Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:50:26 -0000 "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation writes: > Hi: Greg: > I guess there are no only solutions. What ever works for one is > best. > However, currently the Psychiatrists are catagorizing too many as > clinically depressed and puting them on anti-depressants. My > grandson's friends are on it and he wanted to be on them too. So he > went to a psychiatrist and they diagnosed him as clinically > depressed. Parkinson like syndromes are appearing in those who were > on tranquilizers and who can tell what the side effects will be for > anti-depressants. The dosage has to be increased to keep working, > from what I have read Having had a parent with serious depression *before* the advent of modern treatment, I can tell you that whatever their pitfalls they are a great improvement over what little was available just a couple of decades ago, which bordered on the barbaric. Overprescription of SSRIs is mostly a problem among non- specialists -- psychiatrists tend to look into other ways of dealing with depression first, but even they know that talk therapy has been very ineffective as a treatment. > > When I grew up feeling down was quite natural when things did not > work out for oneself. Clinical depression is not like that -- it comprises "feeling down" for *no* discernible reason at all, even when things are going well as far as anyone can tell. The psychiatric approach assumes there are hidden "things" that don't "work out" and attempts to find those hidden problems. That almost *never* works, and SSRIs generally do. Btw, my experience (not personal, but people I know) is that SSRI dosage do not generally escalate, but does tend to fluctuate. Perhaps this is due to periodic changes in levels of the relevant natural chemical, seratonin, which is not directly measured diagnostically. > You slept it off for a few weeks and it left. Most of us don't have the option of "few weeks" of sleep. Correctly diagnosed clinical depression isn't take easy to get over. > I am not against standard therapy, SSRIs are now standard for clinical depression. > I just think alternative sfuff > works better. I've seen little evidence about "alternative sfuff," and I'd be interested in testimony about it. > > Love, > > Alton http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Hi Bruce: I could counter most of your arguments and this could go on an on, so I will stop by saying that what you have to say has some validity in some circumstances. Aloha, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 That's all I was saying -- "some validity in some circumstances" is about all one can hope for with *any* kind of treatment. On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:35:21 -0000 "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation writes: > Hi Bruce: > I could counter most of your arguments and this could go on an on, so > I will stop by saying that what you have to say has some validity in > some circumstances. > > Aloha, > Alton ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 SSRI? At 07:14 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > >Overprescription of SSRIs is >mostly a problem among non- >specialists -- psychiatrists >tend to look into other ways >of dealing with depression >first, but even they know >that talk therapy has been >very ineffective as a >treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:35:13 -0400 Greg Goode <goode writes: > SSRI? Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor, e.g. Prozac and dozens of newer anti- depressant drugs. At this point internists, GPs, and ob/gyns are the major prescribers, not shrinks, and that's apparently resulting in a lot of mistaken diagnosis of ordinary "blues" as clinical depression worth of the risks of drug therapy. > > At 07:14 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > > > > >Overprescription of SSRIs is > >mostly a problem among non- > >specialists -- psychiatrists > >tend to look into other ways > >of dealing with depression > >first, but even they know > >that talk therapy has been > >very ineffective as a > >treatment. http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Thanks Bruce-ji, How do they work with ordinary ups and downs, the blues, and with actual clinical depression? Over-prescription, interesting. Reminds me of a similar case in a different specialty of medicine. Yeas ago a friend of mine popped something in her back in her factory job at Kodak. Next day, she went to the doctor on the job site. He gave her painkillers, and she was on free Kodak painkillers for the next 10 years as the pain and her immobility got worse and worse. By the time she looked at different avenues, her spine was almost fused into permanent mis-aligment. She finally went for spinal surgery; Kodak was court-ordered to pay for that, and also award her a permanent disability allowance. --Greg At 08:53 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:35:13 -0400 Greg Goode <goode writes: >> SSRI? > >Selective Seratonin Reuptake >Inhibitor, e.g. Prozac and >dozens of newer anti- >depressant drugs. At this >point internists, GPs, and >ob/gyns are the major >prescribers, not shrinks, >and that's apparently >resulting in a lot of >mistaken diagnosis of >ordinary "blues" as clinical >depression worth of the >risks of drug therapy. >> >> At 07:14 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: >> >> > >> >Overprescription of SSRIs is >> >mostly a problem among non- >> >specialists -- psychiatrists >> >tend to look into other ways >> >of dealing with depression >> >first, but even they know >> >that talk therapy has been >> >very ineffective as a >> >treatment. > > >http://come.to/realization >http://www.atman.net/realization >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm >______________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:06:51 -0400 Greg Goode <goode writes: > Thanks Bruce-ji, > > How do they work with ordinary ups and downs, the blues, and with > actual clinical depression? The mechanism is described in the name -- they supposedly prevent (inhibit) seratonin, one of the major mood- governing chemicals, from being absorbed (reuptake). Iow, they don't directly alter mood, they keep a natural substance that strongly influences mood from falling to low levels. The thing is, they probably are effective in treating "the blues," but as Alton mentions such moods go away on their own given some time and really don't require treatment any more than the momentary pain of a pinched finger requires aspirin -- it makes no sense to medicate a short-term condition, be it a mood or a physical pain. > > Over-prescription, interesting. Reminds me of a similar case in a > different specialty of medicine. Yeas ago a friend of mine popped > something in her back in her factory job at Kodak. Next day, she > went to > the doctor on the job site. He gave her painkillers, and she was on > free > Kodak painkillers for the next 10 years as the pain and her > immobility got > worse and worse. By the time she looked at different avenues, her > spine > was almost fused into permanent mis-aligment. She finally went for > spinal > surgery; Kodak was court-ordered to pay for that, and also award her > a permanent disability allowance. > Yes, and if there *is* an underlying psychological or (dare I say) spiritual malaise rather than a simple shortfall in seratonin levels, then inappropriate SSRI treatment can prevent finding and dealing with the real source of the problem. > --Greg > > At 08:53 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > > > >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:35:13 -0400 Greg Goode <goode > writes: > >> SSRI? > > > >Selective Seratonin Reuptake > >Inhibitor, e.g. Prozac and > >dozens of newer anti- > >depressant drugs. At this > >point internists, GPs, and > >ob/gyns are the major > >prescribers, not shrinks, > >and that's apparently > >resulting in a lot of > >mistaken diagnosis of > >ordinary "blues" as clinical > >depression worth of the > >risks of drug therapy. > >> > >> At 07:14 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Overprescription of SSRIs is > >> >mostly a problem among non- > >> >specialists -- psychiatrists > >> >tend to look into other ways > >> >of dealing with depression > >> >first, but even they know > >> >that talk therapy has been > >> >very ineffective as a > >> >treatment. > > > > > >http://come.to/realization > >http://www.atman.net/realization > >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > ________ > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It > is > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of > the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is > always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know > the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee > relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from > within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 I was diagnosed with severe depression 10 years ago. I was put on Xanax. I got addicted to it. I stopped taking it.....cold turkey...tough. I was told to go on Prozac....I refused. I have had some tremendous lows and some major pain in my body.........yet, I survived...and stronger...most of the time...:-)) Something created the desire in me to not take the prescription drugs, I am glad I did....because of this decision....I have learned to feel, not just think that I am feeling....not easy....but well worth the trip. Peace, Michael Bruce Morgen wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:06:51 -0400 Greg Goode <goode writes: > > Thanks Bruce-ji, > > > > How do they work with ordinary ups and downs, the blues, and with > > actual clinical depression? > > The mechanism is described in > the name -- they supposedly > prevent (inhibit) seratonin, > one of the major mood- > governing chemicals, from > being absorbed (reuptake). > Iow, they don't directly > alter mood, they keep a > natural substance that > strongly influences mood > from falling to low levels. > > The thing is, they probably > are effective in treating > "the blues," but as Alton > mentions such moods go away > on their own given some time > and really don't require > treatment any more than the > momentary pain of a pinched > finger requires aspirin -- > it makes no sense to medicate > a short-term condition, be it > a mood or a physical pain. > > > > Over-prescription, interesting. Reminds me of a similar case in a > > different specialty of medicine. Yeas ago a friend of mine popped > > something in her back in her factory job at Kodak. Next day, she > > went to > > the doctor on the job site. He gave her painkillers, and she was on > > > free > > Kodak painkillers for the next 10 years as the pain and her > > immobility got > > worse and worse. By the time she looked at different avenues, her > > spine > > was almost fused into permanent mis-aligment. She finally went for > > spinal > > surgery; Kodak was court-ordered to pay for that, and also award her > > > a permanent disability allowance. > > > Yes, and if there *is* an > underlying psychological or > (dare I say) spiritual > malaise rather than a simple > shortfall in seratonin > levels, then inappropriate > SSRI treatment can prevent > finding and dealing with the > real source of the problem. > > > --Greg > > > > At 08:53 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > > > > > >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:35:13 -0400 Greg Goode <goode > > writes: > > >> SSRI? > > > > > >Selective Seratonin Reuptake > > >Inhibitor, e.g. Prozac and > > >dozens of newer anti- > > >depressant drugs. At this > > >point internists, GPs, and > > >ob/gyns are the major > > >prescribers, not shrinks, > > >and that's apparently > > >resulting in a lot of > > >mistaken diagnosis of > > >ordinary "blues" as clinical > > >depression worth of the > > >risks of drug therapy. > > >> > > >> At 07:14 PM 6/25/01, Bruce Morgen wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> >Overprescription of SSRIs is > > >> >mostly a problem among non- > > >> >specialists -- psychiatrists > > >> >tend to look into other ways > > >> >of dealing with depression > > >> >first, but even they know > > >> >that talk therapy has been > > >> >very ineffective as a > > >> >treatment. > > > > > > > > >http://come.to/realization > > >http://www.atman.net/realization > > >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > > >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > > ________ > > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > > sights, > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside > > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than > > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It > > is > > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > > Finality > > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > > Self-Knowledge, > > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > > > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of > > the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is > > always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know > > the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee > > relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from > > within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Sponsor [Check out great fares at Orbitz!] > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Michael, Indightful! Thanks for sharing this, and I'm glad you took the tough step! Feeling vs thinking one is feeling... Can you say more about how thinking you were feeling was related to the medication? Is it that under the medication the feelings weren't available, but people are supposed ot have feelings, so you thought you had them? Thanks! --Greg At 04:39 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: >I was diagnosed with severe depression 10 years ago. > >I was put on Xanax. > >I got addicted to it. > >I stopped taking it.....cold turkey...tough. > >I was told to go on Prozac....I refused. > >I have had some tremendous lows and some major pain >in my body.........yet, I survived...and stronger...most of the >time...:-)) > >Something created the desire in me to not take the prescription drugs, >I am glad I did....because of this decision....I have learned to feel, >not just think that I am feeling....not easy....but well worth the trip. > >Peace, > >Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Hi Greg: Actually, the medication only helped to numb my senses when life started sending me situations which I didn't want to accept. The Xanax only made things worse since the lessons kept coming fast and furious...yet I was so numb from the head up that I was walking around with my head in my ass,,,so to speak..:-). I realize now that I went through 40 plus years of my life much like an actor on a stage. You say your part and I respond with my lines and actions. Funny thing is when I stopped playing my role...all the other actors in my life.....vanished....kaput. I now have "real" loving people in my life. Yes, we still have issues to deal with. We get angry...we get nervous, we have fear. But through it all we have grown to love all of who we are. My biggest challenge lately seems to come from within, mostly at night, it wakes me up, tight chest, churning stomach, thoughts playing havic with me when I am asleep,, I call them psychic attacks...negativity...opposite of love. My body has gone through a metamorphisis as well. I use to smoke three packs of cigarettes a day... gave them up cold turkey 4 years ago...not easy.. glad I did...yet this too contributed to my ability to feel more because the nicotine and tar was numbing the signal from my brain to my body. When I stopped, the brain went nuts and I felt I was insane,,in fact I was and may still be, :-), but hey who isn't? I continue to be faced with situations in life which upon retrospect are blessings in disguise designed to wake my ass up and stop pretending that I know what the hell will or should happen next, because I "know" now that I don't, my ego doesn't like this one damn bit and rears his ugly head from time to time, thankfully less and less......yet like I say...he, she, it...plays havic with me at night and when I am "relaxing". The more I see that these moments are just thoughts, the easier it is to deal with them. Thanks for asking Greg, Michael Greg Goode wrote: > Michael, > > Indightful! Thanks for sharing this, and I'm glad you took the tough > step! > Feeling vs thinking one is feeling... Can you say more about how > thinking > you were feeling was related to the medication? Is it that under the > medication the feelings weren't available, but people are supposed ot > have > feelings, so you thought you had them? > > Thanks! > > --Greg > > At 04:39 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: > >I was diagnosed with severe depression 10 years ago. > > > >I was put on Xanax. > > > >I got addicted to it. > > > >I stopped taking it.....cold turkey...tough. > > > >I was told to go on Prozac....I refused. > > > >I have had some tremendous lows and some major pain > >in my body.........yet, I survived...and stronger...most of the > >time...:-)) > > > >Something created the desire in me to not take the prescription > drugs, > >I am glad I did....because of this decision....I have learned to > feel, > >not just think that I am feeling....not easy....but well worth the > trip. > > > >Peace, > > > >Michael > > > Sponsor [Check out great fares at Orbitz!] > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Hi Michael, I admire your courage! It looks like a veil of separation dropped for you. No more insulation or bubble or automatic pilot, but right there in the fire and ice. I can see your strength in this. You are probably a help to the other "real" people in your life! :-) --Greg At 05:06 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: >Hi Greg: > >Actually, the medication only helped to numb my senses when >life started sending me situations which I didn't want to accept. >The Xanax only made things worse since the lessons kept coming >fast and furious...yet I was so numb from the head up that I was >walking around with my head in my ass,,,so to speak..:-). > >I realize now that I went through 40 plus years of my life >much like an actor on a stage. You say your part and I respond >with my lines and actions. Funny thing is when I stopped playing >my role...all the other actors in my life.....vanished....kaput. > >I now have "real" loving people in my life. >Yes, we still have issues to deal with. >We get angry...we get nervous, we have fear. >But through it all we have grown to love all of who we are. > >My biggest challenge lately seems to come from within, >mostly at night, it wakes me up, tight chest, churning stomach, >thoughts playing havic with me when I am asleep,, I call them >psychic attacks...negativity...opposite of love. > >My body has gone through a metamorphisis as well. >I use to smoke three packs of cigarettes a day... >gave them up cold turkey 4 years ago...not easy.. >glad I did...yet this too contributed to my ability to >feel more because the nicotine and tar was numbing >the signal from my brain to my body. When I stopped, >the brain went nuts and I felt I was insane,,in fact I was >and may still be, :-), but hey who isn't? > >I continue to be faced with situations in life which upon >retrospect are blessings in disguise designed to wake >my ass up and stop pretending that I know what the >hell will or should happen next, because I "know" now >that I don't, my ego doesn't like this one damn bit and >rears his ugly head from time to time, thankfully less and >less......yet like I say...he, she, it...plays havic with me at >night and when I am "relaxing". > >The more I see that these moments are just thoughts, >the easier it is to deal with them. > >Thanks for asking Greg, > >Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Greg: Thanks, but I didn't have courage, I was scared to death and still am. Yes, the veil of separation dropped, but what I saw was not always wonderful, in fact, I experienced just the opposite. It was there all the time but I was so blind that I didn't see it. Funny that say fire and ice because my wife is a Leo and I am a Scorpio and the two signs are like fire and ice... and this is so true..:-) What I remember from the experience of "my" life so far, is that most, if not all, of what I have worried about or feared has turned out to be pure imagination. When I think I have figured something out......life steps in to show me I havn't. How a Southern Baptist country boy from West Tennessee got interested in Advaita...........is beyond me...:-)). maybe it was because the Church of Christ folks didn't like what I had to say....HA HA Namaste Greg, Michael Greg Goode wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I admire your courage! It looks like a veil of separation dropped for > you. > No more insulation or bubble or automatic pilot, but right there in > the > fire and ice. I can see your strength in this. You are probably a > help to > the other "real" people in your life! :-) > > --Greg > > At 05:06 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: > >Hi Greg: > > > >Actually, the medication only helped to numb my senses when > >life started sending me situations which I didn't want to accept. > >The Xanax only made things worse since the lessons kept coming > >fast and furious...yet I was so numb from the head up that I was > >walking around with my head in my ass,,,so to speak..:-). > > > >I realize now that I went through 40 plus years of my life > >much like an actor on a stage. You say your part and I respond > >with my lines and actions. Funny thing is when I stopped playing > >my role...all the other actors in my life.....vanished....kaput. > > > >I now have "real" loving people in my life. > >Yes, we still have issues to deal with. > >We get angry...we get nervous, we have fear. > >But through it all we have grown to love all of who we are. > > > >My biggest challenge lately seems to come from within, > >mostly at night, it wakes me up, tight chest, churning stomach, > >thoughts playing havic with me when I am asleep,, I call them > >psychic attacks...negativity...opposite of love. > > > >My body has gone through a metamorphisis as well. > >I use to smoke three packs of cigarettes a day... > >gave them up cold turkey 4 years ago...not easy.. > >glad I did...yet this too contributed to my ability to > >feel more because the nicotine and tar was numbing > >the signal from my brain to my body. When I stopped, > >the brain went nuts and I felt I was insane,,in fact I was > >and may still be, :-), but hey who isn't? > > > >I continue to be faced with situations in life which upon > >retrospect are blessings in disguise designed to wake > >my ass up and stop pretending that I know what the > >hell will or should happen next, because I "know" now > >that I don't, my ego doesn't like this one damn bit and > >rears his ugly head from time to time, thankfully less and > >less......yet like I say...he, she, it...plays havic with me at > >night and when I am "relaxing". > > > >The more I see that these moments are just thoughts, > >the easier it is to deal with them. > > > >Thanks for asking Greg, > > > >Michael > > > Sponsor [Check out great fares at Orbitz!] > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Ha! Church of Christ? Lordy, Lordy! Former Church of God in Christ born-again pentacostal here myself! Love, --Greg At 06:49 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: >Greg: > >Thanks, but I didn't have courage, >I was scared to death and still am. > >Yes, the veil of separation dropped, >but what I saw was not always wonderful, >in fact, I experienced just the opposite. >It was there all the time but I was so blind >that I didn't see it. > >Funny that say fire and ice because my >wife is a Leo and I am a Scorpio and >the two signs are like fire and ice... >and this is so true..:-) > >What I remember from the experience of >"my" life so far, is that most, if not all, >of what I have worried about or feared >has turned out to be pure imagination. >When I think I have figured something >out......life steps in to show me I havn't. > >How a Southern Baptist country boy >from West Tennessee got interested in >Advaita...........is beyond me...:-)). >maybe it was because the Church of Christ >folks didn't like what I had to say....HA HA > >Namaste Greg, > >Michael > >Greg Goode wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> I admire your courage! It looks like a veil of separation dropped for >> you. >> No more insulation or bubble or automatic pilot, but right there in >> the >> fire and ice. I can see your strength in this. You are probably a >> help to >> the other "real" people in your life! :-) >> >> --Greg >> >> At 05:06 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: >> >Hi Greg: >> > >> >Actually, the medication only helped to numb my senses when >> >life started sending me situations which I didn't want to accept. >> >The Xanax only made things worse since the lessons kept coming >> >fast and furious...yet I was so numb from the head up that I was >> >walking around with my head in my ass,,,so to speak..:-). >> > >> >I realize now that I went through 40 plus years of my life >> >much like an actor on a stage. You say your part and I respond >> >with my lines and actions. Funny thing is when I stopped playing >> >my role...all the other actors in my life.....vanished....kaput. >> > >> >I now have "real" loving people in my life. >> >Yes, we still have issues to deal with. >> >We get angry...we get nervous, we have fear. >> >But through it all we have grown to love all of who we are. >> > >> >My biggest challenge lately seems to come from within, >> >mostly at night, it wakes me up, tight chest, churning stomach, >> >thoughts playing havic with me when I am asleep,, I call them >> >psychic attacks...negativity...opposite of love. >> > >> >My body has gone through a metamorphisis as well. >> >I use to smoke three packs of cigarettes a day... >> >gave them up cold turkey 4 years ago...not easy.. >> >glad I did...yet this too contributed to my ability to >> >feel more because the nicotine and tar was numbing >> >the signal from my brain to my body. When I stopped, >> >the brain went nuts and I felt I was insane,,in fact I was >> >and may still be, :-), but hey who isn't? >> > >> >I continue to be faced with situations in life which upon >> >retrospect are blessings in disguise designed to wake >> >my ass up and stop pretending that I know what the >> >hell will or should happen next, because I "know" now >> >that I don't, my ego doesn't like this one damn bit and >> >rears his ugly head from time to time, thankfully less and >> >less......yet like I say...he, she, it...plays havic with me at >> >night and when I am "relaxing". >> > >> >The more I see that these moments are just thoughts, >> >the easier it is to deal with them. >> > >> >Thanks for asking Greg, >> > >> >Michael >> >> >> Sponsor > [Check out great fares at Orbitz!] > >> >> /join >> >> >> >> >> >> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and >> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not >> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the >> nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always >> Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart >> to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the >> Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It >> Self. Welcome all to a. >> >> >> >> > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Yeah Greg: I stupidly got a Church of Christ internet list. They all told me I was going to burn in hell because I comitted adultry. I said what about repentance and God's love and they said, not for adultry and proceeded to point out the letter of the law as spoken by Paul in the New Testament. This brought much pain into my life and then and there I decided that the God of my childhood fantacies was not the God I wanted to believe in and I became a miserable seeker and ended up on the nonduality lists. I have had some suffering moments as a result of posts here too but the difference is that these are from my own making......people here are very nonjudgmental for the most part. Namaste, Michael Greg Goode wrote: > Ha! Church of Christ? Lordy, Lordy! Former Church of God in Christ > born-again pentacostal here myself! > > Love, > > --Greg > > At 06:49 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: > >Greg: > > > >Thanks, but I didn't have courage, > >I was scared to death and still am. > > > >Yes, the veil of separation dropped, > >but what I saw was not always wonderful, > >in fact, I experienced just the opposite. > >It was there all the time but I was so blind > >that I didn't see it. > > > >Funny that say fire and ice because my > >wife is a Leo and I am a Scorpio and > >the two signs are like fire and ice... > >and this is so true..:-) > > > >What I remember from the experience of > >"my" life so far, is that most, if not all, > >of what I have worried about or feared > >has turned out to be pure imagination. > >When I think I have figured something > >out......life steps in to show me I havn't. > > > >How a Southern Baptist country boy > >from West Tennessee got interested in > >Advaita...........is beyond me...:-)). > >maybe it was because the Church of Christ > >folks didn't like what I had to say....HA HA > > > >Namaste Greg, > > > >Michael > > > >Greg Goode wrote: > > > >> Hi Michael, > >> > >> I admire your courage! It looks like a veil of separation dropped > for > >> you. > >> No more insulation or bubble or automatic pilot, but right there in > > >> the > >> fire and ice. I can see your strength in this. You are probably a > > >> help to > >> the other "real" people in your life! :-) > >> > >> --Greg > >> > >> At 05:06 PM 6/25/01 -0500, Michael wrote: > >> >Hi Greg: > >> > > >> >Actually, the medication only helped to numb my senses when > >> >life started sending me situations which I didn't want to accept. > >> >The Xanax only made things worse since the lessons kept coming > >> >fast and furious...yet I was so numb from the head up that I was > >> >walking around with my head in my ass,,,so to speak..:-). > >> > > >> >I realize now that I went through 40 plus years of my life > >> >much like an actor on a stage. You say your part and I respond > >> >with my lines and actions. Funny thing is when I stopped playing > >> >my role...all the other actors in my life.....vanished....kaput. > >> > > >> >I now have "real" loving people in my life. > >> >Yes, we still have issues to deal with. > >> >We get angry...we get nervous, we have fear. > >> >But through it all we have grown to love all of who we are. > >> > > >> >My biggest challenge lately seems to come from within, > >> >mostly at night, it wakes me up, tight chest, churning stomach, > >> >thoughts playing havic with me when I am asleep,, I call them > >> >psychic attacks...negativity...opposite of love. > >> > > >> >My body has gone through a metamorphisis as well. > >> >I use to smoke three packs of cigarettes a day... > >> >gave them up cold turkey 4 years ago...not easy.. > >> >glad I did...yet this too contributed to my ability to > >> >feel more because the nicotine and tar was numbing > >> >the signal from my brain to my body. When I stopped, > >> >the brain went nuts and I felt I was insane,,in fact I was > >> >and may still be, :-), but hey who isn't? > >> > > >> >I continue to be faced with situations in life which upon > >> >retrospect are blessings in disguise designed to wake > >> >my ass up and stop pretending that I know what the > >> >hell will or should happen next, because I "know" now > >> >that I don't, my ego doesn't like this one damn bit and > >> >rears his ugly head from time to time, thankfully less and > >> >less......yet like I say...he, she, it...plays havic with me at > >> >night and when I am "relaxing". > >> > > >> >The more I see that these moments are just thoughts, > >> >the easier it is to deal with them. > >> > > >> >Thanks for asking Greg, > >> > > >> >Michael > >> > >> > >> Sponsor > > [Check out great fares at Orbitz!] > > > >> > >> /join > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, > >> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > > >> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > > >> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of > the > >> nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > >> Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the > Heart > >> to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > > >> Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > >> Self. Welcome all to a. > >> > >> > >> > >> Terms of > Service. > > > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different > than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is > > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor [Check out great fares at Orbitz!] > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. 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