Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Namaste All, If I do something that incurrs bad karma, and somebody else benefits from it, knowing well that it was bad karma. They also incurr the same karma, and so does anyone else who knowingly benefits from it, or didn't attempt to prevent it, if they could. This is well understood in the Vedanta. For example if a hunter kills a croc and then sells me the skin, it is the same as I killed the croc. The same applies to ill-gotten gains. There is no break in the chain if there is intent and knowledge. It is like receiving stolen goods knowingly. With regard to crime even the law has the same attitude, never mind the karma. So one can never say, 'I didn't do it, the golliwog did'. Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Dear Tony, Hi! Would you say all these same things might apply to good karma too? Happiness and blessings can spread by all these same mechanisms of chains of interaction and sharing. This is partly what satsangh means to me, that we all share this "space" here, and so what each one contributes affects the whole, your well-being is mine too. Right? What does satsangh mean to you, Tony? Love, Gloria - Tony O'Clery Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:01 AM Karma and who incurrs Namaste All,If I do something that incurrs bad karma, and somebody else benefits from it, knowing well that it was bad karma. They also incurr the same karma, and so does anyone else who knowingly benefits from it, or didn't attempt to prevent it, if they could. This is well understood in the Vedanta. For example if a hunter kills a croc and then sells me the skin, it is the same as I killed the croc.The same applies to ill-gotten gains.There is no break in the chain if there is intent and knowledge. It is like receiving stolen goods knowingly. With regard to crime even the law has the same attitude, never mind the karma.So one can never say, 'I didn't do it, the golliwog did'.Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony./join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 , "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > Hi! Would you say all these same things might apply to good karma too? Happiness and blessings can spread by all these same mechanisms of chains of interaction and sharing. > > This is partly what satsangh means to me, that we all share this "space" here, and so what each one contributes affects the whole, your well-being is mine too. Right? What does satsangh mean to you, Tony? > > Love, Gloria Namaste Glo et al, I use bad karma example for it is understood better, as people 'expect', good karma and their egos think that they achieved it. Bad karma they don't want to own. Satsangh to me means Truth together, not pc or sanitised truth but truth directly. Of course this is all illusory and it didn't happen etc etc, but until we know we are 'that' we have to live with it. No amount of non dualist verbal talk will change that. I'm glad some 'bad', things happened to me that set me on the right road, even if they were unpleasant at the time. There is no 'bad karma', all karma is good for it teaches and corrects courses. Again on here I write, why I don't know, I am definately not doing it for approval of any kind. Just doing it and eventually I will move on again for a while. OM Namah Sivaya.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Namaste Glo et al,I use bad karma example for it is understood better, as people 'expect', good karma and their egos think that they achieved it. Bad karma they don't want to own.Satsangh to me means Truth together, not pc or sanitised truth but truth directly.Of course this is all illusory and it didn't happen etc etc, but until we know we are 'that' we have to live with it. No amount of non dualist verbal talk will change that.I'm glad some 'bad', things happened to me that set me on the right road, even if they were unpleasant at the time.There is no 'bad karma', all karma is good for it teaches and corrects courses.Again on here I write, why I don't know, I am definately not doing it for approval of any kind. Just doing it and eventually I will move on again for a while.OM Namah Sivaya.....Tony. Ahh Tony, Don't make me have to come after you too!! Tho any excuse for another party would be fine. You have so many friends here Tony, why do you think people keep writing back to you anyway? And you are respected for your commitment to fearlessly speaking the truth as you see it, very much so. What I still don't understand is why "the truth" needs to come as bad news. Its good news, really it is! And I dunno why you get so cranky whenever love comes up, but its not just the same thing as this "approval" you disdain. Golly, I often think of you as our resident "grumpy old man", but still I love you, Tony..honestly! Truth and love are the same, Tony, you can't separate them and have one without the other. With love, Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 , "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote: > > > Namaste Glo et al, > > I use bad karma example for it is understood better, as people > 'expect', good karma and their egos think that they achieved it. Bad > karma they don't want to own. > > Satsangh to me means Truth together, not pc or sanitised truth but > truth directly. > > Of course this is all illusory and it didn't happen etc etc, but until > we know we are 'that' we have to live with it. No amount of non > dualist verbal talk will change that. > > I'm glad some 'bad', things happened to me that set me on the right > road, even if they were unpleasant at the time. > > There is no 'bad karma', all karma is good for it teaches and corrects > courses. > > Again on here I write, why I don't know, I am definately not doing it > for approval of any kind. Just doing it and eventually I will move on > again for a while. > > OM Namah Sivaya.....Tony. > > Ahh Tony, > Don't make me have to come after you too!! Tho any excuse for another party would be fine. You have so many friends here Tony, why do you think people keep writing back to you anyway? And you are respected for your commitment to fearlessly speaking the truth as you see it, very much so. What I still don't understand is why "the truth" needs to come as bad news. Its good news, really it is! And I dunno why you get so cranky whenever love comes up, but its not just the same thing as this "approval" you disdain. Golly, I often think of you as our resident "grumpy old man", but still I love you, Tony..honestly! Truth and love are the same, Tony, you can't separate them and have one without the other. > > With love, > Gloria Namaste Glo, I don't get cranky about love. I just wonder why so many people confuse it with emotion and attachment that's all. Love is energy is saguna brahman, ultimately unreal....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Namaste Glo,I don't get cranky about love. I just wonder why so many people confuse it with emotion and attachment that's all. Love is energy is saguna brahman, ultimately unreal....ONS....Tony.Dear Tony, You wonder? Really? Tony, you surely have noticed with watching your children and grandchildren growing up, that so many truths they need to discover for themselves. If you could just tell them what you believe and they would believe you and take your word for it, would that really be a better way? It's hard to let people be where they are and learn on their own, especially if you think you might spare them some suffering and pain. It doesn't work that way in a family, nor here on a satsangh list. Some people wonder why you can't quite see things the way they do. It goes both ways here, Tony. Hey, I am driving out with my Mom to get some sour cherries to make pies. She makes the pie crusts, I still haven't mastered that, so how can I imagine telling others what to believe? ha ha, as you say, Tony! Later, Glo PS, Start snipping! I can still nag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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