Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Dharma - I love it! St. Paul said, "The whole creation is groaning in labor with the birth of the sons of God." And in the Mysteries they talked about the one who "gives birth to his own father." Joyce - Jolly good, I think I'll have that one. Dharma - Actually, if I use any name for my path, it's a name I found afterward. At the time it just sort of happened. Maybe I should call it the Topsy path - like her, it "just grew." )) I don't like to charge for teaching this because it came to me free and easy from the universe, and it seems I should give back the same way. Joyce -yes...intriguing. Lots of 'names' for paths, Push-me, Pull-me, the universe gives, universe gives back through 'us'...breathing in, breathing out. Whatever names I have found for anything always came after the fact. I actually have a great collection of 'spiritual names' which I accumulated when I was trying to be somebody. I thought if I hit the right name, I would then know who I was. A great joke! >>But, there is a difference in that in Buddhist practice, it is very >>important to prepare the mind for recognition of emptiness and its full >>meaning through the awakening of altruistic mind - Metta, Bodhisattva, >>Tonglen, Brahma Viharas etc. Without this the awakening can be rough as >>the shift in realty can be overwhelming. Dharma - "the awakening of altruistic mind" - that's an interesting concept. No, I don't think children naturally feel that. And I can see in retrospect how it developed in me. Now in teaching I talk about the Boddhisattva vow because I think DK was right in saying that the best protection is strong purpose. When the time comes to go - or fall - into the All, that vow - that strong purpose - will bring one back again. Joyce - "Awakening, cultivating altruistic mind" comes to me from Mahayana via Tibetan teachers. Whenever one is doing any practice at all, and this can be every moment, then one consciously 'gives away' the merit or spiritual force accumulated. Motivation or intention is always examined, what are minds contents, positive, negative, dull whatever... which avoids allowing the clinging self from 'owning' anything, most especially the notion that 'I' am doing anything grand. It is the transformational aspect of practice but works well for folks in any self-obsessing phase. All of thought seems to arise out of emptiness or radiant mind. (If one can even find a 'mind' or a 'thought'). Seems a big peaceful nothing. I couldn't get the hang of 'merit'- but finally got the fact that there actually is a growing force, an accumulation of wisdom-energy, what to call it?...and the more you give it away, the more you 'have' until ultimately you have nothing at all except peace having completely given away "I", ultimate dana. Before I had this first episode with energy, I was a do or die, enlightenment for 'me' person. After, a clear realization came that 'I' wasn't going anywhere until we all went together. Took years to understand this fully. Joyce - >universe exploded. No separate self left in one way but in another, lots >of ego having a fit about it. Dharma - Afterwards, you mean? Joyce - yes, always 'afterwards' even with the pure cognition of emptness, there would not be a verbal expression of this state unless mind stepped in afterwards. All masters can describe their experience and compare where ever they are to where ever they were. The Dalai Lama says in his Key To The Middle Way: "Also, even if the meaning of an emptiness (you might want to put Self in where you read 'emptiness') has been ascertained, but the thought, 'This is an emptiness', appears, then one is apprehending the existence of an emptiness which is a positive thing. Therefore, that consciousness then becomes a conventional valid cognizer and not the ascertainment of emptiness." A mind that cognizes the existence of an emptiness is a valid cognition of a conventional phenomenon, not one engaged in ultimate analysis. When a practitioner (mind) is proceding through experiences summed up as the vipassana 'nanas' or stages, cognition of emptiness is one of the stages and then one proceeds until ultimate emptiness of nirvana is reached, no more experience 'I' or 'mine'. The stages are universally experienced and those are recognized and spoken about. People are in varying stages, some perhaps quite through them. Not that one can will anything final to happen or we would all be Ramana Marahshi. But, in Buddhism, one is taught to recognize the flashes of radiant mind, follow thought back, many exercises. So, it seems insight is both sudden and gradual. I sort of think of it as a slowly openning clenched fist. This 'I' is a bundle of clnging, (with its greed, hatred and delusion) and then theres a relaxing until the tight fist is a wide open hand. Maybe like the metaphor of lotus but I never felt myself much of a lotus bud. > I'm not going to give the details, someone might go and do this practice. Dharma -Yes. I would like to write a little book, but I still hesitate about whether to give those kinds of details. How to balance sharing against the possibility of hurting someone... Joyce - If this thought has come to you, write away...if your motivation is to serve others then you can share what you have discovered, benefits and pitfalls. When one has gained some knowledge arising from insight, then this knowledge is stable. One can offer support and encouragement to others even if one isn't supremely realized. Sometimes it is useful to hear from ordinary folks, it makes Truth seem more accessible, which it is. Dharma - Yes, no dark left to sleep in. That happened to me many years later when my Kundalini ws awakened... but your powerful experience awakened your K. right then... in a big crash, I guess! ) Joyce -Yes, quite funny, I had purposely stayed away from any Kundalini Yoga. I had previously encountered trance mediumship which was really energy, didnt know what it was at the time but thought myself much too flakey for Kundalini Yoga. As if one has any control over anything. Hah! Dharma - Yes, I like the Tibetan teachings. And the only Tibetan teachers I've met were wonderful. Rinpoche is this short, not very handsome man - but radiant! When he came into the room, there was this huge loving presence! Joyce - Yes, huge loving presence. Great motivator. I would travel anywhere to be with this. Not so much need anymore, not so much 'me' clouding the blue sky -laugh. Dharma -My depression, though I didn't call it that, was a matter of having to stay in this world, knowing that I should not, must not, just go back to the All and stay there... which I wanted all the time. Joyce - Yes, me too. Was depressed, grieving and sulking about leaving the All from the moment I entered this body. I notice what we are descibing is similar to those who have had Near Death Experience. >'Emptiness' as experience of the universe has moved from harsh impersonal >uncontrollable rather nasty never ending bad LSD trip Dharma -This is not a description of experience of the All, is it? Joyce -No, this is a description of 'Joyce' ( ordinary mind conditioning occurring after the fact clinging, frightened and struggling. I have all my life desired to be 'normal'. Dharma: You also could help people at a distance, especially since you have active K. Email letters or an email address is just a way to connect. Joyce - a little. Im funny, its a way of sending energy. That's all I have to offer other than nothing much phases me. I have organized 'Drama Queen Band' or 'Dharma Queen',on the dhamma-list. All sufferers welcome, all those in grief and lamentation, all moaning OK -we have a giggle. Band is growing to orchestra and a few shy dancers have joined up. It is interesting that when we Buddhists actually hit suffering we tend to be surprised (and depressed). LOL! We help each other wherever just by telling stories and being together. Even learning 'mudita' being VERY happy for the success of others. I even learn from 'Tony" although Im guessing he wouldn't uderstand if I told him how. Dharma - beautiful! Sychronicity - at the Full Moon just passed (June 5/6), the Moon was on 15 Sagittarius and the Sbaian symbol for that degree is: >SAGITTARIUS 15': SEA GULLS FLY AROUND A SHIP IN EXPECTATION OF FOOD. Rudhyar says: "The sea gulls here symbolize the more wild and normally untamable energies of the human soul, but they too can develop a kind of Joyce - *domesticated dependence upon the by-products of man's adventures within the realm of the unconscious (the sea)*. How lovely. Now I know what to feed Seagull although she seems to be helping herself! I'll have all this great stuff you sent, Dharma. I'd completely forgotten about 'archetypes'. Dharma - Two blind shamans?? Talk about archetypes! ) Joyce - Hah! I suspect my blindness is intentional, I can then meet many great folks. But actually, its only selfishness. Dharma -With the Kundalini work, my heart chakra was the last to be worked on... my weakest link, I thought. Joyce - That's still working itself out for me. Dharma -That must be so difficult! I think I was often an embarrassment to my kids, but now my son lives near me and we have much in common (he's a very private person, so I won't say more). And my daughter told me recently that she had been thinking about how grateful she is that she was exposed to all this in childhood... she says it makes her path much easier now. Joyce - things are only difficult when I want people to be like me. As I learn to let things be, no hay problema. Family a great path. I have played the 'no-head game' with my kids which amused them, wasn't difficult for them. Yes!! And don't make a fuss... and hang easy. Love Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 this is wonderful....we are all on the same path.....the path with a name is not the true path....the path only looks lik a path after we have walked, crawled, climbed up the mountain.....at the time we just know we are scambling over the boulders....looking for a crack to stick a fingure in.....a toe-hold to push ourselves up a bit further....a helping hand reaching down to grab our uplifted one....anything to make it to the top.....the destination is not the thing.....the journey is the thing.....there is always another ridge or summit beyond the one that we have just peaked.....it is the same peak from a different approach.... Be like the snow and ice on the mountain. It does not concern itself with change At what moment does the ice yield to its desire to be water? Where does the crystal blue water turn into the muddy and raging river? At what point in time does the river merge into the bottomless sea? Who can say when brackish water arises into the infinite blue sky? How does the dark forboding cloud return itself to ice on the blue mountain? Water does not concern itself with change. Be as blue snow and white ice on the mountain. Be as water and you will understnad what it means to be still and still running. white wolfe - Joyce Short Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:15 AM Dharma/Joyce universal Ramble Dharma - I love it! St. Paul said, "The whole creation is groaning in labor withthe birth of the sons of God."And in the Mysteries they talked about the one who "gives birth to his ownfather." :)Joyce - Jolly good, I think I'll have that one.Dharma - Actually, if I use any name for my path, it's a name I found afterward. Atthe time it just sort of happened. Maybe I should call it the Topsypath - like her, it "just grew." )) I don't like to charge for teachingthis because it came to me free and easy from the universe, and it seems Ishould give back the same way.Joyce -yes...intriguing. Lots of 'names' for paths, Push-me, Pull-me, the universe gives, universe gives back through 'us'...breathing in, breathing out. Whatever names I have found for anything always came after the fact. I actually have a great collection of 'spiritual names' which I accumulated when I was trying to be somebody. I thought if I hit the right name, I would then know who I was. A great joke!>>But, there is a difference in that in Buddhist practice, it is very>>important to prepare the mind for recognition of emptiness and its full>>meaning through the awakening of altruistic mind - Metta, Bodhisattva,>>Tonglen, Brahma Viharas etc. Without this the awakening can be rough as>>the shift in realty can be overwhelming.Dharma - "the awakening of altruistic mind" - that's an interesting concept. No, Idon't think children naturally feel that. And I can see in retrospect howit developed in me. Now in teaching I talk about the Boddhisattva vowbecause I think DK was right in saying that the best protection is strongpurpose. When the time comes to go - or fall - into the All, that vow -that strong purpose - will bring one back again.Joyce - "Awakening, cultivating altruistic mind" comes to me from Mahayana via Tibetan teachers. Whenever one is doing any practice at all, and this can be every moment, then one consciously 'gives away' the merit or spiritual force accumulated. Motivation or intention is always examined, what are minds contents, positive, negative, dull whatever... which avoids allowing the clinging self from 'owning' anything, most especially the notion that 'I' am doing anything grand. It is the transformational aspect of practice but works well for folks in any self-obsessing phase. All of thought seems to arise out of emptiness or radiant mind. (If one can even find a 'mind' or a 'thought'). Seems a big peaceful nothing.I couldn't get the hang of 'merit'- but finally got the fact that there actually is a growing force, an accumulation of wisdom-energy, what to call it?...and the more you give it away, the more you 'have' until ultimately you have nothing at all except peace having completely given away "I", ultimate dana. Before I had this first episode with energy, I was a do or die, enlightenment for 'me' person. After, a clear realization came that 'I' wasn't going anywhere until we all went together. Took years to understand this fully.Joyce - >universe exploded. No separate self left in one way but in another, lots>of ego having a fit about it.Dharma - Afterwards, you mean?Joyce - yes, always 'afterwards' even with the pure cognition of emptness, there would not be a verbal expression of this state unless mind stepped in afterwards. All masters can describe their experience and compare where ever they are to where ever they were. The Dalai Lama says in his Key To The Middle Way:"Also, even if the meaning of an emptiness (you might want to put Self in where you read 'emptiness') has been ascertained, but the thought, 'This is an emptiness', appears, then one is apprehending the existence of an emptiness which is a positive thing. Therefore, that consciousness then becomes a conventional valid cognizer and not the ascertainment of emptiness."A mind that cognizes the existence of an emptiness is a valid cognition of a conventional phenomenon, not one engaged in ultimate analysis. When a practitioner (mind) is proceding through experiences summed up as the vipassana 'nanas' or stages, cognition of emptiness is one of the stages and then one proceeds until ultimate emptiness of nirvana is reached, no more experience 'I' or 'mine'. The stages are universally experienced and those are recognized and spoken about. People are in varying stages, some perhaps quite through them. Not that one can will anything final to happen or we would all be Ramana Marahshi. But, in Buddhism, one is taught to recognize the flashes of radiant mind, follow thought back, many exercises. So, it seems insight is both sudden and gradual. I sort of think of it as a slowly openning clenched fist. This 'I' is a bundle of clnging, (with its greed, hatred and delusion) and then theres a relaxing until the tight fist is a wide open hand. Maybe like the metaphor of lotus but I never felt myself much of a lotus bud.> I'm not going to give the details, someone might go and do this practice.Dharma -Yes. I would like to write a little book, but I still hesitate aboutwhether to give those kinds of details. How to balance sharing against thepossibility of hurting someone...Joyce - If this thought has come to you, write away...if your motivation is to serve others then you can share what you have discovered, benefits and pitfalls. When one has gained some knowledge arising from insight, then this knowledge is stable. One can offer support and encouragement to others even if one isn't supremely realized. Sometimes it is useful to hear from ordinary folks, it makes Truth seem more accessible, which it is.Dharma - Yes, no dark left to sleep in. That happened to me many years laterwhen my Kundalini ws awakened... but your powerful experience awakenedyour K. right then... in a big crash, I guess! )Joyce -Yes, quite funny, I had purposely stayed away from any Kundalini Yoga. I had previously encountered trance mediumship which was really energy, didnt know what it was at the time but thought myself much too flakey for Kundalini Yoga. As if one has any control over anything. Hah!Dharma - Yes, I like the Tibetan teachings. And the only Tibetan teachers I've metwere wonderful. Rinpoche is this short, not very handsome man - butradiant! When he came into the room, there was this huge loving presence!Joyce - Yes, huge loving presence. Great motivator. I would travel anywhere to be with this. Not so much need anymore, not so much 'me' clouding the blue sky -laugh.Dharma -My depression, though I didn't call it that, was a matter of having to stayin this world, knowing that I should not, must not, just go back to the Alland stay there... which I wanted all the time.Joyce - Yes, me too. Was depressed, grieving and sulking about leaving the All from the moment I entered this body. I notice what we are descibing is similar to those who have had Near Death Experience.>'Emptiness' as experience of the universe has moved from harsh impersonal>uncontrollable rather nasty never ending bad LSD tripDharma -This is not a description of experience of the All, is it?Joyce -No, this is a description of 'Joyce' ( ordinary mind conditioning occurring after the fact clinging, frightened and struggling. I have all my life desired to be 'normal'.Dharma: You also could help people at a distance, especially since youhave active K. Email letters or an email address is just a way to connect.Joyce - a little. Im funny, its a way of sending energy. That's all I have to offer other than nothing much phases me. I have organized 'Drama Queen Band' or 'Dharma Queen',on the dhamma-list. All sufferers welcome, all those in grief and lamentation, all moaning OK -we have a giggle. Band is growing to orchestra and a few shy dancers have joined up. It is interesting that when we Buddhists actually hit suffering we tend to be surprised (and depressed). LOL! We help each other wherever just by telling stories and being together. Even learning 'mudita' being VERY happy for the success of others. I even learn from 'Tony" although Im guessing he wouldn't uderstand if I told him how.Dharma - beautiful! Sychronicity - at the Full Moon just passed (June 5/6), theMoon was on 15 Sagittarius and the Sbaian symbol for that degree is:>SAGITTARIUS 15': SEA GULLS FLY AROUND A SHIP IN EXPECTATION OF FOOD.Rudhyar says: "The sea gulls here symbolize the more wild and normallyuntamable energies of the human soul, but they too can develop a kind ofJoyce - *domesticated dependence upon the by-products of man's adventures within therealm of the unconscious (the sea)*. How lovely. Now I know what to feed Seagull although she seems to be helping herself! I'll have all this great stuff you sent, Dharma. I'd completely forgotten about 'archetypes'.Dharma - Two blind shamans?? Talk about archetypes! )Joyce - Hah! I suspect my blindness is intentional, I can then meet many great folks. But actually, its only selfishness.Dharma -With the Kundalini work, my heart chakra was the last to be worked on...my weakest link, I thought.Joyce - That's still working itself out for me.Dharma -That must be so difficult! I think I was often an embarrassment to mykids, but now my son lives near me and we have much in common (he's a veryprivate person, so I won't say more). And my daughter told me recentlythat she had been thinking about how grateful she is that she was exposedto all this in childhood... she says it makes her path much easier now.Joyce - things are only difficult when I want people to be like me. As I learn to let things be, no hay problema. Family a great path. I have played the 'no-head game' with my kids which amused them, wasn't difficult for them.Yes!! And don't make a fuss... and hang easy. :)Love Joyce/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Hi Joyce, >Joyce -yes...intriguing. Lots of 'names' for paths, Push-me, Pull-me, the >universe gives, universe gives back through 'us'...breathing in, breathing >out. Whatever names I have found for anything always came after the fact. >I actually have a great collection of 'spiritual names' which I >accumulated when I was trying to be somebody. I thought if I hit the >right name, I would then know who I was. A great joke! ))) Well, I've been given a new name just once... and it's really to remind me of who I'm not. ) Back in '98 I got involved with a young guru. The first time I ever took a human teacher, but he had good Kundalini techniques, and I wanted to learn them. He was also the kind of teacher I would warn anyone away from, and before I got away from him, I had a breakdown. So I started putting myself together again, with the help of GB, my internal guide, my spiritual guru. One day in meditation I was given a new way to tell what's true and what isn't... I think I've mentioned it... holding a statement up to the dharma light coming from the head chakra(s). If it's not true, it shatters. I tried out this method on all kinds of statements that I knew the true/false answers to, and it always worked. Except that every time I said, "My name is Ann"... which was my name then, my birth name... it shattered! Well, I didn't feel like the same person any more. Finally I asked GB if that meant I needed a new name, and he said YES. The only one that came into my head was Dharma, and he said YES. He told me it's a name for all of me, not just personality... and I found that when I felt I was slipping into any of the old personality stuff, if I said, "My name is Dharma," it pulled me all together again... back to spirit living in a body. >Joyce - "Awakening, cultivating altruistic mind" comes to me from Mahayana >via Tibetan teachers. Whenever one is doing any practice at all, and this >can be every moment, then one consciously 'gives away' the merit or >spiritual force accumulated. >snip< That illuminates the term "merit" for me... thank you!! >I couldn't get the hang of 'merit'- I never got it before either... >but finally got the fact that there actually is a growing force, an >accumulation of wisdom-energy, what to call it?...and the more you give it >away, the more you 'have' Yes! > until ultimately you have nothing at all except peace having completely >given away "I", ultimate dana. I didn't quite make the transition there. You give away the spiritual force from your practice... and you just have more in return... and how does this turn into "nothing at all except peace having completely given away "I"? I mean, what happened to all that energy that kept growing? >Before I had this first episode with energy, I was a do or die, >enlightenment for 'me' person. After, a clear realization came that 'I' >wasn't going anywhere until we all went together. Took years to >understand this fully. That seems like such a complete inner turn-around... an inner and subtle but total metanoia, a remaking of the mind. Any tips on how to talk about it to people who don't already feel the altruism? >> I'm not going to give the details, someone might go and do this practice. > >Dharma -Yes. I would like to write a little book, but I still hesitate about >whether to give those kinds of details. How to balance sharing against the >possibility of hurting someone... > >Joyce - If this thought has come to you, write away...if your motivation >is to serve others then you can share what you have discovered, benefits >and pitfalls. You may be right... I'll think about it. I did find some amazing stuff right out in plain view, in the Gita, in Meister Eckhart's sermons... it seems nobody knew what he was saying. Maybe people don't see what such statements mean unless it's the right time for them. >Dharma - >snip< but your powerful experience awakened >your K. right then... in a big crash, I guess! ) > >Joyce -Yes, quite funny, I had purposely stayed away from any Kundalini >Yoga. I had previously encountered trance mediumship which was really >energy, didnt know what it was at the time but thought myself much too >flakey for Kundalini Yoga. As if one has any control over anything. Hah! I stayed away from it for many years, too. I knew I was using it on subtle levels, but I had the idea that when it awakened physically, it was very dangerous. Had a brief outburst of it in my early 30s and just let it die down, or got used to it. So it was a long time later when my spiritual guru awakened it during meditation... I knew pretty soon what was happening - I mean, when that energy starts moving up from the base of the spine, you can't miss that. ) But by then I wasn't afraid of it. My kids were grown up and nobody really needed me... I felt free to plunge into a big new adventure. >Dharma - Yes, I like the Tibetan teachings. And the only Tibetan teachers >I've met >were wonderful. Rinpoche is this short, not very handsome man - but >radiant! When he came into the room, there was this huge loving presence! > >Joyce - Yes, huge loving presence. Great motivator. I would travel >anywhere to be with this. Not so much need anymore, not so much 'me' >clouding the blue sky -laugh. Well, I had been mulling over an important decision... and when I saw that man, I knew he was someone I would trust completely... so I asked him for advice, and I've followed it. >Dharma -My depression, though I didn't call it that, was a matter of >having to stay >in this world, knowing that I should not, must not, just go back to the All >and stay there... which I wanted all the time. > >Joyce - Yes, me too. Was depressed, grieving and sulking about leaving the >All from the moment I entered this body. I notice what we are descibing is >similar to those who have had Near Death Experience. Really! Does it take them some time too to get back to "normal" life? >>'Emptiness' as experience of the universe has moved from harsh impersonal >>uncontrollable rather nasty never ending bad LSD trip > >Dharma -This is not a description of experience of the All, is it? > >Joyce -No, this is a description of 'Joyce' ( ordinary mind conditioning >occurring after the fact clinging, frightened and struggling. I have all >my life desired to be 'normal'. Hmm... even your IQ would keep you from being "normal." But it sounds like you lead a fairly "normal" life? >Dharma: You also could help people at a distance, especially since you >have active K. Email letters or an email address is just a way to connect. > >Joyce - a little. Im funny, its a way of sending energy. That's all I >have to offer That's a lot!! > other than nothing much phases me. I have organized 'Drama Queen Band' >or 'Dharma Queen',on the dhamma-list. All sufferers welcome, all those in >grief and lamentation, all moaning OK -we have a giggle. Band is growing >to orchestra and a few shy dancers have joined up. It is interesting that >when we Buddhists actually hit suffering we tend to be surprised (and >depressed). LOL! We help each other wherever just by telling stories and >being together. Even learning 'mudita' being VERY happy for the success of >others. Sounds like fun! I'd join, but I can hardly find time for this list and one other, on top of my work... so I'm not going to branch out. > I even learn from 'Tony" although Im guessing he wouldn't uderstand if I >told him how. ))) >Dharma - beautiful! Sychronicity - at the Full Moon just passed (June >5/6), the >Moon was on 15 Sagittarius and the Sbaian symbol for that degree is: > >>SAGITTARIUS 15': SEA GULLS FLY AROUND A SHIP IN EXPECTATION OF FOOD. > >Rudhyar says: "The sea gulls here symbolize the more wild and normally >untamable energies of the human soul, but they too can develop a kind of > >Joyce - *domesticated dependence upon the by-products of man's adventures >within the >realm of the unconscious (the sea)*. How lovely. Now I know what to feed >Seagull although she seems to be helping herself! )))) "The care and feeding of..." )) > I'll have all this great stuff you sent, Dharma. I'd completely forgotten >about 'archetypes'. > >Dharma - Two blind shamans?? Talk about archetypes! ) > >Joyce - Hah! I suspect my blindness is intentional, I can then meet many >great folks. But actually, its only selfishness. Your blindness? Are you physically blind? >Dharma -That must be so difficult! I think I was often an embarrassment to my >kids, but now my son lives near me and we have much in common (he's a very >private person, so I won't say more). And my daughter told me recently >that she had been thinking about how grateful she is that she was exposed >to all this in childhood... she says it makes her path much easier now. > >Joyce - things are only difficult when I want people to be like me. As I >learn to let things be, no hay problema. Family a great path. I have >played the 'no-head game' with my kids which amused them, wasn't difficult >for them. My grandsons are coming to visit soon. Tell me, what's the "no-head game"?? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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