, and all this attention is just

what he needs ... probably up to a point,

as you say ...

 

Dan

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:02:18 -0400 Daniel Berkow <berkowd

writes:

> At 01:52 PM 6/5/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >LOLOLOLLOL!!!! Yes, I had noticed the wagons circling - as someone

>

> >compulsively obsessive about having everyone happy and part of the

>

> >friendly harmonious non-dual non lonely group, 'Tony' aka

> 'impossible

> >love' is great practice fodder. There's this wierd kid at the

> corner of

> >our sandbox playing with himself. He seems happy enough but how to

>

> >believe this is so and then just leave him to it. He gets lots of

> >attention, perhaps that's enough. Joyce

>

> 'Tony' aka 'impossible love' is doing the perfect

> job of being 'Tony'!

>

> And I love you for it, Tony!

>

> 'Tony' is thriving, and all this attention is just

> what he needs ... probably up to a point,

> as you say ...

>

Let's keep in mind Tony's recent

history as a Sai Baba devotee.

This all may well be part of a

grieving and/or recovery process

for him -- having found oneself a

bhakta to a guru discovered to be

dubious must be traumatic in the

extreme. Try to imagine how some

of us might react to finding that

our beloved guruji used cheap

slight of hand and/or was an

alleged molester of children --

writing a great deal about purity

of lifestyle and emphasizing

extreme harmlessness in the wake

of such an experience makes some

sense psychologically.

 

 

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Namaste All,

 

This will be last post today, I have to do some work. It is

fascinating that people, Dan etc, think that I need attention. No that

isn't it. I don't know why I write here, sometimes I disappear for

months and months and then here I am again. I suppose it is to give

the intellectuals a whipping boy when I quote Buddha and Ramana, for

it wouldn't be proper to attack them would it? but Tony is fine.

 

Yes its fine and I do have broad shoulders and it is difficult to

insult me or so my wife says.

 

The Buddha didn't talk of God but he did intimate 'something'( Nirguna

Brahman), or it would all be a waste. Also his lessons were full of

morality and non violence to all sentient beings, much ignored by so

called Buddhists.

 

It is not my way or the highway, I've said that I never talk about

this stuff to meat eaters not on the spiritual path. I'm extremely

tolerant and open minded. I am just mirroring some of your hypocrisy

or perhaps some ringing truths.

 

One cannot intellectually project oneself into moksha, it is only in

the mind, thoughts. One has to walk the walk and talk the talk. I have

sympathy for the animals for I know how they suffer needlessly to feed

people's bellies.

 

Intellectualism is tremendously effete, it let the Nazis kill 11,5

million in the concentration camps,Jews, Gypsies etc, it let the

Ruandan massacre happen, it lets people die all around the world. I

see no benefits from it all, they are never the ones that 'do',

anything. Perhaps because they believe there is nothing to do, non

dualistic speech of course. No matter how brilliant a mind,if the

Buddhi isn't purified then you'll be back again and again, still

talking non dually.

 

All knowledge is false knowledge and avidya anyway. It doesn't alter

the fact that trying to see mass slaughter and torture for food is

really someones business, is so much crap coming from supposedly

enlightened people.

 

It just illustrates well my point about awareness and purification,

much of which quotes I have given from Buddha and Ramana.

 

I enjoy watching your mental gymnastics but you don't get my respect,

just pity for the missed opportunity.

 

Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.