Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: > I have seen too much unreasonable suffering... So have i, Wim -- far, far too much. In/as 'myself' and 'others'. The only real 'hope' i see is in transcendence of the 'human condition', which intrinsically divides and separates. It is the only possibility of a 'permanent cure' for suffering -- anything else is like putting bandages on an already mortal wound. Seen here, the 'difficulty' is that as humans, we have become institutionalized to suffering... in many cases, it has become our 'comfort zone'. > Love, Wim Peace and Happiness, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 On 6/26/01 at 9:59 AM Omkara wrote: º, "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphere@h...> wrote: º º> I have seen too much unreasonable suffering... º ºSo have i, Wim -- far, far too much. In/as 'myself' and 'others'. One part of 'the sad story' is that 'mere' pain can evolve to suffering as a result of 'defective' upbringing (loving, caring, have faith). Hence the roots of suffering are buried very deeply... º ºThe only real 'hope' i see is in transcendence of the 'human ºcondition', which intrinsically divides and separates. It is the ºonly possibility of a 'permanent cure' for suffering -- anything else ºis like putting bandages on an already mortal wound. An other part of 'the sad story' is that this transcendence would be 'automatic' without such a 'defective' upbringing. Once a member of 'suffering society', behavior becomes escapist, determined by the urge to escape from even 'minor' pain, no matter if that can be reasoned out to be unavoidable. Thus, the 'eternal seeker' is born, with an avoidance attitude that will prevent the realization of what otherwise would have been unavoidable. That is a drama beyond compare... º ºSeen here, the 'difficulty' is that as humans, we have become ºinstitutionalized to suffering... in many cases, it has become ºour 'comfort zone'. Yes, a kind of 'normality' with a 'feel good' factor in the midst of misery... Even here, in holiday paradise, the potential for suffering radiates from the faces... Love, Jan º º> Love, Wim º ºPeace and Happiness, º ºTim º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Yes, Yes, Yes, No, No, No, My dear Tim, Yes, keep the hope, keep the faith... but no, we do not have to *transcend* the Human Condition... The Human Condition" which is being and living the human/divine miracle in this wonderful world, is OK... very OK. We have to separate the conditional from the condition: the "if... then", from the "this is..." and we will be all right again and re-cognize who we are..., that we are... We have to move away from the world of illusion which is treated as more real than the world of reality which in unconditional love, truth, life. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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