reincarnation - 1

June 14, 2001

Hi Vicki and all,

>Q:

> Is the Buddhist view, that there is no continuous

> entity answering to the ideas of the individual soul,

> correct or not? Is this consistent with the Hindu

> notion of a reincarnating ego? Is the soul a

> continuous entity which reincarnates again and again,

>

> according to the Hindu doctrine, or is it a mere mass

>

> of mental tendencies- samskaras?

>

>Ramana :

> The real Self is continuous and unaffected. The

> reincarnating ego belongs to the lower plane, namely,

> thought. It is transcended by Self-realisation.

>

> Reincarnations are due to a spurious offshoot.

These words "spurious offshoot" are not clear to me. Does anyone know what

the original words were or in what other way they have been translated?

Thanks,

Dharma

> Therefore they are denied by the Buddhists. The

> present state of ignorance is due to the

> identification of consciousness [chit] with the

> insentient [jada] body.

>

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June 14, 2001

The insentient body with which "consciousness"

identifies, is a thought construct.

Thus, thoughts are insentient.

Even more subtle than identification with

"the body" is the identification with thought

(which constructs the image 'body').

As thought is insentient, the entire

structure is false, which is

erected by thought in service

of the false identification of

"consciousness"

with thought. (Structure = time, religion,

science, art, history, human life, etc.)

With no identification with thought, any thought

may come or go, but no thought "binds."

There is nowhere to go or stay, as any place

to go or stay is thought-based.

Namaste,

Dan

Q:

Is the Buddhist view, that there is no continuous

entity answering to the ideas of the individual soul,

correct or not? Is this consistent with the Hindu

notion of a reincarnating ego? Is the soul a

continuous entity which reincarnates again and again,

according to the Hindu doctrine, or is it a mere mass

of mental tendencies- samskaras?

Ramana :

The real Self is continuous and unaffected. The

reincarnating ego belongs to the lower plane, namely,

thought. It is transcended by Self-realisation.

Reincarnations are due to a spurious offshoot.

Therefore they are denied by the Buddhists. The

present state of ignorance is due to the

identification of consciousness [chit] with the

insentient [jada] body.

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nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to

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June 14, 2001

Yes, that's great Dan. There are a few people are two other lists

currently grappling with this.

In Theravada- the focus for understanding is on the point of contact

of 'I' and sight, sound etc.The twelve links,Dependent Origination.

Very little reference to anything prior to this. And not much public

teaching on recognition of the nature of mind, although I have found

a few references (pure mind) with the practices. Understanding

emptiness has to include understanding, insight into, Dependent

Origination and visa versa.

In Dzogchen, the twelve links (as an explanation of the causes of cyclic life) starts with:

"The beginningless nature of mind is empty, clear and unobstructed,

But its nature is not recognized"

Then follows the arising, or stirring of mental creations and the

production of dualistic appearances. Similar in expression as Thera.

So -this'no-where to go or to stay' would you also express as the

'beginningless nature of mind'? At least as a teaching device?

In Buddhist practice, the point of recognition of this is important.

Love,

Joyce

The insentient body with which "consciousness"

identifies, is a thought construct.

Thus, thoughts are insentient.

Even more subtle than identification with

"the body" is the identification with thought

(which constructs the image 'body').

As thought is insentient, the entire

structure is false, which is

erected by thought in service

of the false identification of "consciousness"

with thought. (Structure = time, religion,

science, art, history, human life, etc.)

With no identification with thought, any thought

may come or go, but no thought "binds."

There is nowhere to go or stay, as any place

to go or stay is thought-based.

Namaste,

Dan

Q:

Is the Buddhist view, that there is no continuous

entity answering to the ideas of the individual soul,

correct or not? Is this consistent with the Hindu

notion of a reincarnating ego? Is the soul a

continuous entity which reincarnates again and again,

according to the Hindu doctrine, or is it a mere mass

of mental tendencies- samskaras?

Ramana :

The real Self is continuous and unaffected. The

reincarnating ego belongs to the lower plane, namely,

thought. It is transcended by Self-realisation.

Reincarnations are due to a spurious offshoot.

Therefore they are denied by the Buddhists. The

present state of ignorance is due to the

identification of consciousness [chit] with the

insentient [jada] body.

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perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

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