Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Why would some one have the desire to incarnate as a miserable seeker? :-)) Laugh - indeed. If a being were conscious enough to be able to choose to re-incarnate in the body, it would be because they choose to remain in order to serve suffering beings. (Whatever mind chooses to do it can do). Masters leave the body consciously directing mind through jhanic states. Otherwise, there is no death, merely the dropping of the body at its appropriate karmic moment. The life force is a continuum, and each moment of contact of mind with phenomena is a "birth" as the contact endures through mental concocting, feeling and so forth the wheel turns until this contact dissolves. The metaphor of the wheel turning. Still, how interesting that some are aware of a path and choose to be on it and others aren't interested. Merely the life force continuum from previous experience. A being isn't "the same' from one moment to the next much less, one lifetime to the next. But there is something accessible that doesn't die and is not 'reborn' and is free from the craving to be. So - from the moment this post re-'miserable seeker' was posted until this moment where a response is offered, many, many 'lives' and 'deaths'. Continual migrations through mind states or 'Bardos". 'Bardos' are an expression of states of mind or life force and these bardos are present during life in body and after it drops. Differentiation or separateness from lifeforce is an illusion of self-habit. Recognition of the Clear Light by mind, seeing clearly its true nature (during any point in life or at two points during 'dying' process), or lumninuous nature of mind, citta, Truth whatever, frees consciousness from any 'I' that migrates or moves at all. This dreaming self is an illusion, the bardos are its dreamings. Appearance of phenomena is merely an expression of nature. Clinging to any of it as 'I' and 'mine' is the dream. A realized master has the choice of whether to return or not. How this may be done is interesting to reflect upon if the reflection leads back to the source and not away from it. Can't speak to it from personal experience, alas. Maybe better to let mind and body drop now..except it sticks a bit like velcro, aye? Love Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: > A realized master has the choice of whether to return or not. The above is purely a myth. A "Realized Master" is Reality (Parabrahman). Where is Reality to "go" or to "return?" Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > , "Joyce Short" <insight@s...> wrote: > > > A realized master has the choice of whether to return or not. > > The above is purely a myth. A "Realized Master" is Reality > (Parabrahman). Where is Reality to "go" or to "return?" > > Namaste, > > Omkara Namaste All, Yes I can agree on this, wonders never cease!! That is why I posed the question on whether a Jivanmukti was more advanced than a Bhodisattva. This is all of course speculative and within illusion, but it has some relative validity. Just like my dinner! Is a Bhodisattva a Jivanmukti at the most subtle level, that has a body left doing some work, or is he/she a being that still has a thought and has put off final moksha? The word Bhodisattva means 'purified Buddhi or awareness sheath', jivanmukti means the individual entity has merged with the universal. No Vndists arguments or corrections please! ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Namaste All, Yes I can agree on this, wonders never cease!! How lovely, Tim and Tony are in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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