Forty Verses - Verse 16

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Dear Vicki et al.

 

Still thanking you very much for your quotes... but...

 

This verse 16 is a little too much out of context, I'm afraid...

 

The implications of an incomplete understanding of this verse by itself

will continue the very hurt humans are suffering from and will help the

postponement of the resolution of Ramana's 'subjective self inquiry'.

 

Incomplete understanding of parts of this verse will actually help keep

a person away from first and foremost considering the question "Who am

I?"

(-: Actually, but don't tell anyone, Vicki, posing THAT question even,

with grave seriousness will keep a person away from resolution. :-)

 

But to just stay serious about the quote and to make the 'problematique'

in the quote even more clear, let me lift out the sentence about bodies,

time and space..., as I know that all non realized people capitalize on

the body / space / time issue as problematic. (This may have been Arthur

Osborne's problem, it cannot have been Ramana's.)

> If we are bodies,

> we are involved

> in time and space,

> but are we ?

 

In the first place the sentence starts off with "If..."

For realized beings "if..." has no meaning whatsoever, it is totally

superfluous. Ramana cannot have made that statement the way it is

recorded here. That is simply impossible...

To-be-rid-of-the-conceptual IS realization.

That simple it is.

It is that simple.

 

For realized beings to make an 'if' statement in that serious a manner

is unheard of..., Ramana cannot have stated it this way.

 

This sentence treats the body as though it is problematic, it questions

the body!

The sentence questions time and space, as though space and time are a

problem!

Realized beings have no problem with anything..., they just don't

question, they cannot even question... period.

 

And, by the way, it is nothing special to be realized.

 

It is 'special' to think that one is 'not'.

It is special to think that one is "such-a-special-case who is not

allowed one's realization", that one cannot afford the acknowledgement

of one's realization, that one somehow deserves to be a special case

with special circumstances of special disadvantages and deficiencies to

hold on to... to not be allowed to be whole or to be acknowledged to

just be.

Under duress, one has let oneself be convinced that one is deficient

enough not to be realized...

 

There is no need to be special...

There is no need to be so special as to deserve or need special

attention, care, sympathy, pity or even empathy.

 

Not being realized comes from the 'idée fixe' that one has a special

reason to not be whole. Under duress, someone has convinced you that you

cannot be realized because you somehow were deemed to be inadequate.

 

The realized being does not question any issue at all, the real being

does not question, the real being admonishes others to also stop

questioning...nobody has to even consider questioning themselves.

 

When "Who am I?" has resolved itself... 'There ain't notrouble-noproblem

nomore."

 

When the need for the questions about who I am, what I am, what this is,

what that is, what now is, what then was, what will be, what what is...

what anything is, when 'all that' is gone... 'all this' is

unquestionably so!

 

In Dutch: "Goed zo!"

 

Ask Mark Valentine to type that phonetically...

 

We only need to stop the quest, the questioning, the query, the

questions... stop that almost 'eternal' question... about who we are!

 

We are no question marks.

I am no '?'

 

Actually, come to think of it, the issue may not be 'I', it may well be

'we'.

And again... when the question about 'we' is resolved, we recognize that

we are 'all and only love', and not at all deficient in it .

 

So, move away from situations of questioning, questions,

questionability, querying...

Move away from environments that thrive on the assumption of ignorance,

shortage, indebtedness, deficiency...

 

The expression, "I wonder... ... ... ..."

is an affirmation of the miraculous,

not the start of a statement of doubt.

 

Love to all and especially to Vicki (a very special case :-))))

Wim.

> 16.

> Apart from us where is time and where is space ?

> If we are bodies , we are involved in time

> and space , but are we ?

> We are one and identical now , then , and

> forever , here , there , and everywhere.

> Therefore we , timeless and spaceless Being,

> alone are.

>

> Sri Ramana Maharshi

>

>

> from The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi

> edited by Arthur Osborne

> Forty Verses