Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Since we are on the topic of diet (sorry, a bit behind in my posting), there is recent news from medical sciences that the heart muscle can regenerate itself. Along the same line, I would like to mention that my experimentation at times with a predominantly raw food vegetarian diet demonstrates that it can dramatically lower blood pressure and ease the stress on the heart. In the 1970s, I came across books by Paul Bragg, a well know advocate for a natural diet. Makes for good reading and much useful information on fasting and the benefits of a primarily raw vegetarian diet, especially as the body ages and the associated cardiovascular risks go up. The full health benefits of a plant based diet have started to become more apparent to science in recent years only. However, people point out that many vegetarian yogis like Swami Yogananda suggested including eggs in the diet. David Bozzi has spoken of the benefits of whey protein in the diet to meet protein needs. I have heard that Swami Vivekananda started eating meat after he came to America. Fasting is common among most religions and is said to have both health and spiritual benefits. We welcome the sharing of experiences and knowledge on the matter of diet, food, and exercise in the context of spirituality. Thank you. /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > Since we are on the topic of diet (sorry, a bit behind in my posting),... > > The full health benefits of a plant based diet have started to become more > apparent to science in recent years only. However, people point out that > many vegetarian yogis like Swami Yogananda suggested including eggs in the > diet. David Bozzi has spoken of the benefits of whey protein in the diet to > meet protein needs. > > I have heard that Swami Vivekananda started eating meat after he came to > America. > > Fasting is common among most religions and is said to have both health and > spiritual benefits. > > We welcome the sharing of experiences and knowledge on the matter of diet, > food, and exercise in the context of spirituality. Thank you. Dear Harsha and Friends, I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen. Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization" exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance than what is in one's belly. With Love, Mazie > > /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , sraddha54@h... wrote: > , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > > Since we are on the topic of diet (sorry, a bit behind in my > posting),... > > > > The full health benefits of a plant based diet have started to > become more > > apparent to science in recent years only. However, people point out > that > > many vegetarian yogis like Swami Yogananda suggested including eggs > in the > > diet. David Bozzi has spoken of the benefits of whey protein in the > diet to > > meet protein needs. > > > > I have heard that Swami Vivekananda started eating meat after he > came to > > America. > > > > Fasting is common among most religions and is said to have both > health and > > spiritual benefits. > > > > We welcome the sharing of experiences and knowledge on the matter > of diet, > > food, and exercise in the context of spirituality. Thank you. > > Dear Harsha and Friends, > > I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much > interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he > said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It > breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen. > Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and > one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma > Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without > it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another > thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization" > exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I > have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance > than what is in one's belly. > > With Love, > Mazie Namaste Mazie, It is ahimsa to cough in public or spit in the public pool. Nobody criticised meat eaters as such on these posts. I mentioned I don't even bring it up with meat eaters, they don't know any better. However with supposed spiritual pathers, or is that pathologies, pointing out the yogic reasons for abstaining from flesh is hardly criticism. If we cannot discuss the fact that the heavy vibrations ingested are a detriment to yoga, or that animal suffering is karmically bad and himsa then what can we discuss? I mentioned that the Buddha said no harm or cause any harm to any sentient being, and the Ramana said that for any kind of yoga vegetarianism is absolutely necessary. Thank you for bringing the point up again... I don't know whether Yogananda was realised or not. In fact on another list they are discussing how he died, stroke, heart attack, and whether he drank alcohol excessively etc. Perhaps you can enlighten us on that? I do have his books and I enjoy them though. In fact apart from Avatars like Rama, Amilius, Krishna, Jesus etc the only person I would risk betting was realised is Ramana Maharshi, and perhaps some disciples who were realised in his presence.. No I am not a devotee per se....Om Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 sraddha54 [sraddha54] Dear Harsha and Friends, I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen. Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization" exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance than what is in one's belly. With Love, Mazie Yes, we are in complete agreement Mazie (By the way, Sahajman said hello to you with a smile). What is in the heart is more important. Ramana Maharshi, even when specifically invited to by a questioner to be critical of those who ate fish and meat invariably remained silent. Dear brother Tony, we learn from both the words of sages as well as their silence. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste Mazie, > > I don't know whether Yogananda was > realised or not. In fact on another list they are discussing how he > died, stroke, heart attack, and whether he drank alcohol excessively > etc. Perhaps you can enlighten us on that? I do have his books and I > enjoy them though. > > In fact apart from Avatars like Rama, Amilius, Krishna, Jesus etc the > only person I would risk betting was realised is Ramana Maharshi, and > perhaps some disciples who were realised in his presence.. No I am not > a devotee per se....Om Namah Sivaya...Tony. Dear Tony, Paramahansa Yogananda is an Avatar. Yes, he is realised. He died as he said he would, standing, with the words of God and India on his lips. He was reciting his poem "My India" at the Biltmore Hotel in L.A. at a banquet held for the ambassador from India, Sri Sen. He spoke the last lines, 'Where Ganges, woods, Himalayan caves, and men dream God - I am hallowed; my body touched that sod.' With the last word, his eyes went up to the Kutastha Chaitanya, and he gently slumped to the floor. There will always be cruel and ignorant gossip concerning "modern-day" saints. Those allegations you mentioned about Paramahansaji are groundless and completely false. But he does not need me to defend him, his life and all that surround his work, speak for themselves. Betting on who is and isn't seems meaningless to me. I would rather be fooled by someone claiming to be a saint, than to miss the opportunity of recognizing a true saint, for in essence, even the false saints teach us much more than we may realize. If I am immersed in love, anyone who claims my attention is a bounty, a beautiful gift of love beyond imagining. I guess it is that Love is so paramount in my spiritual path that there is no room for much worry about the trimmings or theological wooden sandwich sign that some insist on wearing everywhere they go. All the exterior differences and quibbles mean nothing if we just live only one way - love. With Love and Friendship, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wr> and meat invariably remained silent. > > Dear brother Tony, we learn from both the words of sages as well as their > silence. > > Love to all > Harsha Namaste Harsha, I wasn't commenting on their silence but on specific quotes that fitted the discussion. I am aware of Mouna etc, but that wasn't the discussion. However from now onwards I will treat people on here like I treat the general population of meat eaters. With tolerance, even when they sit across the table from me. I assumed they were all on a yogic path, however I made an ass out of you and me, by assuming. The discussion really wasn't about meat but about sadhana and vibrations inimical to yoga etc. Plus of course hypocrisy, and addictions but that is my opinion only.ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 yep!...whoever hear of a wolfe a wilde dog that was a vegetarian...which one of us does not have a white wolfe for an ancestor?....^^~~~~~~ - Harsha <harsha-hkl <> Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:10 PM Re: Heart disease and diet and general health > > sraddha54 [sraddha54] > > Dear Harsha and Friends, > > I have been watching the on-going veggie/meat issue with much > interest. Your mention of Sri Yoganandaji reminded me of something he > said. He said, "To criticize a meat-eater is an act of violence. It > breaks the law of ahimsa." This seems to be true from what I've seen. > Sri Yoganandaji also recommends fasting one day a week on water, and > one week a month on fruit juice and water. I read that Mahatma > Gandhiji took goat's milk because he found himself too weak without > it. I think he said this in "My Experiments With Truth." Another > thing expounded by Sri Yoganandaji is a set of "energization" > exercises. They are done before morning and evening meditations. I > have found that what is in one's heart is of much more importance > than what is in one's belly. > > With Love, > Mazie > > Yes, we are in complete agreement Mazie (By the way, Sahajman said hello to > you with a smile). > > What is in the heart is more important. Ramana Maharshi, even when > specifically invited to by a questioner to be critical of those who ate fish > and meat invariably remained silent. > > Dear brother Tony, we learn from both the words of sages as well as their > silence. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Tony O'Clery [aoclery] Namaste Harsha, I wasn't commenting on their silence but on specific quotes that fitted the discussion. I am aware of Mouna etc, but that wasn't the discussion. However from now onwards I will treat people on here like I treat the general population of meat eaters. With tolerance, even when they sit across the table from me. I assumed they were all on a yogic path, however I made an ass out of you and me, by assuming. The discussion really wasn't about meat but about sadhana and vibrations inimical to yoga etc. Plus of course hypocrisy, and addictions but that is my opinion only.ONS....Tony. _____ Dear Tony, Since this is meant to be a sangha, mutual respect is important. We should respect each other (and not just tolerate each other) as we have in common both our humanity and consciousness. Due to conditioning and background, we all have slightly different thought patterns and habits. And that is not an issue unless we are obsessed with that. It is possible for vegetarians to be quite dull spiritually and equally possible for those who eat meat to be highly evolved in their understanding. The example that comes to mind is of the Tibetan yogi Milarepa. One of the most moving biographies of a yogi and a favorite of the Sage of Arunachala. A diamond has many facets. The light of beauty reflects off each angle and curve in a slightly different way. Precious is the radiance of the Self. Seeing that Radiance as emanating from our own Being, we see there is no one to change and make in our own image. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote: > yep!...whoever hear of a wolfe a wilde dog that was a vegetarian...which one > of us does not have a white wolfe for an ancestor?....^^~~~~~~ > Namaste, Hawaiian Poi vegetarian dog....Tony, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > > Tony O'Clery [aoclery] > Dear Tony, > > Since this is meant to be a sangha, mutual respect is important. We should > respect each other (and not just tolerate each other) as we have in common > both our humanity and consciousness. > > Due to conditioning and background, we all have slightly different thought > patterns and habits. And that is not an issue unless we are obsessed with > that. > > It is possible for vegetarians to be quite dull spiritually and equally > possible for those who eat meat to be highly evolved in their understanding. > > The example that comes to mind is of the Tibetan yogi Milarepa. One of the > most moving biographies of a yogi and a favorite of the Sage of Arunachala. > > A diamond has many facets. The light of beauty reflects off each angle and > curve in a slightly different way. > > Precious is the radiance of the Self. Seeing that Radiance as emanating > from our own Being, we see there is no one to change and make in our own > image. > > Love > Harsha Namaste Harsha, I appreciate that and perhaps Milarepa was an enlightened being. If he was then who was eating what, there was no ego to be attached, addicted to anything. I also understand that some yogis/muktis eat what is put in front of them. It is all God's dream....ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > I mentioned I don't > even bring it up with meat eaters, > they don't know any better. Why then do you bring it up here? There might not be a difference between a 'spiritual pathing meat eater' and a meat eater! What if they both don't know any better...? You may not eat meat... But why don't you let go of your bone of contention? Where did you find that bone...? In your vegetable patch? Just to change the subject: What do you think of bone-meal? Love you, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > I mentioned I don't > > even bring it up with meat eaters, > > they don't know any better. > > Why then do you bring it up here? There might not be a difference > between a 'spiritual pathing meat eater' and a meat eater! What if they > both don't know any better...? > > You may not eat meat... > But why don't you let go of your bone of contention? > > Where did you find that bone...? > In your vegetable patch? > > Just to change the subject: > What do you think of bone-meal? > > Love you, Wim Namaste Wim, You are right I don't mind hahah. Bone meal is used to make white sugar the sugar crystallises around the bone meal. Probably causes the most cancer in the world.....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > I also understand that some yogis/muktis eat > what is put in front of them. > It is all God's dream....ONS..Tony. So when spiritual pathers eat meat you have a bone to pick... but when yogis/muktis eat what is dished up, you come up with "It is all God's dream!!!" You are quite a mental contortionist, you are almost perfect at it... Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Dear Wim, You may not eat meat... But why don't you let go of your bone of contention? Because gnawing on it gives me pleasure! It never gets old for me. Gnaw, gnaw, gnaw my bone urgently against the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, my life is what it seems ... Where did you find that bone...? In your vegetable patch? In my collection of unresolved past resentments. Just to change the subject: What do you think of bone-meal? Grinding it up finer and finer, until there's nothing left! Thanks for the suggestion! Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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