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Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:01:47 -0700

Re: [thomasmerton] Who is to blame?

that we discuiss this and do not blindly be passers-by....is this not an

indication that the colliseum is a thing of the past....that we are

here.....christians....buddhists....advaitists......taoists....shamanists...

..each faith filled with its own schisms......all loving the beloved in its

multiplicity......this is higher love.....^^~~~~~

 

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ken phelan <kenphelan

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Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:48 PM

Re: [thomasmerton] Who is to blame?

 

> sadly we do inch closer daily to a colliseum mentality...........

sraddha54

> thomasmerton

> thomasmerton

> [thomasmerton] Who is to blame?

> Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:01:34 -0000

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> We all share the shame in this. No one is excluded.

>

> "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

>

> Every negative thought, every selfish action, every single word not

> spoken in love and kindness, adds to the burden of the world and its

> woes. Selflessness, unconditional love, one for another, must be not

> just what we believe, not just what we do, but who we are. We must

> become Love.

>

> With Love,

> Mazie

>

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thomasmerton

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Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:57:28 -0700

Re: [thomasmerton] Re: Tim Haiku

learn from the advaitists....the soul is always ready....it is man that

decides that he is not ready to die not the beloved...^^~~~~~

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Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:46 PM

[thomasmerton] Re: Tim Haiku

 

> thomasmerton, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I am still reeling at a supreme injustice done to my brother

>

> And yet, Mc Veigh had the time to prepare his soul...he knew the day,

> the hour.

> His victims did not....is this not the greatest injustice?

>

>

>

>

> NOW is the acceptable time.

> Barbara Mary

>

>

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thomasmerton

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Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:56:02 -0700

Re: [thomasmerton] Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace?

if i am quote my own poem to you kensan....your crime was heinous and

you knew it and so do we....i will let you decide how you want to

interpret the intentional irony in the usage of 'your'.....^^~~~~~

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ken phelan <kenphelan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

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Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:45 PM

Re: [thomasmerton] Re: Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace?

> that i too hope to meet this poor soul in joyous eternity does not

make him > a myrtyr.> > that he died even unjustly, does not make his

mass murder any less horrible.> > that he was unrepentant does not

prove his innocence.> > he, like me, is in need of mercy. and mercy

presumes guilt. but that is a > long way from a fraternal embrace.> >

come come, my friend, at least condemn his act.> > love,> ken> > > > >

"White Wolfe" <valemar (AT) mlode (DOT) com>>

thomasmerton> <>,

<NondualitySalon >, > <thomasmerton>,

<PerceptionsOfLife>> [thomasmerton] Re:

Poor Wee Tim died in a state of > Grace?> Tue,

12 Jun 2001 12:05:01 -0700> > ya man!...did you read my poem....makes

me deeply ashamed to be an> american....in god we

trust....bullshit....in money and power (same thing)> we

trust....dubya spent more money that anyone ever has to seize power

and> even then under a cloud.....TMcV was not 'murdered' he was

'executed'....now> i understand the great arising in me at his

death.....a martyr to higher> love....he died a zen catholic as i

hope to do.....puzzles me that all you> 'wise' ones on this list i

chosen to ignore this monumental sacrifice.....i> re-post my

elegy....^^~~~~~> > in memorian of one sacred warrior> (for timothy

mcveigh)> > '....all manner of things are well....">

-Dame Julien of Norwich> > so we created a murderer and

you allowed us to murder him> > your crime was heinous and you knew

it and so do we> > you marched into death unflinchingly courageous> >

with wide open eyes watching us who remain> > sitting vainly disputing

and wondering> > about turth and what lies beyond> > you are ishmael

and judas> > darkness within dark> > liteness within lite> > your

non-duality> > comes to us> > as just> > one> > a noble warrior rests

in peace> > rest in peace noble warrior> > i who am afraid of you> >

rest in your courage> > i who hold to one> > duality hold on> > to

just you> > just one> > you> > in the beloved is rest well timothy

well rest is in the beloved> > all manner of things are well> > mark

christopher valentine> (june 11, 2001)> > > ----- Original Message

-----> Tony O'Clery <aoclery >> To:

<>> Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:53

AM> Poor Wee Tim died in a state of Grace?>

> > > Namaste All,> >> > It is interesting that Tim McVeigh had the

last rites of the Roman> > Catholic Church,( Catholicism is so

Buddhistic). So in order for that> > to happen he had to be contrite

etc etc. As a fellow 'Irish Catholic',> > or of that background, it

says a lot about McVeigh's real state of> > mind, to me. First of

all he would believe he had been forgiven and> > that the wouldn't

go to 'Hell', and secondly he would have been in a> > state of

Grace, pure except for the retribution. This Sacrament of> > Extreme

Unction can be administered before or shortly after death,> > (very

Bardo). So Tim believes he is going to purgatory for a while,> >

which all in all means reincarnation, or resurrection as it was

called> > in the early church.> >> > So the state of Tim's mind

would have been in a better place than the> > bitter, grieving,

angry fundamentalists shouting about him going to> > Hell etc etc. I

feel sorry for them for they have no Extreme Unction> > to massage

their minds and to their same karma they go, as will no> > doubt

Dubya with his 153 murders.> >> > So it seems that ritualistic

religion is very important and useful to> > those whose minds and

awareness are at a fundamentalist stage.> >> > Fundamentalism of

the Protestant type seems to have thrown out all the> > inherited

rituals that helped the mind of the ordinary person. It has> > done

the survivors of the Murrah Building bombing no favours and left> >

them in a bad vengeful place.> >> > OM Namah Sivaya......Tony.> >>

>> > /join> >> >

> >> >

> >> > All paths go somewhere. No path

goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,> perceptions, and indeed all

experiences arise from and exist in and subside> back into the Space

of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than> the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.>

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously> arising from within into It Self.

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Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:52:34 -0700

Re: [thomasmerton] Who is to blame?

beloved mazie....thank you for sharing in this grief!

 

 

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<sraddha54

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Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:01 PM

[thomasmerton] Who is to blame?

 

> Dear Friends,

>

> We all share the shame in this. No one is excluded.

>

> "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

>

> Every negative thought, every selfish action, every single word not

> spoken in love and kindness, adds to the burden of the world and its

> woes. Selflessness, unconditional love, one for another, must be not

> just what we believe, not just what we do, but who we are. We must

> become Love.

>

> With Love,

> Mazie

>

>

> "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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>

 

 

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