Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Dear James, You wrote: > I feel that you are aware. I am. > *Ultimately* there is no one to drop anything. Yes, and that is why *now* :-) I am using a software feature that comes with my email program that blocks messages that contain elements that attempt to prove the opposite. Although cars are made with all the hardware to drive forward, they come with features that allow tuning that motion: turning, reversing, speeding up, slowing down, stopping the momentum.... Cars can even be parked. No energy is lost whatsoever... This is a play of reality, a happy unconditional play. Play needs no rules. Winning / losing is never part of play... lest it not be play. (The name the divine being in this realm is homo ludens.) When illusive conditionality shows up (the manipulative if..then) reality is seen less and less. As distinct from play, games employ rules, have winners and losers. Describing love with and in manipulative terms is an attempt to turn it into a game... > I will familiar (sic) with the fact there is > love with a child. <snip> > I will say it again, with humans it > is always tainted with dependence, > emotion and attachment... Such is not truth, such is not love, such is not reality... such are the rules of manipulation Love, Wim At no point can we turn away from love... we are not driving that bus... The illusion that love can be manipulated is THE illusion. Loving love unconditionally, Wim hat to on can use the reverse feature or the brakes or the steering mechanism to adjust the course... Such is this world that look more real than reality. Farewell to illusion Love is complete... Love, Wim - "james traverse" <nisarga <> Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:55 AM Re: A personal farewell to > > > > Hi Wim, > > > Ultimately there is no one to drop anything. > > As, Tony, you, me are 'expressions' of Love. > > > > And, Tony with or without any direction from an expression named > James lives and comes to an understanding of Life/Love in his own time > and way. > > > > Tony got a response from 'me' - Now it is my turn to be > vulnerable and see 'my' stuff. > > > > Love to All, > james > > > > > , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > > Dear List and Tony, > > > > I have decided to have my email program block all of Tony's new > incoming > > email. To say the least, I don't feel that his "hahaha"s express > > compassion, I'm afraid that it is almost the opposite. I found his > > remarks abort schizophrenia, psychosis and Kundalini scathing, > lacking > > in understanding and loving kindness for the human plight of intense > > suffering and the daring work applied by fellow humans to overcome > it. > > Tony says that his first wife died as a result of schizophrenia. It > > could be that Tony has not dealt with that grief appropriately yet. > > Also, I do not think that he as yet has developed enough > understanding > > and compassion for the intense agony of people suffering from that > > affliction. > > I accept that, it is hard... > > > > But when I read Tony's: > > > Yes I am well familiar, but that is not necessarily Love, > > > it is well tainted with emotion and attachment. > > > > and > > > > > I will familiar (sic) with the fact there is > > > love with a child. I have ten > > > children and twelve grandchildren > > > I will say it again, with humans it > > > is always tainted with dependence, > > > emotion and attachment... > > > > I was dumb-struck, utterly perplexed... > > > > I found James's observation and post about these remarks well > expressed > > and I wish and hope that Tony will see a more light and discover > that > > human love in principle is more, and can indeed express way more, > than > > that which he sees as "always tainted with dependence, emotion and > > attachment." > > > > Tony's unknown pain or personal denial of pain within himself, and > his > > harsh judgments have saddened me. I have known him for three years > > now... > > I'm sorry if anyone finds my decision ill guided... > > > > My dear Tony, fare you well... > > > > May you, your children and grandchildren know that human love is - > in > > principle and essence - flowing from the core of our being and is > indeed > > the unconditional and timeless expression of the divine with and > within > > us... > > > > God is within us, God is love. May we all, as humans, recover the > life > > divine, may we never lose hope, never become embittered, never be > > despondent... > > > > Love, Wim > > > > PS. > > Tony, see you later when you invite me back (250 479 0001) to read > your > > emails again... You know that you are always welcome to visit me > here on > > Vancouver Island... > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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