Lilith misunderstood!

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Namaste All,

 

Lilith was 'Adams', first wife in the allegory. She represented the

pre adamic man, and perhaps the mixtures. At an early date man was

made both 'male and female', so sex must have been a bit of a toss up.

You know who was going to do what with what and to whom!!hahah

 

Lilith fell out with Adam because she wanted to be on top, or the

story goes. All mystical cabbala stuff.(Strangely the Freemasons still

use Lilith in some of their ceremonies----Owl Woman.)

 

At the separation of the sexes the female energy was Eve and the male

Adam. I treat this is representative of large groups not just two

people per se.

 

The Adamics were not meat eaters, the other hominids and mixtures

seemingly were.Genesis 1:29

 

'And 'God' said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed,

which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree, in which is the

fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you shall it be for meat!!!'

 

'He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a

lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck..' Isaiah66;3

 

Although the Adamics carried the day with Rama, they lost in the

rebellion prior to Atlantis's destruction. Vegetarianism is a vestige

of the spiritual nature of the Adamic Kumaras.

 

 

Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.

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dearest tonysan....

 

bark, barf, barf, bark....which lilith did you sleep with....was a different

one than one i did.....that is not what i meant at all....at all what i

meant that is not....bark, barf, barf, bark....ROTFLOL......^^~~~~~

 

Lilith misunderstood!

 

> Namaste All,

>

> Lilith was 'Adams', first wife in the allegory. She represented the

> pre adamic man, and perhaps the mixtures. At an early date man was

> made both 'male and female', so sex must have been a bit of a toss up.

> You know who was going to do what with what and to whom!!hahah

>

> Lilith fell out with Adam because she wanted to be on top, or the

> story goes. All mystical cabbala stuff.(Strangely the Freemasons still

> use Lilith in some of their ceremonies----Owl Woman.)

>

> At the separation of the sexes the female energy was Eve and the male

> Adam. I treat this is representative of large groups not just two

> people per se.

>

> The Adamics were not meat eaters, the other hominids and mixtures

> seemingly were.Genesis 1:29

>

> 'And 'God' said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed,

> which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree, in which is the

> fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you shall it be for meat!!!'

>

> 'He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a

> lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck..' Isaiah66;3

>

> Although the Adamics carried the day with Rama, they lost in the

> rebellion prior to Atlantis's destruction. Vegetarianism is a vestige

> of the spiritual nature of the Adamic Kumaras.

>

>

> Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.

>

>

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Here is the legend of Lilith... and I couldn't resist including a little

more. Also, as I recall, the Old English epic Beowulf has a story that

the monsters in the epic were descended from Cain, who was born of Lilith,

not Eve.

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LEGENDS OF THE PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, Rev. S. Baring-Gould, M.A., New

York: John B. Alden, pub., 1884, pp. 33-35.

 

That Eve was Adam's second wife was a common Rabbinic speculation;

certain of the commentators on Genesis having adopted this view to account

for the double account of the creation of woman in the sacred text, - first

in Genesis i. 27, and secondly in Genesis ii. 18; and they say that Adam's

first wife was named Lilith, but she was expelled from Eden, and after her

expulsion Eve was created.

Abraham Ecchellensis gives the following account of Lilith, and her

doings: - "There are some who do not regard spectres as simple devils, but

suppose them to be of a mixed nature, part demoniacal, part human, and to

have had their origin from Lilith, Adam's first wife, by Eblis, the prince

of the devils. This fable has been transmitted to the Arabs from Jewish

sources, by some converts of Mahomet from Cabalism and Rabbinism, who have

transferred all the Jewish fooleries to the Arabs. They gave to Adam a wife

formed of clay, along with Adam, and called her Lilith; resting on the

Scripture, 'male and female created He them:'1 but when this woman, on

account of her simultaneous creation with him, became proud and a vexation

to her husband, God expelled her from Paradise, and then said. 'It is not

good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helpmeet for him.'2

And this they confirmed by the words of Adam when he saw the woman

fashioned from his rib, 'This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my

flesh,'3 which is as much as to say, Now God has given me a wife and

companion, suitable to me, taken from my bone and flesh, but the other wife

he gave me was not of my bone and flesh, and therefore was not a suitable

companion and wife for me.

"But Lilith, after she was expelled from Paradise, is said to have

married the Devil, by whom she had children, who are called Jins. These

were endued with six qualities, of which they share three with men, and

three with devils. Like men, they generate in their own likeness, eat food,

and die. Like devils, they are winged, and they fly where they list with

great velocity; they are invisible, and they can pass through solid

substances without injuring them. This race of Jins is supposed to be less

noxious to men, and indeed to live in some familiarity and friendship with

them, as in part sharers of their nature. The author of the history and

acts of Alexander of Macedon relates, that in a certain region of India, on

certain hours of the day, the young Jins assume a human form, and appear

openly and play games with the native children of human parents quite

familiarly."4

It must not be supposed that women, as they are now, are at all

comparable to Eve in her pristine beauty; on this point the Talmud says:

"All women in respect of Sarah are like monkeys in respect of men. But

Sarah can no more be compared to Eve than can a monkey be compared with a

man. In like manner it may be said, if any comparison could be drawn

between Eve and Adam, she stood to him in the same relation of beauty as

does a monkey to a man; but if you were to compare Adam with God, Adam

would be the monkey, and God the man."5

Literary ladies may point to the primal mother as the first authoress;

for a Gospel of Eve existed in the times of S. Epiphanius, who mentions it

as being in repute among the Gnostics.6 And the Mussulmans attribute to

her a volume of Prophecies which were written at her dictation by the Angel

Raphael.7

All ladies will be glad to learn that there is a tradition, Manichean,

it is true, and anathematized by S. Clement, which nevertheless contains a

large element of truth; it is to this effect, that Adam, when made, was

like a beast, coarse, rude, and inanimate, but that from Eve he received

his upright position, his polish, and his spirituality.8

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1. Gen. i. 27.

2. Ibid., ii. 18.

3. Ibid, .23.

4. Abraham Ecchellensis, Hist. Arabum, p. 268.

5. Talmud, Tract. Bava Bathra.

6. S. Epiphan. Haeres., xxvi.

7. Tho. Bangius, Coelum Orientis, p.103.

8. S. Clementi Recog., c.iv.

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beloved dharma....

thank you for this posting....it has been years since i really thought

about Lilith.....George MacDonald makes wonderful use of this

evocative myth in Phantases....maybe i will dig around and see if i

can find it and re-read it on my flight to holland....i was thinking

of re-reading Moby Dick since i have not touched this tome in about

20 years either....and yes, Beowulf....there is a connection between

all these somewhere.....ah yes.....Ismael is the narrator of

MD....another great symbol of one who is a spiritual 'outcast, one

who is unregenerate'.....complexity within complexity....duality

within duality......the one who is reputedly blind 'spiritually'

looking in upon those who are blind but have convinced themselves

that they are not.....your presence and wisdom are a blessing to us

all.....i send you love.....^^~~~~~

further up and further in,

white wolfeRe: Lilith misunderstood!

> Here is the legend of Lilith... and I couldn't resist including a

little> more. Also, as I recall, the Old English epic Beowulf has

a story that> the monsters in the epic were descended from Cain, who

was born of Lilith,> not Eve.> ------------------------------> >

LEGENDS OF THE PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, Rev. S. Baring-Gould, M.A.,

New> York: John B. Alden, pub., 1884, pp. 33-35.> > That Eve was

Adam's second wife was a common Rabbinic speculation;> certain of the

commentators on Genesis having adopted this view to account> for the

double account of the creation of woman in the sacred text, - first>

in Genesis i. 27, and secondly in Genesis ii. 18; and they say that

Adam's> first wife was named Lilith, but she was expelled from Eden,

and after her> expulsion Eve was created.> Abraham Ecchellensis

gives the following account of Lilith, and her> doings: - "There are

some who do not regard spectres as simple devils, but> suppose them

to be of a mixed nature, part demoniacal, part human, and to> have

had their origin from Lilith, Adam's first wife, by Eblis, the

prince> of the devils. This fable has been transmitted to the Arabs

from Jewish> sources, by some converts of Mahomet from Cabalism and

Rabbinism, who have> transferred all the Jewish fooleries to the

Arabs. They gave to Adam a wife> formed of clay, along with Adam, and

called her Lilith; resting on the> Scripture, 'male and female created

He them:'1 but when this woman, on> account of her simultaneous

creation with him, became proud and a vexation> to her husband, God

expelled her from Paradise, and then said. 'It is not> good that the

man should be alone; I will make him a helpmeet for him.'2> And this

they confirmed by the words of Adam when he saw the woman> fashioned

from his rib, 'This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my> flesh,'3

which is as much as to say, Now God has given me a wife and>

companion, suitable to me, taken from my bone and flesh, but the

other wife> he gave me was not of my bone and flesh, and therefore

was not a suitable> companion and wife for me.> "But Lilith,

after she was expelled from Paradise, is said to have> married the

Devil, by whom she had children, who are called Jins. These> were

endued with six qualities, of which they share three with men, and>

three with devils. Like men, they generate in their own likeness, eat

food,> and die. Like devils, they are winged, and they fly where they

list with> great velocity; they are invisible, and they can pass

through solid> substances without injuring them. This race of Jins is

supposed to be less> noxious to men, and indeed to live in some

familiarity and friendship with> them, as in part sharers of their

nature. The author of the history and> acts of Alexander of Macedon

relates, that in a certain region of India, on> certain hours of the

day, the young Jins assume a human form, and appear> openly and play

games with the native children of human parents quite> familiarly."4>

It must not be supposed that women, as they are now, are at all>

comparable to Eve in her pristine beauty; on this point the Talmud

says:> "All women in respect of Sarah are like monkeys in respect of

men. But> Sarah can no more be compared to Eve than can a monkey be

compared with a> man. In like manner it may be said, if any

comparison could be drawn> between Eve and Adam, she stood to him in

the same relation of beauty as> does a monkey to a man; but if you

were to compare Adam with God, Adam> would be the monkey, and God the

man."5> Literary ladies may point to the primal mother as the

first authoress;> for a Gospel of Eve existed in the times of S.

Epiphanius, who mentions it> as being in repute among the Gnostics.6

And the Mussulmans attribute to> her a volume of Prophecies which were

written at her dictation by the Angel> Raphael.7> All ladies will

be glad to learn that there is a tradition, Manichean,> it is true,

and anathematized by S. Clement, which nevertheless contains a> large

element of truth; it is to this effect, that Adam, when made, was>

like a beast, coarse, rude, and inanimate, but that from Eve he

received> his upright position, his polish, and his spirituality.8>

--------------------------> > 1. Gen. i. 27.> 2. Ibid., ii. 18.> 3.

Ibid, .23.> 4. Abraham Ecchellensis, Hist. Arabum, p. 268.> 5.

Talmud, Tract. Bava Bathra.> 6. S. Epiphan. Haeres., xxvi.> 7. Tho.

Bangius, Coelum Orientis, p.103.> 8. S. Clementi Recog., c.iv.> > > >

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Hi Wolf,

> beloved dharma.... thank you for this posting....it has been years

>since i really thought about Lilith.....George MacDonald makes wonderful

>use of this evocative myth in Phantases....maybe i will dig around and

>see if i can find it and re-read it on my flight to holland....

 

I don't know that book... is it something I should look for?

 

How did you like the last little bit?

>snip< that Adam, when made, was> like a beast, coarse, rude, and

>inanimate, but that from Eve he received> his upright position, his

>polish, and his spirituality.

 

I couldn't resist leaving it in. ))

 

Love,

Dharma