Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 Namaste All, It is interesting that Tim McVeigh had the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church,( Catholicism is so Buddhistic). So in order for that to happen he had to be contrite etc etc. As a fellow 'Irish Catholic', or of that background, it says a lot about McVeigh's real state of mind, to me. First of all he would believe he had been forgiven and that the wouldn't go to 'Hell', and secondly he would have been in a state of Grace, pure except for the retribution. This Sacrament of Extreme Unction can be administered before or shortly after death, (very Bardo). So Tim believes he is going to purgatory for a while, which all in all means reincarnation, or resurrection as it was called in the early church. So the state of Tim's mind would have been in a better place than the bitter, grieving, angry fundamentalists shouting about him going to Hell etc etc. I feel sorry for them for they have no Extreme Unction to massage their minds and to their same karma they go, as will no doubt Dubya with his 153 murders. So it seems that ritualistic religion is very important and useful to those whose minds and awareness are at a fundamentalist stage. Fundamentalism of the Protestant type seems to have thrown out all the inherited rituals that helped the mind of the ordinary person. It has done the survivors of the Murrah Building bombing no favours and left them in a bad vengeful place. OM Namah Sivaya......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 ya man!...did you read my poem....makes me deeply ashamed to be an american....in god we trust....bullshit....in money and power (same thing) we trust....dubya spent more money that anyone ever has to seize power and even then under a cloud.....TMcV was not 'murdered' he was 'executed'....now i understand the great arising in me at his death.....a martyr to higher love....he died a zen catholic as i hope to do.....puzzles me that all you 'wise' ones on this list i chosen to ignore this monumental sacrifice.....i re-post my elegy....^^~~~~~ in memorian of one sacred warrior (for timothy mcveigh) '....all manner of things are well...." -Dame Julien of Norwich so we created a murderer and you allowed us to murder him your crime was heinous and you knew it and so do we you marched into death unflinchingly courageous with wide open eyes watching us who remain sitting vainly disputing and wondering about turth and what lies beyond you are ishmael and judas darkness within dark liteness within lite your non-duality comes to us as just one a noble warrior rests in peace rest in peace noble warrior i who am afraid of you rest in your courage i who hold to one duality hold on to just you just one you in the beloved is rest well timothy well rest is in the beloved all manner of things are well mark christopher valentine (june 11, 2001) - Tony O'Clery <aoclery <> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:53 AM Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > Namaste All, > > It is interesting that Tim McVeigh had the last rites of the Roman > Catholic Church,( Catholicism is so Buddhistic). So in order for that > to happen he had to be contrite etc etc. As a fellow 'Irish Catholic', > or of that background, it says a lot about McVeigh's real state of > mind, to me. First of all he would believe he had been forgiven and > that the wouldn't go to 'Hell', and secondly he would have been in a > state of Grace, pure except for the retribution. This Sacrament of > Extreme Unction can be administered before or shortly after death, > (very Bardo). So Tim believes he is going to purgatory for a while, > which all in all means reincarnation, or resurrection as it was called > in the early church. > > So the state of Tim's mind would have been in a better place than the > bitter, grieving, angry fundamentalists shouting about him going to > Hell etc etc. I feel sorry for them for they have no Extreme Unction > to massage their minds and to their same karma they go, as will no > doubt Dubya with his 153 murders. > > So it seems that ritualistic religion is very important and useful to > those whose minds and awareness are at a fundamentalist stage. > > Fundamentalism of the Protestant type seems to have thrown out all the > inherited rituals that helped the mind of the ordinary person. It has > done the survivors of the Murrah Building bombing no favours and left > them in a bad vengeful place. > > OM Namah Sivaya......Tony. > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 Namaste All, Look no further for how deep into the soul the Belilians have reached...ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 - White Wolfe <valemar <>; <NondualitySalon >; <thomasmerton>; <PerceptionsOfLife> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:05 PM Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > ya man!...did you read my poem....makes me deeply ashamed to be an > american....in god we trust....bullshit....in money and power (same thing) > we trust....dubya spent more money that anyone ever has to seize power and > even then under a cloud.....TMcV was not 'murdered' he was 'executed'....now > i understand the great arising in me at his death.....a martyr to higher > love....he died a zen catholic as i hope to do.....puzzles me that all you > 'wise' ones on this list i chosen to ignore this monumental sacrifice.....i > re-post my elegy....^^~~~~~ True, I for one cannot understand how anyone would even entertain the notion of having such a shining star.. the very paragon of humanitarian virtue, Timothy Mcveigh, executed. He was a loving warrior to all who knew him. And all the lives he touched, well..the ones he didn't heinously destroy in cold blooded fashion, were touched for the better. Nay brother, he deserves no internet-based elegy, he deserves a full parade, ceremony upon ceremony, TV specials to glorify the great Zen master. Nay, I even say he deserves something more..something that my lowly self cannot possibly give, oh woe to me, I am but a simple minded thespian. Who am I compared to such greatness, such sensitivity, such compassion and strength of mind. I cannot even begin to fathom the vengeful bloodlust that the survivors of the bombing feel... but lets not talk of them, lets not talk of the multitudes of families he has scarred forever. For their suffering is not the issue now. Let us all bow our heads in a moment of silence. All prostrate before Sri Guru Tim Mcveigh. I, for one, have his picture fastened firmly around my neck. I offer it foodstuffs such as cinnamon, frankincense & myrrh so that the loving grace of the homicidal maniac may take hold of my spirit. But alas, it shall never be.. I have not the tenacity and courage to destroy the lives of hundreds of people. And so I stand here... diminished... Damn the US government, bah the execution wasn't about justice, it wasn't about the wishes of the people. It was about money, power and the suppression of the free creative spirit! They were not ready to handle the message of pure love in Mcveigh's misunderstood actions and so they reacted in anger and a perverse sense of justice... Damn them all! ....first it was Jesus Christ..now Tim Mcveigh.. who will it be next??? Kind regards, Jeremy PS I was debating whether or not to reply with a simple " you're joking right?" but in the free wheeling, devil may care spirit of the illumined one Tim Mcveigh, I have decided to put my creative writing talents to use. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 Good piece, Jeremy! I'm against the death penalty, but I don't understand this glorifying of the "sacrifice" of the "sacred warrior" who committed the worst mass murder in our country's history. I don't feel sorry for McVeigh's death, though I'm sorry he couldn't have lived a better life... found a way to work out his problems with slaughtering hundreds of people. >True, I for one cannot understand how anyone would even entertain the notion >of having such a shining star.. the very paragon of humanitarian virtue, >Timothy Mcveigh, executed. He was a loving warrior to all who knew him. And >all the lives he touched, well..the ones he didn't heinously destroy in cold >blooded fashion, were touched for the better. Nay brother, he deserves no >internet-based elegy, he deserves a full parade, ceremony upon ceremony, TV >specials to glorify the great Zen master. Nay, I even say he deserves >something more..something that my lowly self cannot possibly give, oh woe to >me, I am but a simple minded thespian. Who am I compared to such greatness, >such sensitivity, such compassion and strength of mind. I cannot even begin >to fathom the vengeful bloodlust that the survivors of the bombing feel... >but lets not talk of them, lets not talk of the multitudes of families he >has scarred forever. For their suffering is not the issue now. Let us all >bow our heads in a moment of silence. All prostrate before Sri Guru Tim >Mcveigh. I, for one, have his picture fastened firmly around my neck. I >offer it foodstuffs such as cinnamon, frankincense & myrrh so that the >loving grace of the homicidal maniac may take hold of my spirit. But alas, >it shall never be.. I have not the tenacity and courage to destroy the lives >of hundreds of people. And so I stand here... diminished... >Damn the US government, bah the execution wasn't about justice, it wasn't >about the wishes of the people. It was about money, power and the >suppression of the free creative spirit! They were not ready to handle the >message of pure love in Mcveigh's misunderstood actions and so they reacted >in anger and a perverse sense of justice... Damn them all! > >...first it was Jesus Christ..now Tim Mcveigh.. who will it be next??? > > > Kind regards, > Jeremy > >PS I was debating whether or not to reply with a simple " you're joking >right?" but in the free wheeling, devil may care spirit of the illumined one >Tim Mcveigh, I have decided to put my creative writing talents to use. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 Dharma wrote: > > Good piece, Jeremy! > > I'm against the death penalty, but I don't understand this glorifying of > the "sacrifice" of the "sacred warrior" who committed the worst mass murder > in our country's history. I don't feel sorry for McVeigh's death, though > I'm sorry he couldn't have lived a better life... found a way to work out > his problems with slaughtering hundreds of people. > Its so American (says a smug Canadian) love, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 - Dharma <deva <> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:17 AM Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > Good piece, Jeremy! > > I'm against the death penalty, but I don't understand this glorifying of > the "sacrifice" of the "sacred warrior" who committed the worst mass murder > in our country's history. I don't feel sorry for McVeigh's death, though > I'm sorry he couldn't have lived a better life... found a way to work out > his problems with slaughtering hundreds of people. Exactly, I don't feel great that Mcveigh was executed but if I'm going to shed tears over someone it will be for the families of those who died in the bombing. Just being able to live and cope with their great loss and hopefully lead a normal life after what had happened requires far more courage than Mcveigh ever had. I am against the death penalty as well. Simply because it doesn't better anything or any condition. When ever one is going to commit an "evil" act one has to weigh the benefit it will bring to the rest of humanity as opposed to the nature of the act itself. For instance the generals under Hitler who tried to assassinate him to prevent corrupt Nazi rule, and the needless killing and genocide of the entire jewish race. If they had succeeded in that act, I could justifiably say(in my own mind anyway) that they did a heroic act. Yes , it would still be murder but it wasn't murder for selfish or petty motives, it was for the betterment of society. The death penalty, to me, has to do more with petty revenge and skewed justice rather than an altruistic act for the betterment of society. The death penalty truly doesn't help anyone overcome anything (I am sure there are those who disagree with me however) and there is mounting evidence to support that the presense of the death penalty paradoxally increases the amount of violent crime .I am unsure as to whether Mcveigh should have been executed, and I truthfully feel somewhat saddened that the death penalty exists in its current incarnation, but the fact that he held absolutely no remorse over what he had done doesn't make me want to shed any tears for him. Take care, Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: > Good piece, Jeremy! > > I'm against the death penalty, but I don't understand this glorifying of > the "sacrifice" of the "sacred warrior" who committed the worst mass murder > in our country's history. I don't feel sorry for McVeigh's death, though > I'm sorry he couldn't have lived a better life... found a way to work out > his problems with slaughtering hundreds of people. > > > >True, I for one cannot understand how anyone would even entertain the notion > >of having such a shining star.. the very paragon of humanitarian virtue, > >Timothy Mcveigh, executed. He was a loving warrior to all who knew him. And > >all the lives he touched, well..the ones he didn't heinously destroy in cold > >blooded fashion, were touched for the better. Nay brother, he deserves no > >internet-based elegy, he deserves a full parade, ceremony upon ceremony, TV > >specials to glorify the great Zen master. Nay, I even say he deserves > >something more..something that my lowly self cannot possibly give, oh woe to > >me, I am but a simple minded thespian. Who am I compared to such greatness, > >such sensitivity, such compassion and strength of mind. I cannot even begin > >to fathom the vengeful bloodlust that the survivors of the bombing feel... > >but lets not talk of them, lets not talk of the multitudes of families he > >has scarred forever. For their suffering is not the issue now. Let us all > >bow our heads in a moment of silence. All prostrate before Sri Guru Tim > >Mcveigh. I, for one, have his picture fastened firmly around my neck. I > >offer it foodstuffs such as cinnamon, frankincense & myrrh so that the > >loving grace of the homicidal maniac may take hold of my spirit. But alas, > >it shall never be.. I have not the tenacity and courage to destroy the lives > >of hundreds of people. And so I stand here... diminished... > >Damn the US government, bah the execution wasn't about justice, it wasn't > >about the wishes of the people. It was about money, power and the > >suppression of the free creative spirit! They were not ready to handle the > >message of pure love in Mcveigh's misunderstood actions and so they reacted > >in anger and a perverse sense of justice... Damn them all! > > > >...first it was Jesus Christ..now Tim Mcveigh.. who will it be next??? > > > > > > Kind regards, > > Jeremy > > > >PS I was debating whether or not to reply with a simple " you're joking > >right?" but in the free wheeling, devil may care spirit of the illumined one > >Tim Mcveigh, I have decided to put my creative writing talents to use. =) Namaste Dharma, And the Buddha would have said????????ONS.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 , "Jeremy Frost" <frost@t...> wrote: > > - > Dharma <deva@L...> > > Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:17 AM > Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? Namaste Jeremy, Unfortunately you are demonstrating the present programming of the US population by the powers that be. The power elite in the US seem to have a deliberate policy of dumbing down the population. More control and manipulation, I suppose.( I lived in the US) You are displaying either your ignorance of spiritual issues or you are buying the crap that CNN, and other power elite/belilian fronts pump out. As a person who was raised as an Irish Catholic, even though I now have left religion behind; I understand that the last rites includes confession and contrition. So Tim went to his death in a calmer happier state than most, and in the end was a better person than the victims and others. The fact that he didn't issue a contrite statement to those full of vengeance, anger or just gawking, indicates he didn't want to communicate with them, verbally, that's all. Tim was a true son of America, and was produced by that society, his action was the US, biting its own bum, that's all, like columbine etc. It is very simply karmic action/reaction. A fish rots from the head and this head stinks pretty badly. The World is sick, the West is sick, but the engine of this sickness is the USA. It is a blight on the planet. Don't buy the crap, think for yourself!! This doesn't mean that I approve of the bombing or don't feel sympathy for the victims, even if it was a case of karmic retribution. 'Those that live by the sword die by it'. Even Tim was trained in the Gulf War to kill women and children, he couldn't turn himself off. He couldn't see why killing hundreds of women and children in a Bagdad shelter, and calling it collateral damage, or massacring a retreating army is fine and dandy. The US created Tim, and he was an instrument of their own karma. He died contrite for his action and at peace. Om Namah Sivaya.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 >And the Buddha would have said????????ONS.......Tony. Perhaps nothing. He was asked a number of questions to which he simply responded that he never promised to tell them _that_, that he came to explain to them the causes of suffering and how to be free of suffering and find Nirvana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 , "Jeremy Frost" <frost@t...> wrote: > > - > Tony O'Clery <aoclery> > > Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:28 AM > Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > > > > , "Jeremy Frost" <frost@t...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > Dharma <deva@L...> > > > > > > Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:17 AM > > > Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > > > > > > Namaste Jeremy, > > > > I assure you that I do think for myself.. it is funny how people whose > opinions do not agree with your own are labelled ignorant of spiritual > issues or conformists. Hypocrisy at its worst I'd say... Mcveigh was not a > product of the U.S, saying that is nothing but a most feeble justification > for a very small minded man who was made into a matryr by execution. It > doesn't take courage to blow up a building, taking the lives of men, women > and children and destroying the lives of countless others. Save your anti > government propaganda for someone who cares. Your words reflect almost > perfectly on extremist groups I have encountered in my life. If you do not > agree with them then you are a goverment puppet... its a cute ploy but > anyone with half a brain can see that they are dispelling some myths while > conveniently weaving their own in an attempt to create mindless obediance... > the very thing, I may add, that you blame our government for. The U.S > government is not perfect that is true, but neither is any government. > Transnational corporations have much more to do with injustice than our > government ever has, though to be fair the U.S gov;t is certainly not > blameless. There are people in our federal government who love and care for > the welfare of the people. You can't pigeonhole an entire infrastructure as > being short on morality, to do so requires making sweeping generalizations > that are often woefully inaccurate. > > kind regards, > jeremy Namaste Jeremy, Thank you Mr Cheney....Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 Tony and Jeremy -- this is a satsangha, please take your verbal brickbats elsewhere. We can disagree without likening each other to variously despicable public figures or making fun of trivial aspects of each other's posting styles. On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:10:13 -0700 "Jeremy Frost" <frost writes: > > > > > Thank you Mr Cheney....Tony > > > And thank you Louis Beam. > > kind regards, > jeremy > > > ps. > you...might....want...to...lessen...your....use..of....elipses...after... ..ev > ery....sentence..... because...in > trying...to...sound....dramatic...it....makes...you...sound...like.....yo u.. > .are...stuttering...or... > perhaps...you...are...trying...to...sound....like..William...Shatner > =) > http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 no thank you jeremy and tony and, of course i would thank myself, but i am not here......^^~~~~~~ - Tony O'Clery <aoclery <> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:45 PM Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > , "Jeremy Frost" <frost@t...> wrote: > > > > - > > Tony O'Clery <aoclery> > > > > Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:28 AM > > Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > > > > > > > , "Jeremy Frost" <frost@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > Dharma <deva@L...> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:17 AM > > > > Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of > Grace? > > > > > > > > > Namaste Jeremy, > > > > > > > > I assure you that I do think for myself.. it is funny how people > whose > > opinions do not agree with your own are labelled ignorant of > spiritual > > issues or conformists. Hypocrisy at its worst I'd say... Mcveigh was > not a > > product of the U.S, saying that is nothing but a most feeble > justification > > for a very small minded man who was made into a matryr by > execution. It > > doesn't take courage to blow up a building, taking the lives of men, > women > > and children and destroying the lives of countless others. Save > your anti > > government propaganda for someone who cares. Your words reflect > almost > > perfectly on extremist groups I have encountered in my life. If you > do not > > agree with them then you are a goverment puppet... its a cute ploy > but > > anyone with half a brain can see that they are dispelling some > myths while > > conveniently weaving their own in an attempt to create mindless > obediance... > > the very thing, I may add, that you blame our government for. The > U.S > > government is not perfect that is true, but neither is any > government. > > Transnational corporations have much more to do with injustice than > our > > government ever has, though to be fair the U.S gov;t is certainly > not > > blameless. There are people in our federal government who love and > care for > > the welfare of the people. You can't pigeonhole an entire > infrastructure as > > being short on morality, to do so requires making sweeping > generalizations > > that are often woefully inaccurate. > > > > kind regards, > > jeremy > > Namaste Jeremy, > > Thank you Mr Cheney....> > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 glorification?.....the levels of irony started from the begiinning.....'noble warrior?'.....who is a noble warrior....was arjuna a noble warrior?......certainly not and certainly is and is not timothy mcveigh......who will laught last.....to quote myself who is and is not a self.....'i hear the beloved laughing".....i love a good jioke and i am the best joke.....maybe yousan can do a better one (and then am i even not a joke?).....!.....oh sorrow in joy joy in sorrow oh....mirabai....i wanna come home!.......^^~~~~~ further up and further in (naw?) white wolfe p.s. get it yet? even white wolfe is not here! what a tragical-comdey reminds me of when i wrote 'a midsummer's night dream".....i am dead,now i am dead, dead, dead....etcl., etc., etc.,....i am here! - andrew macnab <a.macnab <> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:58 AM Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > Dharma wrote: > > > > Good piece, Jeremy! > > > > I'm against the death penalty, but I don't understand this glorifying of > > the "sacrifice" of the "sacred warrior" who committed the worst mass murder > > in our country's history. I don't feel sorry for McVeigh's death, though > > I'm sorry he couldn't have lived a better life... found a way to work out > > his problems with slaughtering hundreds of people. > > > > Its so American (says a smug Canadian) > > love, > andrew > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 - Tony O'Clery <aoclery <> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:28 AM Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > , "Jeremy Frost" <frost@t...> wrote: > > > > - > > Dharma <deva@L...> > > > > Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:17 AM > > Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > > > Namaste Jeremy, I assure you that I do think for myself.. it is funny how people whose opinions do not agree with your own are labelled ignorant of spiritual issues or conformists. Hypocrisy at its worst I'd say... Mcveigh was not a product of the U.S, saying that is nothing but a most feeble justification for a very small minded man who was made into a matryr by execution. It doesn't take courage to blow up a building, taking the lives of men, women and children and destroying the lives of countless others. Save your anti government propaganda for someone who cares. Your words reflect almost perfectly on extremist groups I have encountered in my life. If you do not agree with them then you are a goverment puppet... its a cute ploy but anyone with half a brain can see that they are dispelling some myths while conveniently weaving their own in an attempt to create mindless obediance... the very thing, I may add, that you blame our government for. The U.S government is not perfect that is true, but neither is any government. Transnational corporations have much more to do with injustice than our government ever has, though to be fair the U.S gov;t is certainly not blameless. There are people in our federal government who love and care for the welfare of the people. You can't pigeonhole an entire infrastructure as being short on morality, to do so requires making sweeping generalizations that are often woefully inaccurate. kind regards, jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 > > Thank you Mr Cheney....Tony And thank you Louis Beam. kind regards, jeremy ps. you...might....want...to...lessen...your....use..of....elipses...after....ev ery....sentence..... because...in trying...to...sound....dramatic...it....makes...you...sound...like.....you.. ..are...stuttering...or... perhaps...you...are...trying...to...sound....like..William...Shatner =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 - White Wolfe <valemar <> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:25 PM Re: Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > no thank you jeremy and tony and, of course i would thank myself, but i am > not here......^^~~~~~~ you're welcome. my poking light hearted fun of Tony's unique posting style, after being called spiritually ignorant and likened to a political figure, was admittedly somewhat puerile. In the end , for the sake of sparing the list further mud slinging I shall call a truce and promise to play nice from now on. Bruce Morgen was right, this list is no place for that kind of thing. I make a public apology to Tony. *puts frog back in his pocket & rides his big wheel home* kind regards, Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 All alone all one I love you "did you read my poem"...."makes me deeply ashamed to be alive alight and alove." you just one to just you duality hold on i who hold to one rest in your courage i who am afraid of you rest in peace noble warrior a noble warrior rests in peace well timothy well rest is in the beloved all manner of things are well in the beloved is rest glorification?.....the levels of irony will start at the begiiinning..... so we created a murderer and you allowed us to murder him your crime was heinous and you knew it and so do we you marched into death unflinchingly courageous with wide open eyes watching us who remain sitting vainly disputing and wondering about truth and what lies beyond you are ishmael and judas darkness within dark liteness within lite your non-duality comes to us as just one one who can handle the truth who can handle the lie moneylove I am your time! You are my place. Perfect love. '....all manner of things are well...." ya man!... in money and power we trust.... bullshit ... in god we trust.... (same thing) i am dead now I am here ".....i love a good joke noble warrior?' ......who is a noble warrior .....was arjuna a noble warrior?...... certainly and certainly is and is timothy mcveigh .......who will laught last.... ..... who will laugh now ... ..to quote myself who is not a self. ...mirabai....i wanna come home!. what a tragical-comdey reminds me of when i wrote 'a midsummer's night dream .....'i hear the beloved laughing maybe yousan can do a better one further up and further in (naw?) (and then am i even not a joke?).....!..... oh sorrow in joy joy in sorrow oh....mirabai....i wanna come home!.....^^~~~~~ get it yet? white wolfe p.s. even white wolfe is not here! ".....i am dead,dead, dead....etcl., etc., etc.,....i am here! now i am dead, this post goes against my nature but who am I anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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