Criticizing Meat Eaters and Ahimsa

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

My Guru, Paramahansa Yogananda says that to criticize a meat eater is

an act of violence. It breaks the law of ahimsa in its very nature of

making judgements against another with words. "Our mouth is like a

cannon, and our words are the bullets." If one musy make a judgement

against meat eating, it must never be directly aimed at an

individual, especially. That I choose to not eat meat is enough. More

informative to others is our example and not our condemnation.

 

With Love,

Mazie

[Guest guest]

, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> My Guru, Paramahansa Yogananda says that to criticize a meat eater

is

> an act of violence. It breaks the law of ahimsa in its very nature

of

> making judgements against another with words. "Our mouth is like a

> cannon, and our words are the bullets." If one musy make a judgement

> against meat eating, it must never be directly aimed at an

> individual, especially. That I choose to not eat meat is enough.

More

> informative to others is our example and not our condemnation.

>

> With Love,

> Mazie

 

Namaste Mazie,

 

I doubt yogananda was a realised jivanmukti. However the pc involved

in not criticising is unbelievable hahahah.

 

I suppose you will be saying don't criticise the Nazis or Hutus for

killing millions of humans? Or George Bush for judicial murders?

 

Your consideration is misplaced, go spend an afternoon at a

slaugherhouse and then get back to me.

 

ONS....Tony.

[Guest guest]

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> , sraddha54@h... wrote:

> Namaste Mazie,

>

> I doubt yogananda was a realised jivanmukti. However the pc

involved

> in not criticising is unbelievable hahahah.

>

> I suppose you will be saying don't criticise the Nazis or Hutus for

> killing millions of humans? Or George Bush for judicial murders?

>

> Your consideration is misplaced, go spend an afternoon at a

> slaugherhouse and then get back to me.

>

> ONS....Tony.

 

Dearest Tony,

 

Sri Yoganandaji is an Avatar. Whether you believe this or not, is of

little consequence, this is a verity that exists. Kindness is so

easy, so pleasing to the soul. Laughter directed with the intent to

try and make a fool of another seems so unnecessary, especially in

this, such a loving environment. I have been in slaughterhouses, and

still I stand by what Master has said about ahimsa concerning meat

eating. I wish you peace Tony. I offer you love.

 

In Divine Friendship,

Mazie

[Guest guest]

Hi Mazie,

 

Sri Yogananda's words about words are wise indeed, and thank you for

posting them. Words can be lastingly harmful and damaging. Why level

harsh words against an individual? Pointing out the unkindness of the act,

e.g. killing, is enough.

 

Physical killing, torture and violence are horrible. But words are not

trivial either. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that for most people, the

worst experiences they ever have to suffer at the hands of other people are

verbal, not physically violent. Insults, teasing, hazing, slights,

offending, derogatory or disrespectful remarks. This is why so many

teachings on ahimsa are about speaking kindly.

 

Thanks again!

 

Love,

 

--Greg

[Guest guest]

By reacting to Tony's procramations,is not at least a part of our

consciousness going into agreement with what he is presenting?

If someone called me "fat", knowing that I am the opposite, would I

take offense? Hardly, I would just have some compassion for that

individual who appears to have another reality.

If people here keeping responding to Tony over an over again and

present nothing new or interesting, I will skip almost all the posts

except Vicky's Ramana ones.

 

Wim, your blocking evidentally is not working unless you are blocking

many others.

 

Loving you loving me loving you,

Alton

 

 

, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> > , sraddha54@h... wrote:

>

> > Namaste Mazie,

> >

> > I doubt yogananda was a realised jivanmukti. However the pc

> involved

> > in not criticising is unbelievable hahahah.

> >

> > I suppose you will be saying don't criticise the Nazis or Hutus

for

> > killing millions of humans? Or George Bush for judicial murders?

> >

> > Your consideration is misplaced, go spend an afternoon at a

> > slaugherhouse and then get back to me.

> >

> > ONS....Tony.

>

> Dearest Tony,

>

> Sri Yoganandaji is an Avatar. Whether you believe this or not, is

of

> little consequence, this is a verity that exists. Kindness is so

> easy, so pleasing to the soul. Laughter directed with the intent to

> try and make a fool of another seems so unnecessary, especially in

> this, such a loving environment. I have been in slaughterhouses,

and

> still I stand by what Master has said about ahimsa concerning meat

> eating. I wish you peace Tony. I offer you love.

>

> In Divine Friendship,

> Mazie

[Guest guest]

On 6/19/01 at 6:16 PM COMO KASHA wrote:

 

ºBy reacting to Tony's procramations,is not at least a part of our

ºconsciousness going into agreement with what he is presenting?

 

Not necessarily - when a response is possible, that could be interpreted

as "a common and valid issue" - irrespective of agree/disagree, like/dislike.

 

ºIf someone called me "fat", knowing that I am the opposite, would I

ºtake offense? Hardly, I would just have some compassion for that

ºindividual who appears to have another reality.

 

Where is the borderline - when would you take offense?

The use of "spiced" lingo? A different issue?

One of the marks of "progress" could be the observation

of one's borderlines shifting - until no longer observable.

What has become a joke for one still could mean "hurt feelings" for another...

Regarding the list, the borderline is drawn by list owner/moderators.

 

Why compassion for someone "in" a different subset of Reality?

As long as pain can be felt, compassion arises spontaneously when

observing suffering - one subset of Reality isn't "worse" or

"better" than any other.

 

ºIf people here keeping responding to Tony over an over again and

ºpresent nothing new or interesting, I will skip almost all the posts

ºexcept Vicky's Ramana ones.

 

You won't have to put my posts into the kill file - not intending to post much

- if anything at all.

º

ºWim, your blocking evidentally is not working unless you are blocking

ºmany others.

 

Speedreading is a most valuable skill to skip irrelevant issues - especially

when their number is growing

 

Joy and Light,

Jan

º

ºLoving you loving me loving you,

ºAlton

[Guest guest]

, Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote:

> Physical killing, torture and violence are horrible. But words are

not

> trivial either. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that for most people,

the

> worst experiences they ever have to suffer at the hands of other

people are

> verbal, not physically violent. Insults, teasing, hazing, slights,

> offending, derogatory or disrespectful remarks. This is why so

many

> teachings on ahimsa are about speaking kindly.

 

 

Thanks for the reminder, Greg.

 

That's so true. It seems to me what most ppl struggle with when

trying to see the truth is to overcome the emotional memories about

past abuse (any kind) of the past. Before these emotional memories

have been left behind, they can create a lot of emotional hurt. The

identification with the emotional memories is usually very strong.

For those who do not have a history of physical abuse you can find

plenty of verbal and non verbal / psychological abuse in their past.

Being found lacking is the foundation for creating defenses and that

old hurt can stay for a long time. It seems to me it needs to be

worked out on its own time.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.