Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Namaste All, As far as I remembet it was Patanjali that was talking about them. It seems they were a little more than the sankrit dictionary is describing. They were somewhat similar to the Vnd-ists in their zeal. They were an actual movement in philosophy and practice. So as usual the sanskrit language is much fuller than the western word atheist. Atheist or A Deist, means only, not believing in 'God'. Nastikas took it all to new hedonistic heights. In Bharat in those days their behaviour would have been traumatic to many. For it indicated that there was no karma and people didn't have to take responsibility for their actions. To me a verbal non dualist is self explanatory. It just a verbal roundabout with no action. ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Just couldn't resist here... Speaking and/or thinking isn't an "action?" But what is it, then? Cheers, Tim , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > To me a verbal non dualist is self explanatory. It just a verbal > roundabout with no action. > > ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Just couldn't resist here... > > Speaking and/or thinking isn't an "action?" But what is it, then? > > Cheers, > > Tim > > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > To me a verbal non dualist is self explanatory. It just a verbal > > roundabout with no action. > > > > ONS....Tony. Namaste, No action= no seva, no sadhana////ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 In traditional jnana yoga, viveka (discrimination between the real and the unreal) is part of that yoga. Viveka clearly involves an action: thought, or thinking is necessary to discriminate, and that can easily involve verbalization and/or discussion. So "sadhana" can clearly involve what you term "Vndism," if it helps to discriminate between the 'real' and the 'unreal'. And such discrimination leads quite naturally to unattachment or vairagya (speaking from experience). Also, a sadhana can occur quite 'unconsciously'. For example, let's say developing concentration or "one pointedness" is important. Suppose a person's job involves a lot of concentration on a single task (like data entry), all day long. Don't you suppose that "one pointedness" might in fact develop quite naturally just from doing that work? Namaste, Omkara , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste, > > No action= no seva, no sadhana////ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:00:47 -0000 "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery writes: > , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > > > Just couldn't resist here... > > > > Speaking and/or thinking isn't an "action?" But what is it, > then? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tim > > > > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > > To me a verbal non dualist is self explanatory. It just a verbal > > > > roundabout with no action. > > > > > > ONS....Tony. > > > Namaste, > > No action= no seva, no sadhana////ONS..Tony. > How the heck would you know what amounts to seva or sadhana? http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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