Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Thanks Ramana and Nisargadatta for reiterating that we are the SELF. So if that is good enought for you, then enjoy your I THOUGHTS and the mind chasing pleaures and avoiding pain. Go ahead and delude yourself. Yes pigs are pink but not when they are covered with SHIT. The mind is corrupted like a faulty program. How is got that way, nobody can say for sure. So, the sages say it arose spontaneosly. Why did Ramana keep purifying his mind in the cave for years after he had the "experience". Answer because his mind was still impure. I know that it is not PC to say we have to control our minds, but that is how I see it. To put your attention on you attention, between the thoughts takes a supremely powerful mind. The mind is a muscle and can get stronger with practice, just as 90 year olds can get their muscles stronger by lifting weights. You see the picture or Nisargadda. His mind program is stable on his attention. He does not have to make any effort or hardly any effort to abide in the SELF. Just like playing scales on the piano. You first make effort to tuck you thumb and after much training it does it automatically. Just because you are able to keep you attention of you sense of conscious presence does not grant you transformation from I THOUHT personhood. You have to be ripe and the Moksha door must somehow open. You also have to be able to experience tremendous pain to account for many lifetimes of past impure deeds. So UG you got your transformation and lots of pain too. You say that we wont want it but I do. I only hope that I will be able to take the pain when it comes. Yes Ramana, when you said " I CAN GIVE IT BUT CAN YOU TAKE IT" I know what you meant. Aloha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Where do people come up with stuff like this... <shaking head in bafflement>... The past (the known) has an incredible persistence... we want to predict "what it's going to be like if we become Realized"... in Ramana's words, it is ridiculous! And how often does anything turn out the way we predict it will even with "regular events" and happenings in everyday life? Baffled, Omkara > I know that it is not PC to say we have to control our minds, but > that is how I see it. To put your attention on you attention, > between the thoughts takes a supremely powerful mind. The mind is a > muscle... > You also have to be able to experience tremendous pain to account > for many lifetimes of past impure deeds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Dear Baffled: Now you have shown you card of enlightenment. Can you give it? If you can I want it. My sources say tranformation has to come on a cellular level. If you are dissatified with your Bafflement, how about investigating it and become free of it. Thanks in retreat. Tomorrow I dont go online until I get 6 hours of bafflement. Love, Alton , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Where do people come up with stuff like this... <shaking head in > bafflement>... > > The past (the known) has an incredible persistence... we want to > predict "what it's going to be like if we become Realized"... in > Ramana's words, it is ridiculous! > > And how often does anything turn out the way we predict it will even > with "regular events" and happenings in everyday life? > > Baffled, > > Omkara > > > I know that it is not PC to say we have to control our minds, but > > that is how I see it. To put your attention on you attention, > > between the thoughts takes a supremely powerful mind. The mind is a > > muscle... > > You also have to be able to experience tremendous pain to account > > for many lifetimes of past impure deeds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 , "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote: > Dear Baffled: > Now you have shown you card of enlightenment. Can you give it? > If you can I want it. > My sources say tranformation has to come on a cellular level. The only source is the Satguru. Everything else you may have heard, you can go ahead and throw out the window as false... and i mean every word. Kill the Buddha (metaphorically). Find the Satguru (Beingness, I Am ness) and remain there. You have to drop *all* beliefs and rest as what you are, Here and Now. i can give 'pointers' to it, but i submit that you do not want 'enlightenment', you want an imagined version of it, what your mind imagines it to be. That can neither be given nor 'taken', since it's entirely imaginary, "in your head" and nowhere else. > If you are dissatified with your Bafflement, how about > investigating it and become free of it. i am dissatisfied with nothing... all is 'as it should be'. It never fails to amaze however, how people predict ahead of time "what it will be like." The only thing for *certain* is that it will be absolutely *nothing* like what you imagine! Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Omkara wrote: The only thing for *certain* is that it will be absolutely *nothing* like what you imagine! Namaste, Omkara Well It... could be something like you imagine, but then you might left with " You gotta be kidding! thats all there is!" and then go home and mow the lawn. Mace But then again, maybe, just maybe, that wasn't it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Dear Omkara: Did not our Guru say "As you imagine it so it happens" At least I am not imagining staying in the grave til Nirargadatta comes back to get me. Anyway during the next few days I will tell of my impending suicide. There will be no body. I have it down. Scorpio energy tells the tale. Loving you loving baffle. Alton , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > , "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote: > > > Dear Baffled: > > Now you have shown you card of enlightenment. Can you give it? > > If you can I want it. > > My sources say tranformation has to come on a cellular level. > > The only source is the Satguru. Everything else you may have heard, > you can go ahead and throw out the window as false... and i mean > every word. Kill the Buddha (metaphorically). Find the Satguru > (Beingness, I Am ness) and remain there. You have to drop *all* > beliefs and rest as what you are, Here and Now. > > i can give 'pointers' to it, but i submit that you do not > want 'enlightenment', you want an imagined version of it, what your > mind imagines it to be. That can neither be given nor 'taken', since > it's entirely imaginary, "in your head" and nowhere else. > > > If you are dissatified with your Bafflement, how about > > investigating it and become free of it. > > i am dissatisfied with nothing... all is 'as it should be'. It never > fails to amaze however, how people predict ahead of time "what it > will be like." The only thing for *certain* is that it will be > absolutely *nothing* like what you imagine! > > Namaste, > > Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 On 6/28/01 at 2:25 AM COMO KASHA wrote: ºDear Omkara: ºDid not our Guru say "As you imagine it so it happens" At least I am ºnot imagining staying in the grave til Nirargadatta comes back to get ºme. Anyway during the next few days I will tell of my impending ºsuicide. There will be no body. I have it down. Scorpio energy tells ºthe tale. º ºLoving you loving baffle. ºAlton kill the body - is that what you feel? the body is insentient like stone the feeling entity, that is not real feelings impure or pure on earth a killer that's for sure so let them die before they kill before they cause a dread disease as unmet feelings surely will let all those feelings die instead and no one left for tears to shed Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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