Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Namaste All, Today whilst taking my dog for a walk, I found a fledgling bird on the footpath. It seemed weak so I picked it up and brought it home. It is out on my balcony now, in the sun. It is in a birdcage with food and water and an open door. Hopefully it will get its strength and fly again, for it didn't seem injured. As I was walking it home in the palm of my hand, I thought; 'How can people kill and eat an animal like this and still say that they are aware? It is not possible to be spiritual and do that, it is just a badge a fad an intellectual exercise. I feel that this way of treating a bird or animal is better than devouring its corpse upon my plate. Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:46:32 -0000 "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery writes: > Namaste All, > > Today whilst taking my dog for a walk, I found a fledgling bird on > the > footpath. It seemed weak so I picked it up and brought it home. It > is > out on my balcony now, in the sun. It is in a birdcage with food and > water and an open door. Hopefully it will get its strength and fly > again, for it didn't seem injured. > > As I was walking it home in the palm of my hand, I thought; 'How can > people kill and eat an animal like this and still say that they are > aware? It is not possible to be spiritual and do that, it is just a > badge a fad an intellectual exercise. > > I feel that this way of treating a bird or animal is better than > devouring its corpse upon my plate. > > Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. > Although you couch it in terms that could easily be mistaken for ahimsa, your constant preaching against eating flesh is in fact a form of violence. Vegetarianism undertaken out of guilt is not conducive to clear awareness, it is a zero- sum karmic wash and often a misleading distraction. I say this as a vegetarian of over 25 years standing, and I urge you to examine your motive(s) carefully. You have posted what amounts to a chest-beating exercise in the holy robes of a heartfelt lesson. It is as seen from here a violation of the stated intent and spirit of . There are many Internet venues where such activity is tolerated or even welcome, in my view this list isn't one of them. Pax vobiscum, grandfather. Baba nam kevelam -- Bruce http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 , Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote: > > > > Although you couch it in terms > that could easily be mistaken > for ahimsa, your constant > preaching against eating flesh > is in fact a form of violence. > > Vegetarianism undertaken out > of guilt is not conducive to > clear awareness, it is a zero- > sum karmic wash and often a > misleading distraction. I say > this as a vegetarian of over > 25 years standing, and I urge > you to examine your motive(s) > carefully. You have posted > what amounts to a chest-beating > exercise in the holy robes of a > heartfelt lesson. It is as > seen from here a violation of > the stated intent and spirit of > . There are many > Internet venues where such > activity is tolerated or even > welcome, in my view this list > isn't one of them. > > Pax vobiscum, grandfather. > > Baba nam kevelam -- Bruce Namaste, Thank you for your politically correct judgement on my post. I suppose talking about various ways to eat meat like sushi etc, never gets a mention. Why BS that's why. Sorry that you misunderstand me...ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:25:40 -0000 "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery writes: > , Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > Although you couch it in terms > > that could easily be mistaken > > for ahimsa, your constant > > preaching against eating flesh > > is in fact a form of violence. > > > > Vegetarianism undertaken out > > of guilt is not conducive to > > clear awareness, it is a zero- > > sum karmic wash and often a > > misleading distraction. I say > > this as a vegetarian of over > > 25 years standing, and I urge > > you to examine your motive(s) > > carefully. You have posted > > what amounts to a chest-beating > > exercise in the holy robes of a > > heartfelt lesson. It is as > > seen from here a violation of > > the stated intent and spirit of > > . There are many > > Internet venues where such > > activity is tolerated or even > > welcome, in my view this list > > isn't one of them. > > > > Pax vobiscum, grandfather. > > > > Baba nam kevelam -- Bruce > > Namaste, > > Thank you for your politically correct judgement on my post. It isn't a matter of "pc" as in "politically correct," it is a matter of "pc" as pure courtesy. Satsanghi's do not attend to be lectured by their fellow satsanghis, they come to share in a climate of mutual respect, from whatever point on their respective paths they happen to be. You have been violating that spirit for a long time, and it may well be time for you to reevaluate your presence here. > I suppose > talking about various ways to eat meat like sushi etc, never gets a > mention. If that sort of stuff offends you, you should certainly feel free to mention it, either publicly or in an e-mail to Harshadeva. Remember, though, that the sushi eaters are sharing their experience, not recommending it as essential to a life of the spirit. Share your experiences, whether they be bird rescues or your first wife's arduous illness -- just drop the lecturing and I can virtually guaran-danged-tee that folks will be far more likely "get it!" > Why BS that's why. I'm sorry, Tony, I can parse no meaning from this other than a general sense of anger and resentment > Sorry that you misunderstand > me...ONS..Tony. > Well, I can certainly agree that there is some misunderstanding involved, but I see it as your misunderstanding of the spirit of satsangh, which does not including ongoing and highly obnoxious soapbox mounting. The human ego works in stealthy ways, and one of them is "look at my ahimsa, be like me!" This is much the same as bragging of ones humility -- the statement immediately belies itself. http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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