Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 On 6/6/01 at 8:42 PM COMO KASHA wrote: [...] ºNow. I follow the 10 10 80 diet and only eat limited amount of flesh ºfood. ºThe 5 masters that initiated me, and that I no longer follow, said ºthat I should just die rather than break my vows. No more depression. ºIf you are depressed and vegetarian, maybe its your diet. ºLOL. º ºLove, ºAlton I wonder what kind of "masters" that must have been <s> And also I wonder about the psychological make-up of those, taking vows... The class of belief & expectation maybe? The only vow I took was never to vow... It served rather well throughout the years... Joy and Light, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 You could say it was a mistake taking the vows, but I wanted what they had to offer at the time. Basically I am a sacrilegious type and only believe that I will demolish the constant chattering in my mind by purely technical pursuits. Soon the scientists will have a machine where we will see all our thoughts on a monitor and we will progress many times faster than the Master's ancient techniques. U.G wont let the scientists scan his brain, because they will find a way with drugs to duplicate what happened to him, but It wont be real. If Ramana said, I will give you what I have now, I would refuse and say, why dont you give to all who ask? I dont want any more gifts, I want to attain by hard work and sweat. I am not a gifted meditator but transformation is assured because I was given the upmost earnestness. Pluto is after my moon and the karmic astrololgers say that is where I am going. No, more "I, me, mine. , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > On 6/6/01 at 8:42 PM COMO KASHA wrote: > > [...] > ºNow. I follow the 10 10 80 diet and only eat limited amount of flesh > ºfood. > ºThe 5 masters that initiated me, and that I no longer follow, said > ºthat I should just die rather than break my vows. No more depression. > ºIf you are depressed and vegetarian, maybe its your diet. > ºLOL. > º > ºLove, > ºAlton > > I wonder what kind of "masters" that must have been <s> > And also I wonder about the psychological make-up of those, taking vows... > The class of belief & expectation maybe? > The only vow I took was never to vow... > It served rather well throughout the years... > > Joy and Light, > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 If I remember correctly, Ramana said that, what ever practice one is doing is right for them. Correct me if I am wrong? , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 6/6/01 at 9:44 PM COMO KASHA wrote: > > ºYou could say it was a mistake taking the vows, but I wanted what > ºthey had to offer at the time. Basically I am a sacrilegious type and > ºonly believe that I will demolish the constant chattering in my mind > ºby purely technical pursuits. Soon the scientists will have a machine > ºwhere we will see all our thoughts on a monitor and we will progress > ºmany times faster than the Master's ancient techniques. > > That belief, that the stopping of mind-chatter by itself results in a kind of > nirvana, is the root cause of all practices - and most of them are are > a kind of mental treadmill - boooooooring. > Discover the causes of the mind-chatter instead of 'working' on it - > that would be science... > º > ºU.G wont let the scientists scan his brain, because they will find a > ºway with drugs to duplicate what happened to him, but It wont be real. > > Well, if that's so, I don't have to read UG <laugh> > What scientists would find in my brain would be both > bizarre and worthless to them > º > ºIf Ramana said, I will give you what I have now, I would refuse and > ºsay, why dont you give to all who ask? I dont want any more gifts, I > ºwant to attain by hard work and sweat. I am not a gifted meditator > ºbut transformation is assured because I was given the upmost > ºearnestness. Pluto is after my moon and the karmic astrololgers say > ºthat is where I am going. No, more "I, me, mine. > > Ramana won't say anything anymore > And I won't forget that C.G. Jung visited India to finish his deceased friend's book > on Ramana, but didn't visit him, stating that wasn't necessary as Ramana's statements > were 100% predictable. Instead, he met a householder, practicing "who am I" > and that was the proof of the pudding regarding the method of self- enquiry. > > There are proficient astrologers on the list - perhaps they could assist you a bit. > Regarding my "enlightenment", the horoscopic outcome probably would be "never" <laugh> > > Joy and Light, > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 On 6/6/01 at 10:27 PM COMO KASHA wrote: ºIf I remember correctly, Ramana said that, what ever practice one is ºdoing is right for them. Correct me if I am wrong? I don't know if Ramana said that, but in my case, the statement could easily be interpreted as "dead-wrong"... As an "animal of pleasure" I could be active mentally for hours in order to find a pleasant way to circumvent something "unpleasant" that would have taken just 5 minutes.. If that attitude would have translated into 'seekership', seeking for a pleasant method would still be keeping me busy BTW, as a teenager and atheist, I was far worse than Tony... Showing the inconsistency that comes with all kinds of belief... / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 What ever works for you is right. In my case my happiness level increases dramatically as I continue my meditation practice and "let come what comes, and let go what goes" Nisaragadatta: "All you can do is give up your attachments, the rest will be done for you". " Believe me there can not be too much destuction". , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 6/6/01 at 10:27 PM COMO KASHA wrote: > > ºIf I remember correctly, Ramana said that, what ever practice one is > ºdoing is right for them. Correct me if I am wrong? > > I don't know if Ramana said that, but in my case, the statement > could easily be interpreted as "dead-wrong"... > As an "animal of pleasure" I could be active mentally for hours in > order to find a pleasant way to circumvent something "unpleasant" > that would have taken just 5 minutes.. If that attitude would have > translated into 'seekership', seeking for a pleasant method would still be > keeping me busy > > BTW, as a teenager and atheist, I was far worse than Tony... > Showing the inconsistency that comes with all kinds of > belief... > / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 On 6/6/01 at 10:58 PM COMO KASHA wrote: ºWhat ever works for you is right. In my case my happiness level ºincreases dramatically as I continue my meditation practice and "let ºcome what comes, and let go what goes" º ºNisaragadatta: "All you can do is give up your attachments, the rest ºwill be done for you". " Believe me there can not be too much ºdestuction". And how does one know there isn't attachment to a practice? Another one trying to find justification for "what seems to work" with the aid of quotes? OK, how about this quote: "A man will renounce any pleasures you like but he will not give up his suffering." **** Gurdjieff And who, with the aid of proper quotes, will 'prove' that the universe is a cube filled with popsicles? At least that would be funny... b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 You win, I have run out of answers. Love you Love me, Alton , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 6/6/01 at 10:58 PM COMO KASHA wrote: > > ºWhat ever works for you is right. In my case my happiness level > ºincreases dramatically as I continue my meditation practice and "let > ºcome what comes, and let go what goes" > º > ºNisaragadatta: "All you can do is give up your attachments, the rest > ºwill be done for you". " Believe me there can not be too much > ºdestuction". > > And how does one know there isn't attachment to a practice? > Another one trying to find justification for "what seems to work" > with the aid of quotes? OK, how about this quote: > > "A man will renounce any pleasures you like > but he will not give up his suffering." > > **** Gurdjieff > > And who, with the aid of proper quotes, will 'prove' that the universe is a cube filled with popsicles? > At least that would be funny... > > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 On 6/6/01 at 11:15 PM COMO KASHA wrote: ºYou win, I have run out of answers. ºLove you Love me, ºAlton There is no winning or losing - facing the mess, wrought by upbringing and education is hard. When that is "over", all practices end... Perhaps this gives some insight that 'running away, hiding, practicing' cannot deny: Your most intimate thoughts I know Yes all of them I know so well Yet it is you thinking to run life's show Turning your precious life into a hell Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Hi Alton, >You could say it was a mistake taking the vows, but I wanted what >they had to offer at the time. Basically I am a sacrilegious type and >only believe that I will demolish the constant chattering in my mind >by purely technical pursuits. If you believe you are limited, then you are limited. >U.G wont let the scientists scan his brain, because they will find a >way with drugs to duplicate what happened to him, but It wont be real. > >If Ramana said, I will give you what I have now, I would refuse and >say, why dont you give to all who ask? What makes you think he didn't? >I dont want any more gifts, I >want to attain by hard work and sweat. Well, you will surely get what you want. Work hard... there will be no gifts for you, if you refuse them. > I am not a gifted meditator >but transformation is assured because I was given the upmost >earnestness. Pluto is after my moon Well, let's hope he doesn't catch it! )) (Sorry about that.) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 > > >You could say it was a mistake taking the vows, but I wanted what > >they had to offer at the time. Basically I am a sacrilegious type and > >only believe that I will demolish the constant chattering in my mind > >by purely technical pursuits. > > If you believe you are limited, then you are limited. I believe I am both limited and unlimited. > >If Ramana said, I will give you what I have now, I would refuse and > >say, why dont you give to all who ask? > > What makes you think he didn't? I fantasized about being with Ramana in a previous life, so maybe I am crazed about this trip because of HIM. > Well, you will surely get what you want. Work hard... there will be no > gifts for you, if you refuse them. Someone make me an offer I can't refuse? > > > I am not a gifted meditator > >but transformation is assured because I was given the upmost > >earnestness. Pluto is after my moon > > Well, let's hope he doesn't catch it! )) > > (Sorry about that.) Dont' apologize for anything you say to me. The last board I participated in someone threatened to kill me. It did not scare me, but I dont want my family harassed. Luckily, no one told him my real name as he might have called us here in Hawaii while my family was sleeping. It's only 5:12 here now. Love us Love you, Alton > > Love, > Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Hi Alton, >snip< >> >only believe that I will demolish the constant chattering in my >mind >> >by purely technical pursuits. >> >> If you believe you are limited, then you are limited. > >I believe I am both limited and unlimited. Sounds like a koan... try meditating on it. What I meant was, such beliefs are limiting. They are blocks to progress... and actual blocks to the movement of energy. So when you find that you believe you can't do something, you've found a block! And you can get to work getting rid of it. You'll then be freer... free to do whatever it was. >> >If Ramana said, I will give you what I have now, I would refuse and >> >say, why dont you give to all who ask? >> >> What makes you think he didn't? > >I fantasized about being with Ramana in a previous life, so maybe I >am crazed about this trip because of HIM. Well, you could think through your beliefs about Ramana... and get rid of them. Give them to God... or Goddess. Ask whoever you pray to to take them from you. Then you could start fresh and read what Ramana said... without having beliefs about him that would get in your way. >> Well, you will surely get what you want. Work hard... there will >be no >> gifts for you, if you refuse them. > >Someone make me an offer I can't refuse? Who could beat your imagined gift from Ramana? ) It's all free, honey. You just have to open your arms and accept. Seek and you will find. Knock, and it will be opened. >> > I am not a gifted meditator >> >but transformation is assured because I was given the upmost >> >earnestness. Pluto is after my moon >> >> Well, let's hope he doesn't catch it! )) >> >> (Sorry about that.) > >Dont' apologize for anything you say to me. Oh honey, I just said that because it was a bad joke. ) "Sorry about that" is the kind of thing you say after a really bad joke. ) >The last board I >participated in someone threatened to kill me. It did not scare me, >but I dont want my family harassed. Luckily, no one told him my real >name as he might have called us here in Hawaii while my family was >sleeping. It's only 5:12 here now. Rough people! I don't think anything like that will happen here. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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