Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 I discovered for myself and by myself that there is no self to realize -- that's the realization I am talking about. It comes as a shattering blow. It hits you like a thunderbolt. You have invested everything in one basket, self-realization, and, in the end, suddenly you discover that there is no self to discover, no self to realize -- and you say to yourself "What the hell have I been doing all my life?!" That blasts you. ***** UG Krishnamurti Attachment: (image/jpeg) ug025t.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 ºI discovered for myself and by myself that thereºis no self to realize -- that's the realization I amºtalking about. It comes as a shattering blow. Itºhits you like a thunderbolt. You have investedºeverything in one basket, self-realization, and, inºthe end, suddenly you discover that there is noºself to discover, no self to realize -- and you say toºyourself "What the hell have I been doing all myºlife?!" That blasts you.ººUG KrishnamurtiThanks for the laugh by submitting this quote Judi...Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"...But then, one also might wonder whether UG was "realized" or not - because what would be the use of relabeling a black wolf to "not a white wolf"? That must be because every cow has four legs but not everything with four legs is a cow...? :-) Apart from that, it shows that UG had expectations of "self-realization" andall his expectations were blown out - not much of a surprise though...Why didn't he just say" Whatever label, it's never what you think, expector hope. All thoughts, expectations and hope constitute the seeming separation". My guess is, he didn't say that because you just did...? Now I am going to sit in my garden wondering which words are more accurate ;-) Love, Mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 On 6/9/01 at 1:18 PM Mirror wrote: ºI discovered for myself and by myself that thereºis no self to realize -- that's the realization I amºtalking about. It comes as a shattering blow. Itºhits you like a thunderbolt. You have investedºeverything in one basket, self-realization, and, inºthe end, suddenly you discover that there is noºself to discover, no self to realize -- and you say toºyourself "What the hell have I been doing all myºlife?!" That blasts you.ººUG KrishnamurtiThanks for the laugh by submitting this quote Judi...Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"...But then, one also might wonder whether UG was "realized" or not - because what would be the use of relabeling a black wolf to "not a white wolf"? That must be because every cow has four legs but not everything with four legs is a cow...? :-) Apart from that, it shows that UG had expectations of "self-realization" andall his expectations were blown out - not much of a surprise though...Why didn't he just say" Whatever label, it's never what you think, expector hope. All thoughts, expectations and hope constitute the seeming separation". My guess is, he didn't say that because you just did...? Now I am going to sit in my garden wondering which words are more accurate ;-) Love, Mira Thanks for the laugh Mira - but why did you skip this: Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"... Not clear to you either? Oh well, happy sitting ) Joy and laughter, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 At 10:14 PM 6/8/01 -0700, you wrote: I discovered for myself and by myself that there is no self to realize -- that's the realization I am talking about. It comes as a shattering blow. It hits you like a thunderbolt. You have invested everything in one basket, self-realization, and, in the end, suddenly you discover that there is no self to discover, no self to realize -- and you say to yourself "What the hell have I been doing all my life?!" That blasts you. ***** UG Krishnamurti And then you say to yourself, "Oh no, I just blasted myself again. I've got to remember to stop talking to myself..." -- D. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 there is no one else to talk to 'cause no one else is listeining....(wimmsy...are you listening...naw!....we are not here are here....tee hee!)....but i do hear my beloved calling, calling, calling....^^~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe p.s. what a game! - Daniel Berkow Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:20 AM Re: Oh No !! :-) At 10:14 PM 6/8/01 -0700, you wrote: I discovered for myself and by myself that thereis no self to realize -- that's the realization I amtalking about. It comes as a shattering blow. Ithits you like a thunderbolt. You have investedeverything in one basket, self-realization, and, inthe end, suddenly you discover that there is noself to discover, no self to realize -- and you say toyourself "What the hell have I been doing all mylife?!" That blasts you.***** UG KrishnamurtiAnd then you say to yourself, "Oh no, I just blasted myself again. I've got to remember to stop talking to myself..."-- D. ;-)/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > > > On 6/9/01 at 1:18 PM Mirror wrote: > ºI discovered for myself and by myself that there > ºis no self to realize -- that's the realization I am > ºtalking about. It comes as a shattering blow. It > ºhits you like a thunderbolt. You have invested > ºeverything in one basket, self-realization, and, in > ºthe end, suddenly you discover that there is no > ºself to discover, no self to realize -- and you say to > ºyourself "What the hell have I been doing all my > ºlife?!" That blasts you. > º > ºUG Krishnamurti > > Thanks for the laugh by submitting this quote Judi... > Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"... > But then, one also might wonder whether UG was "realized" or not - because what > would be the use of relabeling a black wolf to "not a white wolf"? > > That must be because every cow has four legs but not everything with four legs is a cow...? :-) > > Apart from that, it shows that UG had expectations of "self-realization" and > all his expectations were blown out - not much of a surprise though... > Why didn't he just say" Whatever label, it's never what you think, expect > or hope. All thoughts, expectations and hope constitute the seeming separation". > > My guess is, he didn't say that because you just did...? > Now I am going to sit in my garden wondering which words are more accurate ;-) > > Love, > Mira > > Thanks for the laugh Mira - but why did you skip this: > > Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"... > > Not clear to you either? > > Oh well, happy sitting ) > > Joy and laughter, > Jan Namaste All, I'm surprised that he didn't make the difference between self and SELF. Then he was trained by Theosophist who didn't quite 'get it'....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:43:27 -0000 "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery writes: > , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 6/9/01 at 1:18 PM Mirror wrote: > > ºI discovered for myself and by myself that there > > ºis no self to realize -- that's the realization I am > > ºtalking about. It comes as a shattering blow. It > > ºhits you like a thunderbolt. You have invested > > ºeverything in one basket, self-realization, and, in > > ºthe end, suddenly you discover that there is no > > ºself to discover, no self to realize -- and you say to > > ºyourself "What the hell have I been doing all my > > ºlife?!" That blasts you. > > º > > ºUG Krishnamurti > > > > Thanks for the laugh by submitting this quote Judi... > > Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called > "self-realization"... > > But then, one also might wonder whether UG was "realized" or not - > > because what > > would be the use of relabeling a black wolf to "not a white > wolf"? > > > > That must be because every cow has four legs but not everything > with > four legs is a cow...? :-) > > > > Apart from that, it shows that UG had expectations of > "self-realization" and > > all his expectations were blown out - not much of a surprise > though... > > Why didn't he just say" Whatever label, it's never what you think, > expect > > or hope. All thoughts, expectations and hope constitute the > seeming > separation". > > > > My guess is, he didn't say that because you just did...? > > Now I am going to sit in my garden wondering which words are more > > accurate ;-) > > > > Love, > > Mira > > > > Thanks for the laugh Mira - but why did you skip this: > > > > Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called > "self-realization"... > > > > Not clear to you either? > > > > Oh well, happy sitting ) > > > > Joy and laughter, > > Jan > > Namaste All, > > I'm surprised that he didn't make the difference between self and > SELF. Then he was trained by Theosophist who didn't quite 'get > it'....ONS...Tony. > You are confusing *U.G.* Krishnamurti with *J.* Krishnamurti -- U.G. was never "trained by Theosophist." http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Dear Jan -- Brilliantly observed. Namaste. To present notions "against the white wolfe" doesn't necessarily deal with the black wolf. Beyond the field of action and inaction ... proposition and antiproposition .. Who is there to "rant" against ... It's never what you think, nor is it something else ... Wolfless, Love >Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called >"self-realization"... >But then, one also might wonder whether UG was "realized" or not - because >what >would be the use of relabeling a black wolf to "not a white wolf"? >Apart from that, it shows that UG had expectations of "self-realization" and >all his expectations were blown out - not much of a surprise though... > >Why didn't he just say" Whatever label, it's never what you think, expect >or hope. All thoughts, expectations and hope constitute the seeming >separation". > >Jan > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and >subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not >different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the >nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. >It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the >Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of >Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome >all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Thanks for the laugh Mira - but why did you skip this: Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"... Not clear to you either? Oh well, happy sitting ) Joy and laughter, Jan U.G. seems to be "anti-transcendence" -- that's why he didn't see why the term "self-realization" was used, and why he has no "use" for the ancients .... And yes, neither pro-transcendence nor anti-transcendence, the "ancient one" is here, directly ... Too new to arrive, Ancient One Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 - Bruce Morgen Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:50 PM Re: Re: Oh No !! :-) snip > > Namaste All,> > I'm surprised that he didn't make the difference between self and > SELF. Then he was trained by Theosophist who didn't quite 'get > it'....ONS...Tony.> You are confusing *U.G.* Krishnamurti with *J.* Krishnamurti -- U.G. was never "trained by Theosophist."Hmm, you are right, but then he hung out for years with *J.* who was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 there is no one else to talk to 'cause no one else is listeining....(wimmsy...are you listening...naw!....we are not here are here....tee hee!)....but i do hear my beloved calling, calling, calling....^^~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe p.s. what a game! Games are begun to be ended. No one was ever listening ... The shock is "hearing" that ... Because the "talker" is a function of the thought that someone is there to be affected by "my" talk to myself ... What calls and what answers not-two -- has no gap between for any movement or nonmovement to arise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Yes, he was a JK sycophant and part of his expectation schtick was the hope og being acknowledged by JK -- which never happened. JK considered him unstable, pretty much a stalker. On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:03:07 -0400 "Gloria Lee" <glee (AT) intrepid (DOT) net> writes: - Bruce Morgen Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:50 PM Re: Re: Oh No !! :-) snip > > Namaste All,> > I'm surprised that he didn't make the difference between self and > SELF. Then he was trained by Theosophist who didn't quite 'get > it'....ONS...Tony.> You are confusing *U.G.* Krishnamurti with *J.* Krishnamurti -- U.G. was never "trained by Theosophist."Hmm, you are right, but then he hung out for years with *J.* who was.http://come.to/realizationhttp://www.atman.net/realizationhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htmhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Dan: Games are begun to be ended. and somewhere between the middle and the middle, it will never end and always begin...No one was ever listening ... and ears were formed, to assist the no one in not listening The shock is "hearing" that ... especially shocking to the no one who was never listeningBecause the "talker" is a function of the thought that someone is there to be affected by "my" talk to myself ... testing, testing, 1, 2, 3..... testing, testing... hello? is no one there? are you not listening? What calls and what answers not-two -- has no gap between for any movement or nonmovement to arise...I dial my number... hello? no answer... the line is busy. Love, Mira [ps... forgive me, I am in one of those terrible moods... but no one was ever listening anyway....?] :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Dear Mirror -- Games are begun to be ended. and somewhere between the middle and the middle, it will never end and always begin... The game ends because it has beginning. There is only a middle if there is a beginning and end. It can't "always begin without ending" ... wishful thinking .... Without beginning, endlessness ... No one was ever listening ... and ears were formed, to assist the no one in not listening Being given ears, its ability to listen diminished. The shock is "hearing" that ... especially shocking to the no one who was never listening Not shocking to someone, nor to no one. The shock of "hearing" without the ears being involved ... Because the "talker" is a function of the thought that someone is there to be affected by "my" talk to myself ... testing, testing, 1, 2, 3..... testing, testing... hello? is no one there? are you not listening? The talker ceases his/her talk when it's realized that the talk is an attempt to transfer something (self-esteem, a good experience, self-validation, whatever). Totality is realizer and realizing -- and "how" it is realized that nothing can be transferred ... With the ceasing, the talker ceases, shown to be a function of the talking. What calls and what answers not-two -- has no gap between for any movement or nonmovement to arise... I dial my number... hello? no answer... the line is busy. Beautifully stated! Yes -- that's exactly the "glitch", the "cycle", the game that tries not to end, and to always begin ... [ps... forgive me, I am in one of those terrible moods... but no one was ever listening anyway....?] :-) Ah - but you said it well, I'm dialing my own phoneline ... And "insight" doesn't depend on mood. So nothing to forgive ... With no call made, Silence. Even when speaking, acting in the world, Silence. Silence intolerable to the one who has something to say, an impact to make -- undermining anything to be gained or avoided by doing or not doing anything ... Yet, Silence "prior" to any tolerator, talker, doer, becomer ... Simply *is* --- with no one listening and nothing to say ... so just *listening* ... Don't mind me talking to myself, sharing the process of one not there to have a process ;-) Not saying anything, Just love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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