Dave Oshana

[Guest guest]

The first piece has just been sent to the OshanaWords list.You can

find it and if you like

atOshanaWords/message/1The subject

isTeaching and Shynessand indicates that one does not have a choice

to be a teacher even if one feels that one is insufficiently

prepared.love dave

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

> The first piece has just been sent to the OshanaWords list.You can

>find it and if you like

>atOshanaWords/message/1

>The subject is Teaching and Shyness and indicates that one does not have

>a choice to be a teacher even if one feels that one is insufficiently

>prepared.

 

Cayce said that knowledge not used is sin.

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

On 6/7/01 at 2:34 AM Dharma wrote:

 

ºHi Dave,

º

º> The first piece has just been sent to the OshanaWords list.You can

º>find it and if you like

º>atOshanaWords/message/1

º

º>The subject is Teaching and Shyness and indicates that one does not have

º>a choice to be a teacher even if one feels that one is insufficiently

º>prepared.

º

ºCayce said that knowledge not used is sin.

 

Hi Dharma,

 

Since you are more or less speaking in Cayce's behalf, here is some 'knowledge':

-

To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is enough,

not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

as such a one will have to face sooner or later,

to have been battling/circumventing/compensating the ill effects

of upbringing and education - one lifetime long.... without much success

( "attaining" 'moksha/nirvana').

Without the 'boon' of unconditional happiness, that would be

hard to bear, isn't it?

-

Love,

Jan

 

 

ºLove,

ºDharma

[Guest guest]

, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

>

> to have been battling/circumventing/compensating the ill effects

> of upbringing and education - one lifetime long.... without much

success

> ( "attaining" 'moksha/nirvana').

> Without the 'boon' of unconditional happiness, that would be

> hard to bear, isn't it?

> -

> Love,

> Jan

>

*******

I can't wait to hear the reply on this one. :-)

 

I'll take tails he runs. :-)

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

>†Cayce said that knowledge not used is sin.

>

>Since you are more or less speaking in Cayce's behalf,

 

Not me! I don't think quoting someone is "speaking on his behalf."

 

I've always thought that was a good way to put it... that if we're able to

do something to help someone or contribute to the community and then we

just stifle and don't use what we have, that's wrong. So instead of just

using his words, I gave the source.

> here is some 'knowledge':

>-

>To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

>to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

>and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

>living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is enough,

>not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

>as such a one will have to face sooner or later,

>to have been battling/circumventing/compensating the ill effects

>of upbringing and education - one lifetime long.... without much success

>( "attaining" 'moksha/nirvana').

>Without the 'boon' of unconditional happiness, that would be

>hard to bear, isn't it?

>-

 

Thank you, Jan. But I have to ask: what is the message you're trying to

get across to me?

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Since I posted by forwarding Dave Oshana's message, allow me to clear

up the betting situation. Far as I know he has not joined the list,

so whether he would stay or go is a moot question...

Secondly, the issues you all are raising about teaching, not teaching,

quoting, why, why not etc... are interesting, but Dave's message was

speaking of a choicelessness about it all FOR HIM. He isn't making

that a rule for everybody. In his case, after he awakened, people

simply began spontaneously awakening in his presence, so he makes

himself available for dialogues, giving very freely of his time,btw.

He is remarkably free of beliefs, dogma, shoulds, and sins, etc...my

impression over the last year has been that he is a naturally funny,

down to earth sort of guy, not at all a pompous guru type of teacher.

Gill Eardley from our list has been to meet him in person, she would

be a good one to ask about him.

What you guys are talking about here just doesn't seem relevant to

Dave. If anyone is more curious about him, they can read a series of

his replies to emails from his other list. I think he is a cool guy,

but I can't prove it. LOL!! Peoploe are always free to make up their

own minds, or react however they react.

oshana

Thanks,

Gloria

And I am not speaking FOR him, either. Isn't it pretty clear that we

can only speak for ourselves, even in the choice of quotes or the

"use" we make of them. Geez, how many times have we seen some great

piece of truth or wisdom misused as a weapon, or co-opted to score

points in a debate?

[Guest guest]

, Dharma <deva@L...> wrote:

> Hi Jan,

>

> >†Cayce said that knowledge not used is sin.

> >

> >Since you are more or less speaking in Cayce's behalf,

>

> Not me! I don't think quoting someone is "speaking on his behalf."

>

> I've always thought that was a good way to put it... that if we're

able to

> do something to help someone or contribute to the community and then

we

> just stifle and don't use what we have, that's wrong. So instead of

just

> using his words, I gave the source.

>

> > here is some 'knowledge':

> >-

> >To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

> >to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

> >and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

> >living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is

enough,

> >not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

> >as such a one will have to face sooner or later,

> >to have been battling/circumventing/compensating the ill effects

> >of upbringing and education - one lifetime long.... without much

success

> >( "attaining" 'moksha/nirvana').

> >Without the 'boon' of unconditional happiness, that would be

> >hard to bear, isn't it?

> >-

>

> Thank you, Jan. But I have to ask: what is the message you're

trying to

> get across to me?

>

> Love,

> Dharma

 

Namaste,

 

This guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but doesn't

seem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really, but

then I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am I?

 

ONS...Tony

[Guest guest]

Namaste,This guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but

doesn't seem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru

really, but then I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either,

Who am I?ONS...TonyDear Tony,

How would you know, Tony? Do you know Alan Watts?

I wouldn't presume to tell you who you are. However, let me take this

opportunity to congratulate you on "being right" about Dave....(it

must be something like if you throw 100 darts, one might accidentally

hit the target.) Here, you can read it in his own words...

Glo

PS. SNIP your posts, please people!

--------

oshana/message/51

Are you a Teacher of Truth,so to speak, like a SAT Guru or something like it? Bob Crudele

Hi Bob,

 

Am I a SatGuru? Oh, how I wished?

 

Nej meneer, I am just an ordinary London lad.

 

I hang around the all-night Brick Lane Bagel shoppee, hence there has

been speculation that I am the Christ-Maitreya first revealed to the

world by artist/chaneller Benjamin Creme back in the late 70's. In

1982, full page advertisements appeared in major international

newspapers, like the New York and the Lond Times, announcing that the

Christ-Maitreya would be seen by the whole world. This was subject to

all the television networks of the world linking up and showing the

Christ-Maitreya's beaming face as he transmitted telepathic messages

(read Cosmic jokes) to every man woman and child (it would have tyo

be before the watershed time of 9 p.m.) on the planet.

 

Unfortunately, I had school exams at the time and was worried that my

relatives might be conscripted to sort out the Falklands crisis. The

time was not right.

 

Then, international haute couture fashion guru, Paco Rabane,

predicted that the Messiah lives in London, would be revealed in the

year 2000 and be the same age as Jesus Christ when He finished his

mission. I only discovered this relatively recently.

 

Of course, I discount all these theories because I do not want to be

exceptionally famous, because I eat in some of the cheapest, most

authentic restaurants in Chinatown for the sheer ambience. The

waiters are generally perceived as incredibly rude. They tell you

where to sit and, almost, what to eat. My mission has been to find

stillness in such chaos. By Grace, this has been bestowed. I now

generally get what I want in Chinese restaurants.

 

Soon after this Bestowal-Betrothal of Grace. I started to share my

Perspective Shift and this became 'Teaching' due to market-forces.

However, after having done the "Shaking Up the Money-Changers in the

Temple" scene I now seek an early retirement to the Wilderness. There

I can be found shouting "Eli! Eli! Lama sabachtani? My God! My God!

Why has thou forsaken me!" at passing cacti.

 

Moi, a "Sat Guru"? Per piacere non chiamarmi con quel nome perche' e

ridicolo! Please don't use such names for (because for me) they are

ridiculous.

 

Moi, a "Teacher of Truth"?. Truth cannot be easily taught. But I give

a lesson:

 

I encourage you to look. Really look at yourself. Totally naked, no

make-up, not even with the radio on. What do you see? What is there?

Really, what is there?

 

"Can you see what I see?" as the children's nursery rhyme goes.

 

love daveO

[Guest guest]

Hi Gloria,

This is the same guy who forcibly d my e-mail address and

that of many others to his list not too long ago and there was a

discussion on that on NDS.

I am not questioning Dave's enlightenment or sense of humor or

anything, but certainly his judgment. Since we all make mistakes, I

don't hold that against him.

On the other hand, I think you have given him enough of a plug now on

this list in several posts. If Dave wants to join here and engage in

a discussion, he is welcome like everyone else.

Otherwise please refrain from any more glorification of Dave here.

Thanks

Harsha

Gloria Lee

[glee (AT) intrepid (DOT) net]Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:41 PMTo:

Subject: Re: Re: Dave

Oshana

[Guest guest]

On 6/7/01 at 2:15 PM judirhodes wrote:

 

º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

º

º>

º> to have been battling/circumventing/compensating the ill effects

º> of upbringing and education - one lifetime long.... without much

ºsuccess

º> ( "attaining" 'moksha/nirvana').

º> Without the 'boon' of unconditional happiness, that would be

º> hard to bear, isn't it?

º> -

º> Love,

º> Jan

º>

º*******

ºI can't wait to hear the reply on this one. :-)

º

ºI'll take tails he runs. :-)

º

ºJudi

 

To be perfectly clear, that assumption is "dead wrong".

Whatever one takes from words is but the content of one's mind.

Hence the wrong assumption...

But I like the way you're thinking - it merely undermines what I wrote

As seen from the 'content of "my" mind' of course!

Some do escape the bulk of childhood conditioning and for them,

"nirvana" is not just a concept and there wasn't a 'practice of this or that'.

Free - leisure -

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

On 6/7/01 at 8:37 AM Dharma wrote:

 

ºHi Jan,

º

º>†Cayce said that knowledge not used is sin.

º>

º>Since you are more or less speaking in Cayce's behalf,

º

ºNot me! I don't think quoting someone is "speaking on his behalf."

º

ºI've always thought that was a good way to put it... that if we're able to

ºdo something to help someone or contribute to the community and then we

ºjust stifle and don't use what we have, that's wrong. So instead of just

ºusing his words, I gave the source.

º

º> here is some 'knowledge':

º>-

º>To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

º>to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

º>and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

º>living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is enough,

º>not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

º>as such a one will have to face sooner or later,

º>to have been battling/circumventing/compensating the ill effects

º>of upbringing and education - one lifetime long.... without much success

º>( "attaining" 'moksha/nirvana').

º>Without the 'boon' of unconditional happiness, that would be

º>hard to bear, isn't it?

º>-

º

ºThank you, Jan. But I have to ask: what is the message you're trying to

ºget across to me?

 

As the above is something I could observe easily, being dragged to quite

a few "spiritual" places by my sister & brother in law many years ago, I

wonder how many teachers are able to "serve" a crash course in non-attachment

for instance

 

Love,

Jan

º

ºLove,

ºDharma

[Guest guest]

On 6/7/01 at 7:39 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

 

[...]

ºNamaste,

º

ºThis guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but doesn't

ºseem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really, but

ºthen I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am I?

º

ºONS...

Well, it is enough to awaken K. ... There isn't a borderline between Reiki

and Shaktipat, for some it comes natural...

But how would you recognize a jivanmukta?

 

Joy and Light,

Jan

R

[Guest guest]

, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

>

> On 6/7/01 at 7:39 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

>

> [...]

> ºNamaste,

> º

> ºThis guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but

doesn't

> ºseem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really, but

> ºthen I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am I?

> º

> ºONS...>

> Well, it is enough to awaken K. ... There isn't a borderline between

Reiki

> and Shaktipat, for some it comes natural...

> But how would you recognize a jivanmukta?

>

> Joy and Light,

> Jan

> R

 

Namaste All,

 

Reiki yes my daughter does that at her spa. I couldn't recognise a

Jivanmukti unless I was one, but I can narrow the field by comparison.

I don't think Hitler was one but Jesus and Raman probably. K doesn't

bring moksha anyway, as such....ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

Tony wrote: I don't think Hitler was one........

 

Nisaragadatta said that there is no difference between Hitler and

himself.

 

I believe that God asked his angels to do some dirty work and no one

volunteered except his divotee HITLER.

 

Now it is Springtime for Hitler.

 

Love me love Hitler,

Alton

 

 

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> >

> > On 6/7/01 at 7:39 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

> >

> > [...]

> > ºNamaste,

> > º

> > ºThis guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but

> doesn't

> > ºseem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really,

but

> > ºthen I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am I?

> > º

> > ºONS...> >

> > Well, it is enough to awaken K. ... There isn't a borderline

between

> Reiki

> > and Shaktipat, for some it comes natural...

> > But how would you recognize a jivanmukta?

> >

> > Joy and Light,

> > Jan

> > R

>

> Namaste All,

>

> Reiki yes my daughter does that at her spa. I couldn't recognise a

> Jivanmukti unless I was one, but I can narrow the field by

comparison.

> I don't think Hitler was one but Jesus and Raman probably. K

doesn't

> bring moksha anyway, as such....ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

On 6/7/01 at 11:33 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

 

º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

º>

º> On 6/7/01 at 7:39 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

º>

º> [...]

º> ºNamaste,

º> º

º> ºThis guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but

ºdoesn't

º> ºseem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really, but

º> ºthen I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am I?

º> º

º> ºONS...º>

º> Well, it is enough to awaken K. ... There isn't a borderline between

ºReiki

º> and Shaktipat, for some it comes natural...

º> But how would you recognize a jivanmukta?

º>

º> Joy and Light,

º> Jan

º> R

º

ºNamaste All,

º

ºReiki yes my daughter does that at her spa. I couldn't recognise a

ºJivanmukti unless I was one, but I can narrow the field by comparison.

ºI don't think Hitler was one but Jesus and Raman probably. K doesn't

ºbring moksha anyway, as such....ONS...Tony.

 

Diets don't bring moksha either - there are quite a few fruitarians, like

me, who would also confirm their health and clarity of mind greatly

improved... I guess when it comes to moksha, there is no 'help'...

But didn't you forget the Buddha? He was the only one, aware that

the generic term 'moksha' or 'nirvana' can easily be misunderstood.

You are using the term 'moksha' repeatedly but what does it mean

to you, other than what is read from the books?

 

Joy and Light,

Jan

[Guest guest]

, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> On 6/7/01 at 11:33 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

>

> º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> º>

> º> On 6/7/01 at 7:39 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

> º>

> º> [...]

> º> ºNamaste,

> º> º

> º> ºThis guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but

> ºdoesn't

> º> ºseem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really,

but

> º> ºthen I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am

I?

> º> º

> º> ºONS...> º>

> º> Well, it is enough to awaken K. ... There isn't a borderline

between

> ºReiki

> º> and Shaktipat, for some it comes natural...

> º> But how would you recognize a jivanmukta?

> º>

> º> Joy and Light,

> º> Jan

> º> R

> º

> ºNamaste All,

> º

> ºReiki yes my daughter does that at her spa. I couldn't recognise a

> ºJivanmukti unless I was one, but I can narrow the field by

comparison.

> ºI don't think Hitler was one but Jesus and Raman probably. K

doesn't

> ºbring moksha anyway, as such....ONS...Tony.

>

> Diets don't bring moksha either - there are quite a few fruitarians,

like

> me, who would also confirm their health and clarity of mind greatly

> improved... I guess when it comes to moksha, there is no 'help'...

> But didn't you forget the Buddha? He was the only one, aware that

> the generic term 'moksha' or 'nirvana' can easily be misunderstood.

> You are using the term 'moksha' repeatedly but what does it mean

> to you, other than what is read from the books?

>

> Joy and Light,

> Jan

 

Namaste J,

 

Moha kshaya =Delusion destroyed or ended....ONS Tony

[Guest guest]

On 6/8/01 at 12:50 AM Tony O'Clery wrote:

 

[...]

ºNamaste J,

º

ºMoha kshaya =Delusion destroyed or ended....ONS

With delusion = false beliefs or opinion, who would care?

Peace "beyond" understanding is what matters

That makes all beliefs "utilitarian" - even the belief that there is something

called "delusion".

 

Joy and light,

Jan

p

[Guest guest]

Dear Alton --

Beliefs are like toilet paper.

If you can't let go of them,

they stick around in useless ways.

-- Dan

Tony wrote: I don't think

Hitler was one........

Nisaragadatta said that there is no difference between Hitler and

himself.

I believe that God asked his angels to do some dirty work and no one

volunteered except his divotee HITLER.

Now it is Springtime for Hitler.

Love me love Hitler,

Alton

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "jb" <kvy9@l...>

wrote:

> >

> > On 6/7/01 at 7:39 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

> >

> > [...]

> > ºNamaste,

> > º

> > ºThis guy David Oshana seems to be enlightened in some way but

> doesn't

> > ºseem to me to be a jivanmukti, another teacher or guru really,

but

> > ºthen I didn't think Alan Watts was a jivanmukti either, Who am

I?

> > º

> > ºONS...> >

> > Well, it is enough to awaken K. ... There isn't a borderline

between

> Reiki

> > and Shaktipat, for some it comes natural...

> > But how would you recognize a jivanmukta?

> >

> > Joy and Light,

> > Jan

> > R

>

> Namaste All,

>

> Reiki yes my daughter does that at her spa. I couldn't recognise a

> Jivanmukti unless I was one, but I can narrow the field by

comparison.

> I don't think Hitler was one but Jesus and Raman probably. K

doesn't

> bring moksha anyway, as such....ONS...Tony.

 

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Hi!

 

Dave Oshana here.

 

Thanks for the invite Harsha!

 

I will make the commitment to being available on this forum

especially if it is not appropriate for others to speak about their

experiences with me.

 

What would I do then, talk about their experiences with me on their

behalf? They should do that. I can only really talk about the life

and the teaching that has happened since the time when I first became

aware of Awakening.

 

I feel that this Awakening is like Shangri La. It is amazing yet

hidden. My life is about making that available.

 

So far I have encountered no real controversy, and maybe it will

always be like that if people feel Truth upon meeting me - before the

mind comes in with its preciously held, but useless beliefs, about

Enlightenment...but who knows, not I, sir.

 

love dave oshana

 

PS [Harsha- The Chinese restaurant had a fire in its kitchen and I

have not been able to eat there for months! :-) ]

 

>If Dave wants to join here and engage in a

> discussion, he is welcome like everyone else.

>

> Otherwise please refrain from any more glorification of Dave here.

>

> Thanks

> Harsha

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Dave Oshana here.

Thanks for the invite Harsha!

I will make the commitment to being available on this forum

especially if it is not appropriate for others to speak about their

experiences with me.

Sorry, Dave, I have no idea who you are. I'm always happy to hear

about people's experiences. And if your life will make Awakening

available to me I shall be delighted. Even if you cannot make this

avaliable to me I'm still happy to meet you.

Joyce

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Jan,

 

I still don't know what you're saying... or how you got there from here. )

 

I was responding to something Dave said about being shy about teaching...

it was meant as a word of encouragement.

>º> here is some 'knowledge':

>º>-

>º>To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

>º>to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

>º>and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

>º>living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is enough,

>º>not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

 

Are you just against all teachers in general?

 

I've taught swimming, piano, great world literature, writing, Raja Yoga,

journalism, Old Testament, modern fiction, etc., etc. I'm not the only

teacher here... I think Harsha is in the business department at his

college, and has taught yoga - Hatha Yoga, I believe. Do you disapprove of

all this activity?

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

I was responding to something Dave said about being shy about teaching...

it was meant as a word of encouragement.

Who is Dave?

[Guest guest]

On 6/8/01 at 12:16 PM Dharma wrote:

 

ºSorry, Jan,

º

ºI still don't know what you're saying... or how you got there from here.

º)

 

Who cares? It isn't important at al )

Nothing really is important - for me, the joke of a lifetime!

º

ºI was responding to something Dave said about being shy about teaching...

ºit was meant as a word of encouragement.

 

I am not shy about anything - couldn't see the reason for shyness.

º

º>º> here is some 'knowledge':

º>º>-

º>º>To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

º>º>to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

º>º>and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

º>º>living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is enough,

º>º>not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

º

ºAre you just against all teachers in general?

 

What makes you think that?

The "inner guru" for instance is a great teacher - the greatest even

One without the slightest trace of conditioning!

º

ºI've taught swimming, piano, great world literature, writing, Raja Yoga,

ºjournalism, Old Testament, modern fiction, etc., etc. I'm not the only

ºteacher here... I think Harsha is in the business department at his

ºcollege, and has taught yoga - Hatha Yoga, I believe. Do you disapprove of

ºall this activity?

 

Why would I disprove anything at all?

Have fun with those activities - or do you think life has another "purpose"?

 

Love,

Jan

º

ºLove,

ºDharma

..

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

>ºI still don't know what you're saying... or how you got there from here.

>º)

>

>Who cares? It isn't important at al )

 

Ah, we're in agreement.

>Nothing really is important - for me, the joke of a lifetime!

 

))))

>ºI was responding to something Dave said about being shy about teaching...

>ºit was meant as a word of encouragement.

>

>I am not shy about anything - couldn't see the reason for shyness.

 

Well, you'd have to take that up with Dave, I guess.

>º>º> here is some 'knowledge':

>º>º>-

>º>º>To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

>º>º>to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

>º>º>and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

>º>º>living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is enough,

>º>º>not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

>º

>ºAre you just against all teachers in general?

>

>What makes you think that?

>The "inner guru" for instance is a great teacher - the greatest even

>One without the slightest trace of conditioning!

 

Okay, are you just against all incarnate human teachers?

>ºI've taught swimming, piano, great world literature, writing, Raja Yoga,

>ºjournalism, Old Testament, modern fiction, etc., etc. I'm not the only

>ºteacher here... I think Harsha is in the business department at his

>ºcollege, and has taught yoga - Hatha Yoga, I believe. Do you disapprove of

>ºall this activity?

>

>Why would I disprove anything at all?

>Have fun with those activities - or do you think life has another

>"purpose"?

 

Well, I've been reading these many posts, and I'm about up to here with

intellectual stuff. ) Don't think I'm up for a philosophical discussion

today... or this year... or...

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

On 6/8/01 at 7:57 PM Dharma wrote:

 

ºHi Jan,

º

º>ºI still don't know what you're saying... or how you got there from here.

º>º)

º>

º>Who cares? It isn't important at al )

º

ºAh, we're in agreement.

º

º>Nothing really is important - for me, the joke of a lifetime!

º

º))))

 

At least, I made a profession out of that: gentleman of leisure )

º

º>ºI was responding to something Dave said about being shy about teaching...

º>ºit was meant as a word of encouragement.

º>

º>I am not shy about anything - couldn't see the reason for shyness.

º

ºWell, you'd have to take that up with Dave, I guess.

 

I won't take up anything - what falls on the ground is for the cat or the

cockroaches,

whoever comes first

º

º>º>º> here is some 'knowledge':

º>º>º>-

º>º>º>To my experience, nonduality only makes one fit to face life, enjoy

º>º>º>to the full, both the ups and the downs, and serve the community -

º>º>º>and I can easily see how nonduality could be 'factual' by "just"

º>º>º>living a 'life proper' - as a householder. And that knowledge is

ºenough,

º>º>º>not wishing to meet any 'teacher or practitioner of this or that'

º>º

º>ºAre you just against all teachers in general?

º>

º>What makes you think that?

º>The "inner guru" for instance is a great teacher - the greatest even

º>One without the slightest trace of conditioning!

º

ºOkay, are you just against all incarnate human teachers?

 

No, I just wondered how many can teach in silence

Not that need any teacher though

But as an analogy, in order to run properly, I don't need a lecture

on human anatomy - only some examples of successful runners

In order to know a diet-proper, I don't need a lecture on the digestion system -

only a few examples of humans, my age, in excellent health, with abundant

energy

º

º>ºI've taught swimming, piano, great world literature, writing, Raja Yoga,

º>ºjournalism, Old Testament, modern fiction, etc., etc. I'm not the only

º>ºteacher here... I think Harsha is in the business department at his

º>ºcollege, and has taught yoga - Hatha Yoga, I believe. Do you disapprove

ºof

º>ºall this activity?

º>

º>Why would I disprove anything at all?

º>Have fun with those activities - or do you think life has another

º>"purpose"?

º

ºWell, I've been reading these many posts, and I'm about up to here with

ºintellectual stuff. ) Don't think I'm up for a philosophical discussion

ºtoday... or this year... or...

 

All my life, the philosophical discussions have been classified under "bo+O":

that won't change a bit ) Apart from joking, no philosophical discussions here

either

There's hardly anything left for me to discuss at all - no more questions/issues

left, no more

happiness to be "extracted" from "emptying" even before "emptying" is

completed

It even means, no more visitors - they can't add happiness either and who, when

"free", would want

to be remembered of former conditioning and having to "put up" with it?

 

Love,

Jan

 

º

ºLove,

ºDharma