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Namaste All,

 

Talking about the non existence of the world or not even giving some

validity to it is counterproductive to some people.

 

Some verbal non dualists, are like that because they wish an easy way

entailing no action. The world is real enough whilst one is in it, and

we have to pay our bus fares. It my be an impermanent projected

appearance, but unless one is realised it is very real.

 

IMO opinion Ramana has a successful way, but if one doesn't like, 'Who

am I?', then just observe the doing.

Walking is happening etc. Eventually one will get to a stage where

there is some vibration or sensation before a thought, action. We then

attribute our desire to this feeling. Observing this will give one the

knowledge that it is mostly happening anyway. Be an observer, and

carry out a purification regime or sadhana, to slow down the growth of

samskaras or sankharas.

 

Being non dualistic without purification gets one nowhere.

 

Meditation isn't a matter of time, hours of meditation may be less

productive than two minutes. Especially if it is not really meditation

but something else with experiences in it.

 

The simplest meditation concentration technique is to observe the

breath around the nostrils, then throughout the body, after the

feeling of being breathed arises.

 

Vndism is just intellectual creation of non dual thought samskaras

that's all. The less said the better.....ONS....Tony.

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On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 16:45:38 -0000 "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery

writes:

> Namaste All,

>

> Talking about the non existence of the world or not even giving some

> validity to it is counterproductive to some people.

 

Undoubtedly. There is of

course very little anyone

can write or say that isn't

"counterproductive to some

people." One can avoid

doing such harm by neither

writing nor speaking.

>

> Some verbal non dualists, are like that because they wish an easy

> way entailing no action.

 

I'm sure that's true.

although since "verbal non

dualists" are your

invention you get to decide

who is one. Convenient!

> The world is real enough whilst one is in it, and

> we have to pay our bus fares.

 

True enough, but the divine

will decides the nature of

the "fares," not O'Cleary or some musty old

scripture.

> It my be an impermanent projected

> appearance, but unless one is realised it is very real.

 

It is what incarnate life

entails and it is no less

"real" than any other

perceptual mode.

>

> IMO opinion Ramana has a successful way,

 

Opinion noted, although I

don't know how one could

measure such success.

> but if one doesn't like,

> 'Who am I?', then just observe the doing.

 

Ah, good advice imo, simple!

> Walking is happening etc. Eventually one will get to a stage where

> there is some vibration or sensation before a thought, action. We

> then

> attribute our desire to this feeling. Observing this will give one

> the knowledge that it is mostly happening anyway. Be an observer,

 

Yup, a good "practice."

> and

> carry out a purification regime or sadhana, to slow down the growth

> of samskaras or sankharas.

 

Whatever rings your temple

chimes....

>

> Being non dualistic without purification gets one nowhere.

>

ROTFLMAO! Where are we to

go?

> Meditation isn't a matter of time, hours of meditation may be less

> productive than two minutes.

 

"Productive?" Is this a

pep rally at a tire factory?

If you are saying there is

no direct correlation

between time spent in

meditative practice and the

actual meditative state,

that is quite true, thanks!

> Especially if it is not really

> meditation but something else with experiences in it.

 

Well, like *duh*!

>

> The simplest meditation concentration technique is to observe the

> breath around the nostrils,

 

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr.

O'Clearly has implied that he

has tried every available

"meditation concentration

technique" there is, and I'm

grateful that he has chosen

to share his knowledge!

> then throughout the body, after the

> feeling of being breathed arises.

 

Yes, this "mid-point" can be

very instructive.

>

> Vndism is just intellectual creation of non dual thought samskaras

> that's all.

 

Definition of invention

noted, thanks.

> The less said the better.....ONS....Tony.

>

What truly excellent advice

you've just given yourself --

bravo, bravissimo!!! :-)

 

 

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