Guest guest Posted June 17, 2001 Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 , "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote: >> "For example, my mother has been a cancer care nurse for 25 years, >> and has described many cases where a patient, told by a >> doctor "there's nothing more we can do for you," will quietly lay >> down and "pass on" a few hours or even minutes afterwards." > > The converse it true: Those who did not believe what the doctor > said, have lived many years after the doctor said they would. Yes, that's the case :-). My mother mentioned some cases like that also. The will to live (desire to be), to continue living (as a physical body) is a most powerful desire, and lies at the very root of life itself. It could be derived from the scriptures, that the very desire for a body is the cause of reincarnation or continued rebirths. Peace, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 At 01:27 AM 6/18/01 +0000, you wrote: , "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote: >> "For example, my mother has been a cancer care nurse for 25 years, >> and has described many cases where a patient, told by a >> doctor "there's nothing more we can do for you," will quietly lay >> down and "pass on" a few hours or even minutes afterwards." > > The converse it true: Those who did not believe what the doctor > said, have lived many years after the doctor said they would. Yes, that's the case :-). My mother mentioned some cases like that also. The will to live (desire to be), to continue living (as a physical body) is a most powerful desire, and lies at the very root of life itself. It could be derived from the scriptures, that the very desire for a body is the cause of reincarnation or continued rebirths. Peace, Omkara Can the animation of a body, and the body be considered as two different things? If there is to be no animation of bodies, how will bodies appear as bodies? As the body has no existence independent of the animating "energy" or "awareness", nothing in the universe has existence apart from the animating energy/awareness. Thus, reincarnation is purely a matter of insight. As long as there can be maintained an assumption of separation, there can be the impression of incarnation and reincarnation. The instant there is "insight", there is no separation, hence no incarnation and no reincarnation. The animating energy/awareness being undivided, the entire "manifest universe" expresses that energy/awareness and is not separate from it. All arises mutally, in mutual definition of arising. With clarity, there is no arising, as no separate entity is there to perceive anything arising. The manifest is the unmanifest, samsara is nirvana. Namaste, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 , Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > At 01:27 AM 6/18/01 +0000, you wrote: > >, "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > >> "For example, my mother has been a cancer care nurse for 25 years, > > >> and has described many cases where a patient, told by a > > >> doctor "there's nothing more we can do for you," will quietly lay > > >> down and "pass on" a few hours or even minutes afterwards." > > > > > > The converse it true: Those who did not believe what the doctor > > > said, have lived many years after the doctor said they would. > > > >Yes, that's the case :-). My mother mentioned some cases like that > >also. The will to live (desire to be), to continue living (as a > >physical body) is a most powerful desire, and lies at the very root > >of life itself. It could be derived from the scriptures, that the > >very desire for a body is the cause of reincarnation or continued > >rebirths. > > > >Peace, > > > >Omkara Namaste, Seems to me that humans/jivas are like flowers, they have an impulse to unfold before the sun. They all do, with the impetus of desire, but they also fold back up again, or withdraw, at different speeds of course. So is with tanha and thirst for life. There comes a point where the attachment is not so strong.....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Hi Tony, , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > Seems to me that humans/jivas are like flowers, they have an > impulse to unfold before the sun. They all do, with the impetus of > desire, but they also fold back up again, or withdraw, at different > speeds of course. So is with tanha and thirst for life. There comes > a point where the attachment is not so strong.....ONS....Tony. Yes... and a point where it is *gone* as well. Om Namah Shivaya, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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