Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Dear List and Tony, I have decided to have my email program block all of Tony's new incoming email. To say the least, I don't feel that his "hahaha"s express compassion, I'm afraid that it is almost the opposite. I found his remarks abort schizophrenia, psychosis and Kundalini scathing, lacking in understanding and loving kindness for the human plight of intense suffering and the daring work applied by fellow humans to overcome it. Tony says that his first wife died as a result of schizophrenia. It could be that Tony has not dealt with that grief appropriately yet. Also, I do not think that he as yet has developed enough understanding and compassion for the intense agony of people suffering from that affliction. I accept that, it is hard... But when I read Tony's: > Yes I am well familiar, but that is not necessarily Love, > it is well tainted with emotion and attachment. and > I will familiar (sic) with the fact there is > love with a child. I have ten > children and twelve grandchildren > I will say it again, with humans it > is always tainted with dependence, > emotion and attachment... I was dumb-struck, utterly perplexed... I found James's observation and post about these remarks well expressed and I wish and hope that Tony will see a more light and discover that human love in principle is more, and can indeed express way more, than that which he sees as "always tainted with dependence, emotion and attachment." Tony's unknown pain or personal denial of pain within himself, and his harsh judgments have saddened me. I have known him for three years now... I'm sorry if anyone finds my decision ill guided... My dear Tony, fare you well... May you, your children and grandchildren know that human love is - in principle and essence - flowing from the core of our being and is indeed the unconditional and timeless expression of the divine with and within us... God is within us, God is love. May we all, as humans, recover the life divine, may we never lose hope, never become embittered, never be despondent... Love, Wim PS. Tony, see you later when you invite me back (250 479 0001) to read your emails again... You know that you are always welcome to visit me here on Vancouver Island... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Hi Wim, I feel that you are aware. Ultimately there is no one to drop anything. As, Tony, you, me are 'expressions' of Love. And, Tony with or without any direction from an expression named James lives and comes to an understanding of Life/Love in his own time and way. Tony got a response from 'me' - Now it is my turn to be vulnerable and see 'my' stuff. Love to All, james , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > Dear List and Tony, > > I have decided to have my email program block all of Tony's new incoming > email. To say the least, I don't feel that his "hahaha"s express > compassion, I'm afraid that it is almost the opposite. I found his > remarks abort schizophrenia, psychosis and Kundalini scathing, lacking > in understanding and loving kindness for the human plight of intense > suffering and the daring work applied by fellow humans to overcome it. > Tony says that his first wife died as a result of schizophrenia. It > could be that Tony has not dealt with that grief appropriately yet. > Also, I do not think that he as yet has developed enough understanding > and compassion for the intense agony of people suffering from that > affliction. > I accept that, it is hard... > > But when I read Tony's: > > Yes I am well familiar, but that is not necessarily Love, > > it is well tainted with emotion and attachment. > > and > > > I will familiar (sic) with the fact there is > > love with a child. I have ten > > children and twelve grandchildren > > I will say it again, with humans it > > is always tainted with dependence, > > emotion and attachment... > > I was dumb-struck, utterly perplexed... > > I found James's observation and post about these remarks well expressed > and I wish and hope that Tony will see a more light and discover that > human love in principle is more, and can indeed express way more, than > that which he sees as "always tainted with dependence, emotion and > attachment." > > Tony's unknown pain or personal denial of pain within himself, and his > harsh judgments have saddened me. I have known him for three years > now... > I'm sorry if anyone finds my decision ill guided... > > My dear Tony, fare you well... > > May you, your children and grandchildren know that human love is - in > principle and essence - flowing from the core of our being and is indeed > the unconditional and timeless expression of the divine with and within > us... > > God is within us, God is love. May we all, as humans, recover the life > divine, may we never lose hope, never become embittered, never be > despondent... > > Love, Wim > > PS. > Tony, see you later when you invite me back (250 479 0001) to read your > emails again... You know that you are always welcome to visit me here on > Vancouver Island... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > Dear List and Tony, > > I have decided to have my email program block all of Tony's new incoming > email. To say the least, I don't feel that his "hahaha"s express > compassion, I'm afraid that it is almost the opposite. I found his > remarks abort schizophrenia, psychosis and Kundalini scathing, lacking > in understanding and loving kindness for the human plight of intense > suffering and the daring work applied by fellow humans to overcome it. > Tony says that his first wife died as a result of schizophrenia. It > could be that Tony has not dealt with that grief appropriately yet. > Also, I do not think that he as yet has developed enough understanding > and compassion for the intense agony of people suffering from that > affliction. > I accept that, it is hard... > > But when I read Tony's: > > Yes I am well familiar, but that is not necessarily Love, > > it is well tainted with emotion and attachment. > > and > > > I will familiar (sic) with the fact there is > > love with a child. I have ten > > children and twelve grandchildren > > I will say it again, with humans it > > is always tainted with dependence, > > emotion and attachment... > > I was dumb-struck, utterly perplexed... > > I found James's observation and post about these remarks well expressed > and I wish and hope that Tony will see a more light and discover that > human love in principle is more, and can indeed express way more, than > that which he sees as "always tainted with dependence, emotion and > attachment." > > Tony's unknown pain or personal denial of pain within himself, and his > harsh judgments have saddened me. I have known him for three years > now... > I'm sorry if anyone finds my decision ill guided... > > My dear Tony, fare you well... > > May you, your children and grandchildren know that human love is - in > principle and essence - flowing from the core of our being and is indeed > the unconditional and timeless expression of the divine with and within > us... > > God is within us, God is love. May we all, as humans, recover the life > divine, may we never lose hope, never become embittered, never be > despondent... > > Love, Wim Namaste Wim, I'm sorry that you have an aversion to the statements that I have made re Human Love being tainted with dependence, emotion, attachment, and in the case of partners lust. There is nowhere in the Vedanta where you will find statements contrary to this. This is all part of being attached to this plane and the body. Because I say this doens't mean I don't hug my children and grandchildren, or still make sacrifices for them. I am stating a fact that is all. Perhaps some on a different path or approach may view this differently, and that is fine. With regard to schizophrenia, I have said nothing untoward. Yes my firt wife was a schizophrenic, manic depressive, and that was in the days before all the magic drugs and diagnoses. One of my daughters has inherited the genes and is medicated, we look after her child. So I am not unsympathetic, for I talk from experience not books. I just call a spade a spade that's all, and some of the stuff and people on these lists can be harmful to some of these people, albeit unknowingly, especially when giving advice. I have pointed this out as a precaution thats all. I'm sorry you have to grandstand your ego by announcing your censorship of my posts, another person Joyce did something similar. If you have a problem with me just censor, you don't need to grandstand. Om Namah Sivaya,....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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