in comparsions, or beyond compare? / Mirror

[Guest guest]

Dear Mirror,

This rings beautiful and true:

There is

nothing essential in the future,

that is not already now.

Any experience, whether past or future, is still an

experience, even if it is an experience of union with all.

That which is unrelated to any

experience,

does not improve or degrade with any

experience,

yet *is* every experience,

is only now.

No amount of experiences can reveal

this,

not to me, not to you.

It is always self evident.

It is only now.

Intriguingly, I found the previous paragraph,

ringing beautiful and true as I read on,

had some questions for the second

paragraph --

When a man

realizes it cannot be known,

Does a man realize something about it,

or is it self-evident?

he rests and

tends peacefully to that which can be known,

playing along with the game of

comparisons

between closer and

further.

*It* now is unrelated to experiences,

and *is* whatever experiences arise --

so where can a game of comparisons

take place?

Walking an

empty road

without feet,

jumping an uncharted abyss

without wings,

he thrives on the game,

playing life to the fullest,

in perfect harmony with,

and perfect love for

higher and deeper.

Is there a game on which to

thrive, if already *being*

all and beyond all experience?

Namaste,

Dan

[Guest guest]

Dear Mirror,This rings beautiful and true:

 

and then to another reader it may sound like rubbish... :-)

There is nothing essential in the future,that is not already now.Any

experience, whether past or future, is still an experience, even if

it is an experience of union with all.That which is unrelated to any

experience,does not improve or degrade with any experience,yet *is*

every experience,is only now.No amount of experiences can reveal

this,not to me, not to you.It is always self evident.It is only

now.Intriguingly, I found the previous paragraph, ringing beautiful

and true as I read on, had some questions for the second paragraph

--

When a man realizes it cannot be known,

Does a man realize something about it, or is it self-evident?

 

That which sounds beautiful and true

phrased into certain words

may raise questions in the next paragraph.

Neither the first paragraph nor the second

add or substract to the self evident nature

of that which is beyond and within these sentences.

To talk about a man who realizes what cannot be known,

is a paradox. For *what* is *he* realizing then?

he rests and tends peacefully to that which can be known,playing along

with the game of comparisonsbetween closer and further.

*It* now is unrelated to experiences, and *is* whatever experiences

arise -- so where can a game of comparisons take place?

 

There is no *it* unrelated or related to experiences, as you well know dear danji :-)

but *it* seems to be the only way to say something about *it*...

The game of comparisons needs no location to take place, unless such

game and such location are imagined to be played somewhere. No game

and no players involved, yet numerous self evident appearances that

appear as tangible proof that such game is taking place...

Walking an empty roadwithout feet,jumping an uncharted abysswithout

wings,he thrives on the game,playing life to the fullest,in perfect

harmony with,and perfect love forhigher and deeper.

Is there a game on which to thrive, if already *being* all and beyond all experience?

 

Namaste,DanEven to say 'to thrive' is alreay one step into the game

of all comparisons. It is the particle within the game that thrives

as part of that game, only because its opposite within the same

scenario is not triving. Thus creating a full experience of

opposites. There is no *one* or *it* outside this experience that is

doing the thriving. It is the man, within the game of playing his

part as a particle, knowing himself to be neither yet both, who

rejoices in the play. However there is no experience within his play

nor results of his actions which could possibly improve or degrade

that which is unrelated to actions and experiences.

 

Love,

Mira

[Guest guest]

Hi Mirror!

This

rings beautiful and true:

 

and then to another reader it may sound like

rubbish... :-)

D: No other readers here.

It's beautiful and true.

When

a man realizes it cannot be known,Does a man realize

something about it,

or is it self-evident?

 

That which sounds beautiful and true

phrased into certain words

may raise questions in the next

paragraph.

Neither the first paragraph nor the

second

add or substract to the self evident

nature

of that which is beyond and within these

sentences.

To talk about a man who realizes what cannot be

known,

is a paradox. For *what* is *he* realizing

then?

D: The words said, "A man realizes it cannot be known"...

which is different than

"A man who realizes *what* cannot be known".

(or maybe not different, just as "seen here")

A man who realizes *what* can't be known,

can't be known as a man,

and can't be spoken about truthfully,

certainly not as a man who realized

that it can't be known. (Or maybe he

can -- but this is my story, unfolding

like this, in this dream ;-)

In realizing *what*, he was/is simultaneously

enfolded/unfolded ...

The man is the realization, and the realization,

being fully unknown, is no realization.

And yes, we just did speak about him,

and yes, to thought there is only paradox.

Beyond thought, it is simplicity itself and no

paradox at all.

he

rests and tends peacefully to that which can be known,

playing along with the game of

comparisons

between closer and further.*It*

now is unrelated to experiences,

and *is* whatever experiences arise --

so where can a game of comparisons

take place?

 

There is no *it* unrelated or related to

experiences, as you well know dear danji :-)

but *it* seems to be the only way to say something

about *it*...

D: Beyond speaking of *it* there is *it* itself,

unfolding/enfolding itself simultaneously,

unknown.

The

game of comparisons needs no location to take place, unless such game and

such location are imagined to be played

somewhere.

D: Simultaneous, instantaneous, nondurational

enfolding/unfolding, leaves no place for a

"game of comparisons" --

The imagining that one is playing a

game of comparisons is how there

is an investment in a self.

No

game and no players involved, yet numerous self evident appearances that

appear as tangible proof that such game is taking

place...

D: It's when the tangible proof is no longer

taken as tangible proof that the

game and game player can no longer

attempt to co-exist with *it* ...

Walking

an empty road

without feet,

jumping an uncharted abyss

without wings,

he thrives on the game,

playing life to the fullest,

in perfect harmony with,

and perfect love for

higher and deeper.

Is there a game on which to

thrive, if already *being*

all and beyond all experience?

Even to say 'to thrive' is alreay one step into the

game of all comparisons. It is the particle within the game that thrives

as part of that game, only because its opposite within the same scenario

is not thriving. Thus creating a full experience of opposites. There is

no *one* or *it* outside this experience that is doing the thriving. It

is the man, within the game of playing his part as a particle, knowing

himself to be neither yet both, who rejoices in the play. However there

is no experience within his play nor results of his actions which could

possibly improve or degrade that which is unrelated to actions and

experiences.

D: It is the attempt to continue an existence as

a particle who thrives, which is the root of

suffering. To take suffering as thriving is

how the game of comparisons validates

itself as worth continuing. If he knows

himself to be neither yet both, then

he knows something. By knowing

himself as both, he's not *not*,

he's someone who knows something.

To rejoice in the play is to be the play.

To be the play is to be all players and locations.

To be all players and locations is to have no

location.

To have no location ends having a position in a play.

*it* now ends "is" and "is not" as playing positions

....

Thus, the fire which is "rejoicing" ends up burning

itself up, burning up all sense of being something,

being nothing, or being both -- revealing only not-a-thing

....

Useless knowledge about being and not-being

is burned up ...

So yes, dreams unfold beyond choice or nonchoice,

in the seemingness of a space that has

no real place, where "is" and "is not"

appear to play out activities and nonactivities ...

And in this dream, these words, this exchange

of (non)information seemingly took place ...

:-)

Love,

Dan