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, "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote:

>> "For example, my mother has been a cancer care nurse for 25 years,

>> and has described many cases where a patient, told by a

>> doctor "there's nothing more we can do for you," will quietly lay

>> down and "pass on" a few hours or even minutes afterwards."

>

> The converse it true: Those who did not believe what the doctor

> said, have lived many years after the doctor said they would.

 

Yes, that's the case :-). My mother mentioned some cases like that

also. The will to live (desire to be), to continue living (as a

physical body) is a most powerful desire, and lies at the very root

of life itself. It could be derived from the scriptures, that the

very desire for a body is the cause of reincarnation or continued

rebirths.

 

Peace,

 

Omkara

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At 01:27 AM 6/18/01 +0000, you wrote:

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"COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote:

>> "For example, my mother has been a cancer care nurse for 25

years,

>> and has described many cases where a patient, told by a

>> doctor "there's nothing more we can do for you," will

quietly lay

>> down and "pass on" a few hours or even minutes

afterwards."

>

> The converse it true: Those who did not believe what the doctor

> said, have lived many years after the doctor said they would.

Yes, that's the case :-). My mother mentioned some cases like that

also. The will to live (desire to be), to continue living (as a

physical body) is a most powerful desire, and lies at the very root

of life itself. It could be derived from the scriptures, that the

very desire for a body is the cause of reincarnation or continued

rebirths.

Peace,

Omkara

Can the animation of a body, and the body

be considered as two different things?

If there is to be no animation of bodies,

how will bodies appear as bodies?

As the body has no existence independent

of the animating "energy" or "awareness",

nothing in the universe has existence

apart from the animating energy/awareness.

Thus, reincarnation is purely a matter of insight.

As long as there can be maintained an assumption

of separation, there can be the impression

of incarnation and reincarnation.

The instant there is "insight", there is no separation,

hence no incarnation and no reincarnation.

The animating energy/awareness being undivided, the

entire "manifest universe" expresses that

energy/awareness

and is not separate from it. All arises mutally, in

mutual definition of arising.

With clarity, there is no arising, as no separate

entity is there to perceive anything arising.

The manifest is the unmanifest, samsara is nirvana.

Namaste,

Dan

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, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote:

> At 01:27 AM 6/18/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >, "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation>

wrote:

> > >> "For example, my mother has been a cancer care nurse for 25

years,

> > >> and has described many cases where a patient, told by a

> > >> doctor "there's nothing more we can do for you," will quietly

lay

> > >> down and "pass on" a few hours or even minutes afterwards."

> > >

> > > The converse it true: Those who did not believe what the doctor

> > > said, have lived many years after the doctor said they would.

> >

> >Yes, that's the case :-). My mother mentioned some cases like that

> >also. The will to live (desire to be), to continue living (as a

> >physical body) is a most powerful desire, and lies at the very root

> >of life itself. It could be derived from the scriptures, that the

> >very desire for a body is the cause of reincarnation or continued

> >rebirths.

> >

> >Peace,

> >

> >Omkara

Namaste,

 

Seems to me that humans/jivas are like flowers, they have an impulse

to unfold before the sun. They all do, with the impetus of desire, but

they also fold back up again, or withdraw, at different speeds of

course. So is with tanha and thirst for life. There comes a point

where the attachment is not so strong.....ONS....Tony.

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Hi Tony,

 

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> Seems to me that humans/jivas are like flowers, they have an

> impulse to unfold before the sun. They all do, with the impetus of

> desire, but they also fold back up again, or withdraw, at different

> speeds of course. So is with tanha and thirst for life. There comes

> a point where the attachment is not so strong.....ONS....Tony.

 

Yes... and a point where it is *gone* as well.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

 

Tim

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