Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 I've just returned home, after spending two days in a Fjord up here. I've been planting some flowers on my broters grave (he died in 1982), and helping my uncle with some heavy physical work he couldn't perform himself due to asthma. However, I promised to give a more precise explanation of what I meant in my Vidar-posting. In the Fjord were I was - surrounded with these amazing silence from our *tic-tac culture*, I wrote down a few thoughts which I wanted to share. In my posting about Vidar, I began with the following: Veit ek, at ek hekk I remember that I hang (up-side down) vindgameiði á in the wind-whizzled three nætr allar níu, in nine nights whole, geiri undaðr wounded (nailed) by spears, ok gefinn Óðni, sacrified to Odin, sjalfur sjalfum mér, my self sacrified to My Self, á þeim meiði above me in the Three, er manngi veit from where no man knows hvers af rótum renn. where it roots sprang Við hleifi mik sældu No one gave me bread, né við hornigi, neither something to drink, nýsta ek niðr, I gazed down in the abyss, nam ek upp rúnar, I picked up runes, æpandi nam, singing I picked them, fell ek aftr þaðan. down again I fell Fimbulljóð níu Nine magical songs I received, nam ek af inum frægja syni from the wise son of Bölþorns, Bestlu föður, Bolthorn, the father of Bestlan, ok ek drykk of gat and I drank as a gift, ins dýra mjaðar, from the dear drink ausin Óðreri. baled up by the Odrers Þá nam ek frævask Then I got an refreshment, ok fróðr vera and wisdome came, ok vaxa ok vel hafask, and I grew and felt well, orð mér af orði words were from words born, orðs leitaði, from words procreated, verk mér af verki deeds were from deeds born, verks leitaði. from deeds procreated Such does the ancient, but unnamed norse clairvoyant female called "Volven", the Sibyla, explain in ancient norse the origination of the germanic rune alphabet. +++ First of all, I accept the premise that not only the physical society and culture has changed during the centuries. The consciousness has gone through a transformation. The ancient ones experienced our world in another state of consciousness. They were actually BORN clairvoyant in a sense. Their assemblage point of consciousness was another place than now; therefore, we should be very carefull when interpreting their view of the world with our present standards, because this can easily lead to spiritual pride. Then came a time when more and more people lost these natural ability. In southern Europe, these darkening reached it's climax about 300 AD, but up here in Norway, Sweden and Iceland, the natural clairvoyance was still very alive as a part of the culture. "Volven" (the Sibyl) was higly respected. How was the ancient norse clairvoyance? It was different than in India, in Persia, in Palestina, in Greece etc. It was different from any other culture. I accept as a premise that even the clairvoyance was different in different cultures and time periods; no direct comparition is neither truly correct nor possible. In ancient Greece, they made the myth about Janus - the god with two faces, each pointing in each direction. A similar figure is found here in the North, and I've attached a picture of it. The ancient Norse population lived in two worlds. They experienced the spiritual secrets of nature, of the nature spirits, in another dimension, separated from the awake state we experience today. And the awake state - which observes only the outer, material expressions of things, was considered "blind". The God who symbolized these clairvoyance was called "Balder". Many researchers have found similarities bewteen "Balder" and "Jesus", and suggested that the myth about "Balder" came from Christianity. But it didn't. Balder was the ancient clairvoyance - an imperfect word because it means much more than just to "see" in another dimenson. "Balder" had a brother (the awake state) who was BLIND - "Hod" was his name. And the ancient ones up here pendulated between these two states of consciousness. The God who killed Balder was called "Loke". Loke is the same entity as Christians knows as Lucifer. He manipulated the blind brother "Hod" to kill "Balder" with a misteltoe - a parasite like Loke himself. And the God Odin could not prevent Lucifers destruction of the ancient clairvyance, these incident which is very similar in mythical form with the Christian myth about the death of Christ. And why was Odin helpless? Loke - Lucifer, gives the answer in one of the songs of "Volven": Do you remember, Odin, that we, in the beginning of time, once mixed blood with each others? To drink from the cup (The Grale) you rejected, before we both were invited! After "Ragnarok" - The Latter Days, Balder and Hod will be reborn as one person, that is, a new state of consciousness will unite the two altering assemblage points of consciousness. Third, I accept Odin and Thor as real spiritual beeings, not symbols or personifications. Odin was at the stage which Christian mystics denotes as "Archangels". But because he has sacrificed his potensial evolution in order to give humans the language, he became an "abnormal archangel". He became what Christians in their angel hierarchies calls a "dynamis". This sacrifice must not be confuced with the concept of the *fallen* angels. If I am a teacher in a school, I sacrifice my further possible development for the sake of the pupils. So, Odin sacrificed himself in the sake *of the least of these*. The ancient seers actually SAW Odin as a spiritual entity in "the wind of the world", in the mighty storms and winds; they SAW Thor in the Thunder and the fire-element. Therefore, they were able to live with the seasons, as I pointed out in the 4 images following the 4 seasons - Autumn beeing the Archangel Michael and the Dragon. They had a closer touch with Nature - and its spiritual beeings, than present humans. Odin gave the language through a 9 nights long initiation where he hanged upside-down wounded by spears. Through a death experience, he went through the 9 stages which Christians denoted as the 9 angel hierarcies. Why the "wind-whizzled three"? In the dawn of time, Odin gave the breath (Prana) to the first humans, Ask and Embla, made them into breathing beeings with a soul. In order to be able to speak, to have these talent, the stream of air must be formed so it can carry words. These "three" are found in our breast - the lungs and the bronchus, and have roots everywhere we breaths, roots in the boundless "world-wind". Sacrificed to him self? For Odin, a wide-spanning beeing, these entrance into limited human beeings, feels painfull - as wounds by spears. The mighty speech of the gods in the whizzle of the storms and the winds, in the thunder and rain, is beeing changed to human words. Gazing into the abyss, he search for runes. Another place it's said that "the runes exist as a silenced language in every beeing, in everything glittering and flaming, in everything waving and surging in the sea, in everything which breaks and groans, lives and tempts." In my translation, I wrote "singing I picked them (the runes)". It should be crying! Crying, like in lamentation! But in order to make the runes understandable to humans, making them a human experience, he must drink from the drink of wisdom. These drink, "baled up by the Odrers", from the "well of Mime", is the drink of wisdom. It is said that the "well of Mime" mirrored everything which have happened through all eternity. These corresponds to the socalled "Akashic chronicle", which modern occultists calls it. The common recollection of a people, its complete past is implanted in the mother tongue. The shamanistic power of Odin lies in his power of the Runes, of SOUND. Today, words have to a large degree lost their power. They are not any more true mirrors of what they describe, except some exceptions: "slaps" in Norwegian is the mixture of snow and water; "blixt" in swedish gives a more direct vision of the lighting. We have lost the living factor in the language, in our throath chakra. Among the south germanic tribes, "Odin" was known ad "Wodan", among the ancient frankish germanic tribes as "Uuodan". And in these world, doesn't we sense the sound of the wind? Odin gives 2 rune songs each night; each rune song containing 8 sounds. As the attached picture shows, the "elder futhark" contains only 24 (3x8) because the rest is lost. However, 9x8 = 72, as in the 72,000 Nadis in the body, and given in pairs - Yin and Yang, it becomes 144 runes. All these knowledge is compressed in 27 verses only in a manuscript discovered on Iceland in 1643, called "Codex Regius". The Norse mythology divided the world into three: "Aasgard" (where the gods lived), "Midgard" (human world) and "Utgard". The last word means "in the middle of nowhere", far away from our word. There lives a "brother" of Loke (Lucifer), called "Utgards-Loke". With a sense of humor, we could call him "the in the middle of nowhere Lucifer". While Lucifer is Love fallen, his "brother" lives "out there" - in the word of the 5 senses! He represents materialism - the dark entity Ahriman, who made attempts to entrap us in materialism. So, we have these two poles to avoid by balancing them: Lucifer escaping into experiences in other dimensions without responsibility for the *least of these* - the antithese of the bodhisattva-concept, as one of those dark brothers who excults "I am I", and the "Out-there Loke" with his pure ego-centric cynicism and materialism which denies everything spiritual. By balancing these poles, we makes them harmless. Any balance of these forces is extreme forcefull, any deviation from these balance is ipso facto black magic. Odin can not kill the "Fenris Wolf", the representant of Lies and "Out-there Lucifer". Odin gave the language. But because it has been misused by lies and boasting, he is helpless against these wolf. Only a future god - Vidar, "the silent one", who has collected enough energy not deriving from our *tic-tac culture*, can destroy the illusion, the lie - and the last and seventh veil of Isis. 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 this is the most numinous, mythopoeic stuff i have read in about twenty years.....takes me back to the first time i read J.R.R. Tolkien and recognized my feminine soul as my true self in the mirrormere of Galadriel and the aspect of Arwen Evenstar....don't know why rationally and don't need to....this is the true goods to me....the spiritual impact/response is the same.....with this difference....after seeking she who i lost for ages upon ages i have found her once again and will soon rest in the arms of my beloved and this time forever......^^~~~~~~ white wolfwe > > In my posting about Vidar, I began with the following: > > Veit ek, at ek hekk I remember that I hang (up-side down) > vindgameiði á in the wind-whizzled three > nætr allar níu, in nine nights whole, > geiri undaðr wounded (nailed) by spears, > ok gefinn Óðni, sacrified to Odin, > sjalfur sjalfum mér, my self sacrified to My Self, > á þeim meiði above me in the Three, > er manngi veit from where no man knows > hvers af rótum renn. where it roots sprang > > Við hleifi mik sældu No one gave me bread, > né við hornigi, neither something to drink, > nýsta ek niðr, I gazed down in the abyss, > nam ek upp rúnar, I picked up runes, > æpandi nam, singing I picked them, > fell ek aftr þaðan. down again I fell > > Fimbulljóð níu Nine magical songs I received, > nam ek af inum frægja syni from the wise son of > Bölþorns, Bestlu föður, Bolthorn, the father of Bestlan, > ok ek drykk of gat and I drank as a gift, > ins dýra mjaðar, from the dear drink > ausin Óðreri. baled up by the Odrers > > Þá nam ek frævask Then I got an refreshment, > ok fróðr vera and wisdome came, > ok vaxa ok vel hafask, and I grew and felt well, > orð mér af orði words were from words born, > orðs leitaði, from words procreated, > verk mér af verki deeds were from deeds born, > verks leitaði. from deeds procreated > > > Such does the ancient, but unnamed norse clairvoyant female called "Volven", > the Sibyla, explain in ancient norse the origination of the germanic rune > alphabet. > > +++ > > First of all, I accept the premise that not only the physical society and > culture has changed during the centuries. The consciousness has gone through > a transformation. The ancient ones experienced our world in another state of > consciousness. They were actually BORN clairvoyant in a sense. Their > assemblage point of consciousness was another place than now; therefore, we > should be very carefull when interpreting their view of the world with our > present standards, because this can easily lead to spiritual pride. > > Then came a time when more and more people lost these natural ability. In > southern Europe, these darkening reached it's climax about 300 AD, but up > here in Norway, Sweden and Iceland, the natural clairvoyance was still very > alive as a part of the culture. "Volven" (the Sibyl) was higly respected. > > How was the ancient norse clairvoyance? It was different than in India, in > Persia, in Palestina, in Greece etc. It was different from any other > culture. I accept as a premise that even the clairvoyance was different in > different cultures and time periods; no direct comparition is neither truly > correct nor possible. > > In ancient Greece, they made the myth about Janus - the god with two faces, > each pointing in each direction. A similar figure is found here in the > North, and I've attached a picture of it. The ancient Norse population lived > in two worlds. They experienced the spiritual secrets of nature, of the > nature spirits, in another dimension, separated from the awake state we > experience today. And the awake state - which observes only the outer, > material expressions of things, was considered "blind". > > The God who symbolized these clairvoyance was called "Balder". Many > researchers have found similarities bewteen "Balder" and "Jesus", and > suggested that the myth about "Balder" came from Christianity. But it > didn't. Balder was the ancient clairvoyance - an imperfect word because it > means much more than just to "see" in another dimenson. "Balder" had a > brother (the awake state) who was BLIND - "Hod" was his name. And the > ancient ones up here pendulated between these two states of consciousness. > > The God who killed Balder was called "Loke". Loke is the same entity as > Christians knows as Lucifer. He manipulated the blind brother "Hod" to kill > "Balder" with a misteltoe - a parasite like Loke himself. > > And the God Odin could not prevent Lucifers destruction of the ancient > clairvyance, these incident which is very similar in mythical form with the > Christian myth about the death of Christ. > > And why was Odin helpless? Loke - Lucifer, gives the answer in one of the > songs of "Volven": > > Do you remember, Odin, > that we, in the beginning of time, > once mixed blood with each others? > To drink from the cup (The Grale) you rejected, > before we both were invited! > > After "Ragnarok" - The Latter Days, Balder and Hod will be reborn as one > person, that is, a new state of consciousness will unite the two altering > assemblage points of consciousness. > > Third, I accept Odin and Thor as real spiritual beeings, not symbols or > personifications. Odin was at the stage which Christian mystics denotes as > "Archangels". But because he has sacrificed his potensial evolution in order > to give humans the language, he became an "abnormal archangel". He became > what Christians in their angel hierarchies calls a "dynamis". This sacrifice > must not be confuced with the concept of the *fallen* angels. If I am a > teacher in a school, I sacrifice my further possible development for the > sake of the pupils. So, Odin sacrificed himself in the sake *of the least of > these*. > > The ancient seers actually SAW Odin as a spiritual entity in "the wind of > the world", in the mighty storms and winds; they SAW Thor in the Thunder and > the fire-element. Therefore, they were able to live with the seasons, as I > pointed out in the 4 images following the 4 seasons - Autumn beeing the > Archangel Michael and the Dragon. They had a closer touch with Nature - and > its spiritual beeings, than present humans. > > Odin gave the language through a 9 nights long initiation where he hanged > upside-down wounded by spears. Through a death experience, he went through > the 9 stages which Christians denoted as the 9 angel hierarcies. > > Why the "wind-whizzled three"? In the dawn of time, Odin gave the breath > (Prana) to the first humans, Ask and Embla, made them into breathing beeings > with a soul. In order to be able to speak, to have these talent, the stream > of air must be formed so it can carry words. These "three" are found in our > breast - the lungs and the bronchus, and have roots everywhere we breaths, > roots in the boundless "world-wind". > > Sacrificed to him self? For Odin, a wide-spanning beeing, these entrance > into limited human beeings, feels painfull - as wounds by spears. The mighty > speech of the gods in the whizzle of the storms and the winds, in the > thunder and rain, is beeing changed to human words. > > Gazing into the abyss, he search for runes. Another place it's said that > "the runes exist as a silenced language in every beeing, in everything > glittering and flaming, in everything waving and surging in the sea, in > everything which breaks and groans, lives and tempts." In my translation, I > wrote "singing I picked them (the runes)". It should be crying! Crying, like > in lamentation! > > But in order to make the runes understandable to humans, making them a human > experience, he must drink from the drink of wisdom. These drink, "baled up > by the Odrers", from the "well of Mime", is the drink of wisdom. It is said > that the "well of Mime" mirrored everything which have happened through all > eternity. These corresponds to the socalled "Akashic chronicle", which > modern occultists calls it. The common recollection of a people, its > complete past is implanted in the mother tongue. > > The shamanistic power of Odin lies in his power of the Runes, of SOUND. > Today, words have to a large degree lost their power. They are not any more > true mirrors of what they describe, except some exceptions: "slaps" in > Norwegian is the mixture of snow and water; "blixt" in swedish gives a more > direct vision of the lighting. We have lost the living factor in the > language, in our throath chakra. Among the south germanic tribes, "Odin" was > known ad "Wodan", among the ancient frankish germanic tribes as "Uuodan". > And in these world, doesn't we sense the sound of the wind? > > Odin gives 2 rune songs each night; each rune song containing 8 sounds. As > the attached picture shows, the "elder futhark" contains only 24 (3x8) > because the rest is lost. However, 9x8 = 72, as in the 72,000 Nadis in the > body, and given in pairs - Yin and Yang, it becomes 144 runes. > > All these knowledge is compressed in 27 verses only in a manuscript > discovered on Iceland in 1643, called "Codex Regius". > > The Norse mythology divided the world into three: "Aasgard" (where the gods > lived), "Midgard" (human world) and "Utgard". The last word means "in the > middle of nowhere", far away from our word. There lives a "brother" of Loke > (Lucifer), called "Utgards-Loke". With a sense of humor, we could call him > "the in the middle of nowhere Lucifer". > > While Lucifer is Love fallen, his "brother" lives "out there" - in the word > of the 5 senses! He represents materialism - the dark entity Ahriman, who > made attempts to entrap us in materialism. > > So, we have these two poles to avoid by balancing them: Lucifer escaping > into experiences in other dimensions without responsibility for the *least > of these* - the antithese of the bodhisattva-concept, as one of those dark > brothers who excults "I am I", and the "Out-there Loke" with his pure > ego-centric cynicism and materialism which denies everything spiritual. > > By balancing these poles, we makes them harmless. Any balance of these > forces is extreme forcefull, any deviation from these balance is ipso facto > black magic. > > Odin can not kill the "Fenris Wolf", the representant of Lies and "Out-there > Lucifer". Odin gave the language. But because it has been misused by lies > and boasting, he is helpless against these wolf. Only a future god - Vidar, > "the silent one", who has collected enough energy not deriving from our > *tic-tac culture*, can destroy the illusion, the lie - and the last and > seventh veil of Isis. > > San Divas > Blessings from Norway > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. 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