Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Namaste All, Yesterday I posted a most powerful mantra, the Gayatri.'The Mother of the Vedas'. There was some question about verbal non dualism, and other sadhanas. Without a spiritual path to 'connect', the Higher Mind, VND goes nowhere but arranging the lower mind to a different arrangement, that's all. Even Ramana's 'Who am I', wouldn't probably work for those without some appreciation and spiritual developement. Mantras work by attracting the corresponding spiritual vibration. The words help at a lower level and as a vehicle for the mantra, but they aren't necessary to the success of the mantra. The sounds came before the words, it is all sabda again. These sounds have the effect of improving or enhancing the vijnamamayakosa and so purifying the Buddhi, or spiritual intellect. It is something that has been going on for untold time. However seers and sages have heard these sounds and know how to apply them. (It times past years were spent in improving with sound, there are still huge circular stones found around Mexico that were actually used in the effort.) Some may say it is too dualistic to chant such stuff, well that's fine if you are already realised. If you eat you are dualistic!!! So to sum up the sound vibrations in the mantra are what do the improving. OM Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 There is nothing to "improve," there is nothing to change, there is nothing to do, there is nothing to seek. In the dropping of all seeking lies "Realization." Nobody drops that -- it drops when clarity is, when it is seen that the seeking and "trying to improve" was all along acting as a 'block' to 'knowing' of the Everpresent and the Timeless. So from one perspective, any effort toward "improvement" is moving away. Any "movement toward" whatsoever is "movement away." In Reality, nothing ever happened -- the Self 'moves' nowhere. , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > So to sum up the sound vibrations in the mantra are what do the > improving. > > OM Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > There is nothing to "improve," there is nothing to change, there is > nothing to do, there is nothing to seek. In the dropping of all > seeking lies "Realization." Nobody drops that -- it drops when > clarity is, when it is seen that the seeking and "trying to improve" > was all along acting as a 'block' to 'knowing' of the Everpresent and > the Timeless. > > So from one perspective, any effort toward "improvement" is moving > away. Any "movement toward" whatsoever is "movement away." > > In Reality, nothing ever happened -- the Self 'moves' nowhere. Namaste Omkara, Eat nothing for dinner then....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Hi Tony, The Self is not the body. You 'address' only the body/mind, and the Self is not that. Yet, at the same time samsara is nirvana... Maya is Brahman. It is a paradox which thought cannot solve (and paradoxes 'exist' quite comfortably 'side by side' in/as Self). Eating or not eating has nothing to do with anything. If the body gets hungry, it eats. Who is it exactly who is stuck firmly in "verbal nondualism" and trying to "fight his way out?" Namaste, Omkara , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste Omkara, > > Eat nothing for dinner then....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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