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Namaste All,

 

If I do something that incurrs bad karma, and somebody else benefits

from it, knowing well that it was bad karma. They also incurr the same

karma, and so does anyone else who knowingly benefits from it, or

didn't attempt to prevent it, if they could. This is well understood

in the Vedanta. For example if a hunter kills a croc and then sells me

the skin, it is the same as I killed the croc.

 

The same applies to ill-gotten gains.

 

There is no break in the chain if there is intent and knowledge. It is

like receiving stolen goods knowingly. With regard to crime even the

law has the same attitude, never mind the karma.

 

So one can never say, 'I didn't do it, the golliwog did'.

 

Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony.

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Dear Tony,

Hi! Would you say all these same things might apply to good karma too?

Happiness and blessings can spread by all these same mechanisms of

chains of interaction and sharing.

This is partly what satsangh means to me, that we all share this

"space" here, and so what each one contributes affects the whole,

your well-being is mine too. Right? What does satsangh mean to you,

Tony?

Love, Gloria

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Tony O'Clery

Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:01 AM

Karma and who incurrs

Namaste All,If I do something that incurrs bad karma, and somebody

else benefits from it, knowing well that it was bad karma. They also

incurr the same karma, and so does anyone else who knowingly benefits

from it, or didn't attempt to prevent it, if they could. This is well

understood in the Vedanta. For example if a hunter kills a croc and

then sells me the skin, it is the same as I killed the croc.The same

applies to ill-gotten gains.There is no break in the chain if there

is intent and knowledge. It is like receiving stolen goods knowingly.

With regard to crime even the law has the same attitude, never mind

the karma.So one can never say, 'I didn't do it, the golliwog did'.Om

Namah

Sivaya.....Tony./join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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, "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> Hi! Would you say all these same things might apply to good karma

too? Happiness and blessings can spread by all these same mechanisms

of chains of interaction and sharing.

>

> This is partly what satsangh means to me, that we all share this

"space" here, and so what each one contributes affects the whole, your

well-being is mine too. Right? What does satsangh mean to you, Tony?

>

> Love, Gloria

 

Namaste Glo et al,

 

I use bad karma example for it is understood better, as people

'expect', good karma and their egos think that they achieved it. Bad

karma they don't want to own.

 

Satsangh to me means Truth together, not pc or sanitised truth but

truth directly.

 

Of course this is all illusory and it didn't happen etc etc, but until

we know we are 'that' we have to live with it. No amount of non

dualist verbal talk will change that.

 

I'm glad some 'bad', things happened to me that set me on the right

road, even if they were unpleasant at the time.

 

There is no 'bad karma', all karma is good for it teaches and corrects

courses.

 

Again on here I write, why I don't know, I am definately not doing it

for approval of any kind. Just doing it and eventually I will move on

again for a while.

 

OM Namah Sivaya.....Tony.

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Namaste Glo et al,I use bad karma example for it is understood better,

as people 'expect', good karma and their egos think that they achieved

it. Bad karma they don't want to own.Satsangh to me means Truth

together, not pc or sanitised truth but truth directly.Of course this

is all illusory and it didn't happen etc etc, but until we know we are

'that' we have to live with it. No amount of non dualist verbal talk

will change that.I'm glad some 'bad', things happened to me that set

me on the right road, even if they were unpleasant at the time.There

is no 'bad karma', all karma is good for it teaches and corrects

courses.Again on here I write, why I don't know, I am definately not

doing it for approval of any kind. Just doing it and eventually I

will move on again for a while.OM Namah Sivaya.....Tony.

 

Ahh Tony,

Don't make me have to come after you too!! Tho any excuse for another

party would be fine. You have so many friends here Tony, why do you

think people keep writing back to you anyway? And you are respected

for your commitment to fearlessly speaking the truth as you see it,

very much so. What I still don't understand is why "the truth" needs

to come as bad news. Its good news, really it is! And I dunno why you

get so cranky whenever love comes up, but its not just the same thing

as this "approval" you disdain. Golly, I often think of you as our

resident "grumpy old man", but still I love you, Tony..honestly!

Truth and love are the same, Tony, you can't separate them and have

one without the other.

 

With love,

Gloria

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, "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste Glo et al,

>

> I use bad karma example for it is understood better, as people

> 'expect', good karma and their egos think that they achieved it. Bad

> karma they don't want to own.

>

> Satsangh to me means Truth together, not pc or sanitised truth but

> truth directly.

>

> Of course this is all illusory and it didn't happen etc etc, but

until

> we know we are 'that' we have to live with it. No amount of non

> dualist verbal talk will change that.

>

> I'm glad some 'bad', things happened to me that set me on the right

> road, even if they were unpleasant at the time.

>

> There is no 'bad karma', all karma is good for it teaches and

corrects

> courses.

>

> Again on here I write, why I don't know, I am definately not doing

it

> for approval of any kind. Just doing it and eventually I will move

on

> again for a while.

>

> OM Namah Sivaya.....Tony.

>

> Ahh Tony,

> Don't make me have to come after you too!! Tho any excuse for

another party would be fine. You have so many friends here Tony, why

do you think people keep writing back to you anyway? And you are

respected for your commitment to fearlessly speaking the truth as you

see it, very much so. What I still don't understand is why "the truth"

needs to come as bad news. Its good news, really it is! And I dunno

why you get so cranky whenever love comes up, but its not just the

same thing as this "approval" you disdain. Golly, I often think of

you as our resident "grumpy old man", but still I love you,

Tony..honestly! Truth and love are the same, Tony, you can't separate

them and have one without the other.

>

> With love,

> Gloria

 

Namaste Glo,

 

I don't get cranky about love. I just wonder why so many people

confuse it with emotion and attachment that's all. Love is energy is

saguna brahman, ultimately unreal....ONS....Tony.

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Namaste Glo,I don't get cranky about love. I just wonder why so many

people confuse it with emotion and attachment that's all. Love is

energy is saguna brahman, ultimately unreal....ONS....Tony.Dear Tony,

 

You wonder? Really? Tony, you surely have noticed with watching your

children and grandchildren growing up, that so many truths they need

to discover for themselves. If you could just tell them what you

believe and they would believe you and take your word for it, would

that really be a better way? It's hard to let people be where they

are and learn on their own, especially if you think you might spare

them some suffering and pain. It doesn't work that way in a family,

nor here on a satsangh list. Some people wonder why you can't quite

see things the way they do. It goes both ways here, Tony.

 

Hey, I am driving out with my Mom to get some sour cherries to make

pies. She makes the pie crusts, I still haven't mastered that, so how

can I imagine telling others what to believe? ha ha, as you say, Tony!

 

Later,

Glo

PS, Start snipping! I can still nag!

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