Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 thomasmerton "White Wolfe" valemar Mailing-List: list thomasmerton; contact thomasmerton-owner Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:01:47 -0700 Re: [thomasmerton] Who is to blame? that we discuiss this and do not blindly be passers-by....is this not an indication that the colliseum is a thing of the past....that we are here.....christians....buddhists....advaitists......taoists....shamanists... ..each faith filled with its own schisms......all loving the beloved in its multiplicity......this is higher love.....^^~~~~~ - ken phelan <kenphelan <thomasmerton> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:48 PM Re: [thomasmerton] Who is to blame? > sadly we do inch closer daily to a colliseum mentality........... sraddha54 > thomasmerton > thomasmerton > [thomasmerton] Who is to blame? > Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:01:34 -0000 > > Dear Friends, > > We all share the shame in this. No one is excluded. > > "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee." > > Every negative thought, every selfish action, every single word not > spoken in love and kindness, adds to the burden of the world and its > woes. Selflessness, unconditional love, one for another, must be not > just what we believe, not just what we do, but who we are. We must > become Love. > > With Love, > Mazie > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > Your use of is subject to > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton Your use of is subject to thomasmerton "White Wolfe" valemar Mailing-List: list thomasmerton; contact thomasmerton-owner Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:57:28 -0700 Re: [thomasmerton] Re: Tim Haiku learn from the advaitists....the soul is always ready....it is man that decides that he is not ready to die not the beloved...^^~~~~~ - <Lambo1938 <thomasmerton> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:46 PM [thomasmerton] Re: Tim Haiku > thomasmerton, sraddha54@h... wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > I am still reeling at a supreme injustice done to my brother > > And yet, Mc Veigh had the time to prepare his soul...he knew the day, > the hour. > His victims did not....is this not the greatest injustice? > > > > > NOW is the acceptable time. > Barbara Mary > > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > Your use of is subject to > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton Your use of is subject to thomasmerton "White Wolfe" valemar Mailing-List: list thomasmerton; contact thomasmerton-owner Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:56:02 -0700 Re: [thomasmerton] Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? if i am quote my own poem to you kensan....your crime was heinous and you knew it and so do we....i will let you decide how you want to interpret the intentional irony in the usage of 'your'.....^^~~~~~ - ken phelan <kenphelan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> <thomasmerton> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:45 PM Re: [thomasmerton] Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace? > that i too hope to meet this poor soul in joyous eternity does not make him > a myrtyr.> > that he died even unjustly, does not make his mass murder any less horrible.> > that he was unrepentant does not prove his innocence.> > he, like me, is in need of mercy. and mercy presumes guilt. but that is a > long way from a fraternal embrace.> > come come, my friend, at least condemn his act.> > love,> ken> > > > > "White Wolfe" <valemar (AT) mlode (DOT) com>> thomasmerton> <>, <NondualitySalon >, > <thomasmerton>, <PerceptionsOfLife>> [thomasmerton] Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of > Grace?> Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:05:01 -0700> > ya man!...did you read my poem....makes me deeply ashamed to be an> american....in god we trust....bullshit....in money and power (same thing)> we trust....dubya spent more money that anyone ever has to seize power and> even then under a cloud.....TMcV was not 'murdered' he was 'executed'....now> i understand the great arising in me at his death.....a martyr to higher> love....he died a zen catholic as i hope to do.....puzzles me that all you> 'wise' ones on this list i chosen to ignore this monumental sacrifice.....i> re-post my elegy....^^~~~~~> > in memorian of one sacred warrior> (for timothy mcveigh)> > '....all manner of things are well...."> -Dame Julien of Norwich> > so we created a murderer and you allowed us to murder him> > your crime was heinous and you knew it and so do we> > you marched into death unflinchingly courageous> > with wide open eyes watching us who remain> > sitting vainly disputing and wondering> > about turth and what lies beyond> > you are ishmael and judas> > darkness within dark> > liteness within lite> > your non-duality> > comes to us> > as just> > one> > a noble warrior rests in peace> > rest in peace noble warrior> > i who am afraid of you> > rest in your courage> > i who hold to one> > duality hold on> > to just you> > just one> > you> > in the beloved is rest well timothy well rest is in the beloved> > all manner of things are well> > mark christopher valentine> (june 11, 2001)> > > ----- Original Message -----> Tony O'Clery <aoclery >> To: <>> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:53 AM> Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace?> > > > Namaste All,> >> > It is interesting that Tim McVeigh had the last rites of the Roman> > Catholic Church,( Catholicism is so Buddhistic). So in order for that> > to happen he had to be contrite etc etc. As a fellow 'Irish Catholic',> > or of that background, it says a lot about McVeigh's real state of> > mind, to me. First of all he would believe he had been forgiven and> > that the wouldn't go to 'Hell', and secondly he would have been in a> > state of Grace, pure except for the retribution. This Sacrament of> > Extreme Unction can be administered before or shortly after death,> > (very Bardo). So Tim believes he is going to purgatory for a while,> > which all in all means reincarnation, or resurrection as it was called> > in the early church.> >> > So the state of Tim's mind would have been in a better place than the> > bitter, grieving, angry fundamentalists shouting about him going to> > Hell etc etc. I feel sorry for them for they have no Extreme Unction> > to massage their minds and to their same karma they go, as will no> > doubt Dubya with his 153 murders.> >> > So it seems that ritualistic religion is very important and useful to> > those whose minds and awareness are at a fundamentalist stage.> >> > Fundamentalism of the Protestant type seems to have thrown out all the> > inherited rituals that helped the mind of the ordinary person. It has> > done the survivors of the Murrah Building bombing no favours and left> > them in a bad vengeful place.> >> > OM Namah Sivaya......Tony.> >> >> > /join> >> > > >> > > >> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.> >> >> >> > Your use of Groups is subject to > >> >> > > _______________> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com> > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > Your use of is subject to > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton thomasmerton "White Wolfe" valemar Mailing-List: list thomasmerton; contact thomasmerton-owner Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:52:34 -0700 Re: [thomasmerton] Who is to blame? beloved mazie....thank you for sharing in this grief! - <sraddha54 <thomasmerton> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:01 PM [thomasmerton] Who is to blame? > Dear Friends, > > We all share the shame in this. No one is excluded. > > "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee." > > Every negative thought, every selfish action, every single word not > spoken in love and kindness, adds to the burden of the world and its > woes. Selflessness, unconditional love, one for another, must be not > just what we believe, not just what we do, but who we are. We must > become Love. > > With Love, > Mazie > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > Your use of is subject to > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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