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Thanks Ramana and Nisargadatta for reiterating that we are the SELF.

So if that is good enought for you, then enjoy your I THOUGHTS and

the mind chasing pleaures and avoiding pain. Go ahead and delude

yourself. Yes pigs are pink but not when they are covered with SHIT.

 

The mind is corrupted like a faulty program. How is got that way,

nobody can say for sure. So, the sages say it arose spontaneosly.

 

Why did Ramana keep purifying his mind in the cave for years after he

had the "experience". Answer because his mind was still impure.

 

I know that it is not PC to say we have to control our minds, but

that is how I see it. To put your attention on you attention, between

the thoughts takes a supremely powerful mind. The mind is a muscle

and can get stronger with practice, just as 90 year olds can get

their muscles stronger by lifting weights.

 

You see the picture or Nisargadda. His mind program is stable on his

attention. He does not have to make any effort or hardly any effort

to abide in the SELF.

Just like playing scales on the piano. You first make effort to tuck

you thumb and after much training it does it automatically.

 

Just because you are able to keep you attention of you sense of

conscious presence does not grant you transformation from I THOUHT

personhood. You have to be ripe and the Moksha door must somehow open.

You also have to be able to experience tremendous pain to account for

many lifetimes of past impure deeds. So UG you got your

transformation and lots of pain too. You say that we wont want it but

I do. I only hope that I will be able to take the pain when it comes.

 

Yes Ramana, when you said " I CAN GIVE IT BUT CAN YOU TAKE IT"

I know what you meant.

 

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Where do people come up with stuff like this... <shaking head in

bafflement>...

 

The past (the known) has an incredible persistence... we want to

predict "what it's going to be like if we become Realized"... in

Ramana's words, it is ridiculous!

 

And how often does anything turn out the way we predict it will even

with "regular events" and happenings in everyday life?

 

Baffled,

 

Omkara

> I know that it is not PC to say we have to control our minds, but

> that is how I see it. To put your attention on you attention,

> between the thoughts takes a supremely powerful mind. The mind is a

> muscle...

> You also have to be able to experience tremendous pain to account

> for many lifetimes of past impure deeds...

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Dear Baffled:

Now you have shown you card of enlightenment. Can you give it?

If you can I want it.

My sources say tranformation has to come on a cellular level.

 

If you are dissatified with your Bafflement, how about investigating

it and become free of it.

Thanks in retreat. Tomorrow I dont go online until I get 6 hours of

bafflement.

 

Love,

Alton

 

, "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote:

>

> Where do people come up with stuff like this... <shaking head in

> bafflement>...

>

> The past (the known) has an incredible persistence... we want to

> predict "what it's going to be like if we become Realized"... in

> Ramana's words, it is ridiculous!

>

> And how often does anything turn out the way we predict it will

even

> with "regular events" and happenings in everyday life?

>

> Baffled,

>

> Omkara

>

> > I know that it is not PC to say we have to control our minds, but

> > that is how I see it. To put your attention on you attention,

> > between the thoughts takes a supremely powerful mind. The mind is

a

> > muscle...

> > You also have to be able to experience tremendous pain to account

> > for many lifetimes of past impure deeds...

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, "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation> wrote:

> Dear Baffled:

> Now you have shown you card of enlightenment. Can you give it?

> If you can I want it.

> My sources say tranformation has to come on a cellular level.

 

The only source is the Satguru. Everything else you may have heard,

you can go ahead and throw out the window as false... and i mean

every word. Kill the Buddha (metaphorically). Find the Satguru

(Beingness, I Am ness) and remain there. You have to drop *all*

beliefs and rest as what you are, Here and Now.

 

i can give 'pointers' to it, but i submit that you do not

want 'enlightenment', you want an imagined version of it, what your

mind imagines it to be. That can neither be given nor 'taken', since

it's entirely imaginary, "in your head" and nowhere else.

> If you are dissatified with your Bafflement, how about

> investigating it and become free of it.

 

i am dissatisfied with nothing... all is 'as it should be'. It never

fails to amaze however, how people predict ahead of time "what it

will be like." The only thing for *certain* is that it will be

absolutely *nothing* like what you imagine!

 

Namaste,

 

Omkara

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Omkara wrote: The only thing for *certain* is that it will

be

absolutely *nothing* like what you imagine!

Namaste,

Omkara

Well It... could be something like you imagine,

but then you might left with

" You gotta be kidding! thats all there is!"

and then go home and mow the lawn.

Mace

But then again, maybe, just maybe,

that wasn't it at all.

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Dear Omkara:

Did not our Guru say "As you imagine it so it happens" At least I am

not imagining staying in the grave til Nirargadatta comes back to get

me. Anyway during the next few days I will tell of my impending

suicide. There will be no body. I have it down. Scorpio energy tells

the tale.

 

Loving you loving baffle.

Alton

 

 

 

, "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote:

> , "COMO KASHA" <lostnfoundation>

wrote:

>

> > Dear Baffled:

> > Now you have shown you card of enlightenment. Can you give it?

> > If you can I want it.

> > My sources say tranformation has to come on a cellular level.

>

> The only source is the Satguru. Everything else you may have

heard,

> you can go ahead and throw out the window as false... and i mean

> every word. Kill the Buddha (metaphorically). Find the Satguru

> (Beingness, I Am ness) and remain there. You have to drop *all*

> beliefs and rest as what you are, Here and Now.

>

> i can give 'pointers' to it, but i submit that you do not

> want 'enlightenment', you want an imagined version of it, what your

> mind imagines it to be. That can neither be given nor 'taken',

since

> it's entirely imaginary, "in your head" and nowhere else.

>

> > If you are dissatified with your Bafflement, how about

> > investigating it and become free of it.

>

> i am dissatisfied with nothing... all is 'as it should be'. It

never

> fails to amaze however, how people predict ahead of time "what it

> will be like." The only thing for *certain* is that it will be

> absolutely *nothing* like what you imagine!

>

> Namaste,

>

> Omkara

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On 6/28/01 at 2:25 AM COMO KASHA wrote:

 

ºDear Omkara:

ºDid not our Guru say "As you imagine it so it happens" At least I am

ºnot imagining staying in the grave til Nirargadatta comes back to get

ºme. Anyway during the next few days I will tell of my impending

ºsuicide. There will be no body. I have it down. Scorpio energy tells

ºthe tale.

º

ºLoving you loving baffle.

ºAlton

 

kill the body - is that what you feel?

the body is insentient like stone

the feeling entity, that is not real

 

feelings impure or pure

on earth a killer that's for sure

so let them die before they kill

before they cause a dread disease

as unmet feelings surely will

let all those feelings die instead

and no one left for tears to shed

 

Jan

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