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Since we are on the topic of diet (sorry, a bit behind in my posting), there

is recent news from medical sciences that the heart muscle can regenerate

itself.

 

Along the same line, I would like to mention that my experimentation at

times with a predominantly raw food vegetarian diet demonstrates that it can

dramatically lower blood pressure and ease the stress on the heart.

 

In the 1970s, I came across books by Paul Bragg, a well know advocate for a

natural diet. Makes for good reading and much useful information on fasting

and the benefits of a primarily raw vegetarian diet, especially as the body

ages and the associated cardiovascular risks go up.

 

The full health benefits of a plant based diet have started to become more

apparent to science in recent years only. However, people point out that

many vegetarian yogis like Swami Yogananda suggested including eggs in the

diet. David Bozzi has spoken of the benefits of whey protein in the diet to

meet protein needs.

 

I have heard that Swami Vivekananda started eating meat after he came to

America.

 

Fasting is common among most religions and is said to have both health and

spiritual benefits.

 

We welcome the sharing of experiences and knowledge on the matter of diet,

food, and exercise in the context of spirituality. Thank you.

 

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, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

> Since we are on the topic of diet (sorry, a bit behind in my

posting),...

>

> The full health benefits of a plant based diet have started to

become more

> apparent to science in recent years only. However, people point out

that

> many vegetarian yogis like Swami Yogananda suggested including eggs

in the

> diet. David Bozzi has spoken of the benefits of whey protein in the

diet to

> meet protein needs.

>

> I have heard that Swami Vivekananda started eating meat after he

came to

> America.

>

> Fasting is common among most religions and is said to have both

health and

> spiritual benefits.

>

> We welcome the sharing of experiences and knowledge on the matter

of diet,

> food, and exercise in the context of spirituality. Thank you.

 

Dear Harsha and Friends,

 

I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much

interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he

said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It

breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen.

Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and

one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma

Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without

it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another

thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization"

exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I

have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance

than what is in one's belly.

 

With Love,

Mazie

 

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, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

> > Since we are on the topic of diet (sorry, a bit behind in my

> posting),...

> >

> > The full health benefits of a plant based diet have started to

> become more

> > apparent to science in recent years only. However, people point

out

> that

> > many vegetarian yogis like Swami Yogananda suggested including

eggs

> in the

> > diet. David Bozzi has spoken of the benefits of whey protein in

the

> diet to

> > meet protein needs.

> >

> > I have heard that Swami Vivekananda started eating meat after he

> came to

> > America.

> >

> > Fasting is common among most religions and is said to have both

> health and

> > spiritual benefits.

> >

> > We welcome the sharing of experiences and knowledge on the matter

> of diet,

> > food, and exercise in the context of spirituality. Thank you.

>

> Dear Harsha and Friends,

>

> I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much

> interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something

he

> said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It

> breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've

seen.

> Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and

> one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma

> Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without

> it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another

> thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization"

> exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I

> have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance

> than what is in one's belly.

>

> With Love,

> Mazie

Namaste Mazie,

 

It is ahimsa to cough in public or spit in the public pool. Nobody

criticised meat eaters as such on these posts. I mentioned I don't

even bring it up with meat eaters, they don't know any better. However

with supposed spiritual pathers, or is that pathologies, pointing out

the yogic reasons for abstaining from flesh is hardly criticism.

 

If we cannot discuss the fact that the heavy vibrations ingested are a

detriment to yoga, or that animal suffering is karmically bad and

himsa then what can we discuss? I mentioned that the Buddha said no

harm or cause any harm to any sentient being, and the Ramana said that

for any kind of yoga vegetarianism is absolutely necessary. Thank you

for bringing the point up again... I don't know whether Yogananda was

realised or not. In fact on another list they are discussing how he

died, stroke, heart attack, and whether he drank alcohol excessively

etc. Perhaps you can enlighten us on that? I do have his books and I

enjoy them though.

 

In fact apart from Avatars like Rama, Amilius, Krishna, Jesus etc the

only person I would risk betting was realised is Ramana Maharshi, and

perhaps some disciples who were realised in his presence.. No I am not

a devotee per se....Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.

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Dear Harsha and Friends,

 

I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much

interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he

said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It

breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen.

Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and

one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma

Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without

it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another

thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization"

exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I

have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance

than what is in one's belly.

 

With Love,

Mazie

 

Yes, we are in complete agreement Mazie (By the way, Sahajman said hello to

you with a smile).

 

What is in the heart is more important. Ramana Maharshi, even when

specifically invited to by a questioner to be critical of those who ate fish

and meat invariably remained silent.

 

Dear brother Tony, we learn from both the words of sages as well as their

silence.

 

Love to all

Harsha

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, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> Namaste Mazie,

>

> I don't know whether Yogananda was

> realised or not. In fact on another list they are discussing how he

> died, stroke, heart attack, and whether he drank alcohol

excessively

> etc. Perhaps you can enlighten us on that? I do have his books and

I

> enjoy them though.

>

> In fact apart from Avatars like Rama, Amilius, Krishna, Jesus etc

the

> only person I would risk betting was realised is Ramana Maharshi,

and

> perhaps some disciples who were realised in his presence.. No I am

not

> a devotee per se....Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.

 

Dear Tony,

 

Paramahansa Yogananda is an Avatar. Yes, he is realised. He died as

he said he would, standing, with the words of God and India on his

lips. He was reciting his poem "My India" at the Biltmore Hotel in

L.A. at a banquet held for the ambassador from India, Sri Sen. He

spoke the last lines, 'Where Ganges, woods, Himalayan caves, and

men dream God - I am hallowed; my body touched that sod.' With the

last word, his eyes went up to the Kutastha Chaitanya, and he gently

slumped to the floor. There will always be cruel and ignorant gossip

concerning "modern-day" saints. Those allegations you mentioned about

Paramahansaji are groundless and completely false. But he does not

need me to defend him, his life and all that surround his work, speak

for themselves. Betting on who is and isn't seems meaningless to me.

I would rather be fooled by someone claiming to be a saint, than to

miss the opportunity of recognizing a true saint, for in essence,

even the false saints teach us much more than we may realize. If I am

immersed in love, anyone who claims my attention is a bounty, a

beautiful gift of love beyond imagining. I guess it is that Love is

so paramount in my spiritual path that there is no room for much

worry about the trimmings or theological wooden sandwich sign that

some insist on wearing everywhere they go. All the exterior

differences and quibbles mean nothing if we just live only one way -

love.

 

With Love and Friendship,

Mazie

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, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wr> and meat

invariably remained silent.

>

> Dear brother Tony, we learn from both the words of sages as well as

their

> silence.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

Namaste Harsha,

 

I wasn't commenting on their silence but on specific quotes that

fitted the discussion. I am aware of Mouna etc, but that wasn't the

discussion. However from now onwards I will treat people on here like

I treat the general population of meat eaters. With tolerance, even

when they sit across the table from me. I assumed they were all on a

yogic path, however I made an ass out of you and me, by assuming.

 

The discussion really wasn't about meat but about sadhana and

vibrations inimical to yoga etc. Plus of course hypocrisy, and

addictions but that is my opinion only.ONS....Tony.

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yep!...whoever hear of a wolfe a wilde dog that was a vegetarian...which one

of us does not have a white wolfe for an ancestor?....^^~~~~~~

 

 

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Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:10 PM

Re: Heart disease and diet and general health

 

>

> sraddha54 [sraddha54]

>

> Dear Harsha and Friends,

>

> I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much

> interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he

> said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It

> breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen.

> Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and

> one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma

> Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without

> it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another

> thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization"

> exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I

> have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance

> than what is in one's belly.

>

> With Love,

> Mazie

>

> Yes, we are in complete agreement Mazie (By the way, Sahajman said hello

to

> you with a smile).

>

> What is in the heart is more important. Ramana Maharshi, even when

> specifically invited to by a questioner to be critical of those who ate

fish

> and meat invariably remained silent.

>

> Dear brother Tony, we learn from both the words of sages as well as their

> silence.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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Namaste Harsha,

 

I wasn't commenting on their silence but on specific quotes that

fitted the discussion. I am aware of Mouna etc, but that wasn't the

discussion. However from now onwards I will treat people on here like

I treat the general population of meat eaters. With tolerance, even

when they sit across the table from me. I assumed they were all on a

yogic path, however I made an ass out of you and me, by assuming.

 

The discussion really wasn't about meat but about sadhana and

vibrations inimical to yoga etc. Plus of course hypocrisy, and

addictions but that is my opinion only.ONS....Tony.

_____

Dear Tony,

 

Since this is meant to be a sangha, mutual respect is important. We should

respect each other (and not just tolerate each other) as we have in common

both our humanity and consciousness.

 

Due to conditioning and background, we all have slightly different thought

patterns and habits. And that is not an issue unless we are obsessed with

that.

 

It is possible for vegetarians to be quite dull spiritually and equally

possible for those who eat meat to be highly evolved in their understanding.

 

The example that comes to mind is of the Tibetan yogi Milarepa. One of the

most moving biographies of a yogi and a favorite of the Sage of Arunachala.

 

A diamond has many facets. The light of beauty reflects off each angle and

curve in a slightly different way.

 

Precious is the radiance of the Self. Seeing that Radiance as emanating

from our own Being, we see there is no one to change and make in our own

image.

 

Love

Harsha

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, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> yep!...whoever hear of a wolfe a wilde dog that was a

vegetarian...which one

> of us does not have a white wolfe for an ancestor?....^^~~~~~~

>

Namaste, Hawaiian Poi vegetarian dog....Tony,

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, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

>

> Tony O'Clery [aoclery]

> Dear Tony,

>

> Since this is meant to be a sangha, mutual respect is

important. We should

> respect each other (and not just tolerate each other) as we have in

common

> both our humanity and consciousness.

>

> Due to conditioning and background, we all have slightly

different thought

> patterns and habits. And that is not an issue unless we are obsessed

with

> that.

>

> It is possible for vegetarians to be quite dull spiritually

and equally

> possible for those who eat meat to be highly evolved in their

understanding.

>

> The example that comes to mind is of the Tibetan yogi

Milarepa. One of the

> most moving biographies of a yogi and a favorite of the Sage of

Arunachala.

>

> A diamond has many facets. The light of beauty reflects off

each angle and

> curve in a slightly different way.

>

> Precious is the radiance of the Self. Seeing that Radiance as

emanating

> from our own Being, we see there is no one to change and make in our

own

> image.

>

> Love

> Harsha

 

Namaste Harsha,

 

I appreciate that and perhaps Milarepa was an enlightened being. If he

was then who was eating what, there was no ego to be attached,

addicted to anything. I also understand that some yogis/muktis eat

what is put in front of them. It is all God's dream....ONS..Tony.

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Dear Tony,

 

You wrote:

> I mentioned I don't

> even bring it up with meat eaters,

> they don't know any better.

 

Why then do you bring it up here? There might not be a difference

between a 'spiritual pathing meat eater' and a meat eater! What if they

both don't know any better...?

 

You may not eat meat...

But why don't you let go of your bone of contention?

 

Where did you find that bone...?

In your vegetable patch?

 

Just to change the subject:

What do you think of bone-meal?

 

Love you, Wim

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, "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> You wrote:

> > I mentioned I don't

> > even bring it up with meat eaters,

> > they don't know any better.

>

> Why then do you bring it up here? There might not be a difference

> between a 'spiritual pathing meat eater' and a meat eater! What if

they

> both don't know any better...?

>

> You may not eat meat...

> But why don't you let go of your bone of contention?

>

> Where did you find that bone...?

> In your vegetable patch?

>

> Just to change the subject:

> What do you think of bone-meal?

>

> Love you, Wim

 

Namaste Wim,

 

You are right I don't mind hahah. Bone meal is used to make white

sugar the sugar crystallises around the bone meal. Probably causes the

most cancer in the world.....ONS...Tony.

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Dear Tony,

 

You wrote:

> I also understand that some yogis/muktis eat

> what is put in front of them.

> It is all God's dream....ONS..Tony.

 

So when spiritual pathers eat meat you have a bone to pick... but when

yogis/muktis eat what is dished up, you come up with "It is all God's

dream!!!"

 

You are quite a mental contortionist, you are almost perfect at it...

 

Love, Wim

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Dear Wim,

You may not eat meat...

But why don't you let go of your bone of

contention?

Because gnawing on it gives me pleasure!

It never gets old for me.

Gnaw, gnaw, gnaw my bone

urgently against the stream.

Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,

my life is what it seems ...

Where did you find that

bone...?

In your vegetable patch?

In my collection of unresolved past resentments.

Just to change the

subject:

What do you think of bone-meal?

Grinding it up finer and finer, until there's

nothing left!

Thanks for the suggestion!

Love,

Dan

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